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Zos pls make achievements account based not character based!
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magnusthorek✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not like there's already dozens of topics like this alreadyI am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.3 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.11 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.
Or you may be great with your easy mode 1 button heavy attack build magsorc or with your meta easy mode execute spam magblade but you may stink with a stamina toon, and so why your stamina toons should have flawless conqueror, x trifecta achievement, x trial hard mode completion and so.
So... no, no account-based achievements.
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Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.
Or you may be great with your easy mode 1 button heavy attack build magsorc or with your meta easy mode execute spam magblade but you may stink with a stamina toon, and so why your stamina toons should have flawless conqueror, x trifecta achievement, x trial hard mode completion and so.
So... no, no account-based achievements.
OR you can have Account based achievements and character based achievements17 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.
Or you may be great with your easy mode 1 button heavy attack build magsorc or with your meta easy mode execute spam magblade but you may stink with a stamina toon, and so why your stamina toons should have flawless conqueror, x trifecta achievement, x trial hard mode completion and so.
So... no, no account-based achievements.
That's... what I said, no?
But what does it have to do with farming crafting mats, fishing and questing? Achievements for those activities could be account-based.0 -
ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't care one way or another but why does it matter if a person gets an achieve on a stamDK or their magsorc? All that matters is that person was able to get the achievement. We can't logically argue because they didn't achieve it with that class/alt since anyone could just buy a combat carry to get any achievement and they do regularly. While the tedious achievements that don't typically require a lot of skill but do require a lot of time and effort have to be done manually step by step on every character.7 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AvengerDan wrote: »Title says it all.
Other games have it and it makes sense so why not ESO?
Other games are designed around account-wide achievements and they are therefore FAR MORE grindy than they are in ESO.
So if you would like an Overview page on character select that shows you all the achievements and which characters have got them, I'm all for that.
But being able to repeat individual achievements on different characters is important to a lot of people, myself included, and I would not like to lose that.Class-change token will solve the problem of reobtaining achivements.
I'm becoming a big fan of this idea, even if I wouldn't do it myself.
Though I want anyone who buys a class change token to be barred from ever posting "You nerfed X class to sell tokens" thread.The Moot Councillor2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.
Combat-related achievements? What? You're talking about stuff like Dungeon Healer? Those are calibrated from back before the champion point system, and before stat inflation hit. That's why you can get Trials Healer on your first pull in a normal trial as a DPS, it was calculated for an era when tanks had ~2000 health.
Or, are you talking about things like Flawless Conqueror? Which, yeah, okay, I could see that.
I mean, I could get behind an achievement system where you could see which characters had completed it, and which characters hadn't, but the actual achievements (and titles) were account wide. Even when we get into things like Flawless, respecs are cheap.5 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I say yes to account wide achievement. It's the player that earns the achievement and the argument about tank/heal/dps falls apart as you can just respec characters anyway. I could earn an achievement on a healer, then respec to a dps and BAM, I have the achievement on a dps that I earned on a healer. The argument is invalid.13 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I say yes to account wide achievement. It's the player that earns the achievement and the argument about tank/heal/dps falls apart as you can just respec characters anyway. I could earn an achievement on a healer, then respec to a dps and BAM, I have the achievement on a dps that I earned on a healer. The argument is invalid.
Are you prepared to have achievements expanded to require completion on each class, though? Because that's what other games have that have account-wide achievements/collections.The Moot Councillor1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I say yes to account wide achievement. It's the player that earns the achievement and the argument about tank/heal/dps falls apart as you can just respec characters anyway. I could earn an achievement on a healer, then respec to a dps and BAM, I have the achievement on a dps that I earned on a healer. The argument is invalid.
Are you prepared to have achievements expanded to require completion on each class, though? Because that's what other games have that have account-wide achievements/collections.
I can accept that, yes. It might actually be fun to earn certain combat related achievements on different classes.Edited by redspecter23 on February 16, 2021 6:52PM3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No thanks, I'd much rather have an auction house, a PvE instance of Cyrodiil and Imperial City, and a number of other flogged horse corpses - this one is bottom of my list.1 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes to both. The answer is simple. Attach character names to the links. Because lets be hoenst. This is about linking.1 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.
Combat-related achievements? What? You're talking about stuff like Dungeon Healer? Those are calibrated from back before the champion point system, and before stat inflation hit. That's why you can get Trials Healer on your first pull in a normal trial as a DPS, it was calculated for an era when tanks had ~2000 health.
Or, are you talking about things like Flawless Conqueror? Which, yeah, okay, I could see that.
I mean, I could get behind an achievement system where you could see which characters had completed it, and which characters hadn't, but the actual achievements (and titles) were account wide. Even when we get into things like Flawless, respecs are cheap.
PVE or PVP related things. Clears, things like "defeat without getting hit with something", player kills, BG achievements. Yep, ultimately most of those are farming too, but, y'know, if you got Grand Overlord by ganking in IC and then take your new Templar to heal in Cyro that progress wouldn't quite apply.
I must admit, I'm not exactly sure where to draw the line between "personal achievements", like trifecta clears, and "accumulating" ones, like the monster trophies.0 -
jle30303✭✭✭✭✭
✭At the moment, some of the most annoying achievements are about killing (dealing the death blow to) 100 of a given race... since the "any race any alliance" upgrade costs Crowns (aka Real Money), so most people don't bother with it, so there are very few options to actually kill players of the races of your OWN alliance. As a DC player, even though fairly bad at PVP, since the MYM event I've got a couple of dozen Dunmer, Altmer, Bosmer, Khajiit and Nords each on my stats... but only three Redguards, one Orc, five Bretons and four Argonians (well, what do you know... either Argonians are unkillable by people who aren't that good at PVP, or nobody wants to play an Argonian. The other three are the DC races, I must have hit those mostly in Battlegrounds which aren't alliance-specific.)
And two Imperials. Because who bothers to spend yet more real money to unlock the Imperial race these days?
Now, I could get an alliance change token (which = crowns, which = real money) to kill a few more Orcs, Redguards and Bretons... Or I could not bother.0 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AvengerDan wrote: »Title says it all.
Other games have it and it makes sense so why not ESO?
Agree.
ZOS could make a setting in Gameplay Options & rp players wouldn't have a reason to complain.3 -
Mix✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was actually having this debate with a guildmate the other day and they brought up a very good point. Personally, I like character based achievements, but as they pointed out there are achievements (notably some holiday ones) that reward a collectible that you can't get twice. I think that type should be account-wide.
I am a biased audience though. I play one main character and all the rest of mine are crafting writ mules.
I do love the dye rewards being account based
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Matchimus✭✭✭✭✭I used to think this but now I am playing alts, I like the little fuzzy feeling when they get an achievement notice.1
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was actually having this debate with a guildmate the other day and they brought up a very good point. Personally, I like character based achievements, but as they pointed out there are achievements (notably some holiday ones) that reward a collectible that you can't get twice. I think that type should be account-wide.
I am a biased audience though. I play one main character and all the rest of mine are crafting writ mules.
I do love the dye rewards being account based
You can't get the collectible twice, but one motivation for me to participate in subsequent years of the same event is that I can get the achievement on alts.
Otherwise, why bother?The Moot Councillor1 -
mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭Account wide achievement points would help those achievement hunters who also want those 12 person achievements but main a sorc, stamplar or stamdk something unwanted like that and really want 1 character to have the points.
However no titles.
Titles etc must be earned on the toon you wish to display them on.
Seems a fair compromise to me4 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will say what I say every time this comes up, which is quite often.
Leave character achievement tabs EXACTLY how they are. Add a separate account wide achievement tab that shows total progress on the account. Leave titles specifically to the character page.
That way, RPers that care about their individual characters achievements are set. People (like me) that care about total account progress, can see that as well. It also solves the issue of a level 5 Flawless Conqueror or Grand Overlord running around. Seems like a win win win to me.
To be candid, this would get me playing a lot more than I do know. I stopped hunting achievements by my third or forth toon. If we had a legitimate in game account wide page (not some wonky addon), I would probably start hunting achievements again.4 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Account wide achievement points would help those achievement hunters who also want those 12 person achievements but main a sorc, stamplar or stamdk something unwanted like that and really want 1 character to have the points.
However no titles.
Titles etc must be earned on the toon you wish to display them on.
Seems a fair compromise to me
Why titles tho? Very same achievements but in different instances award skins, mounts, personalities, pets etc, all of which can perfectly be flexed on all your toons right away. Tbh, I used to be of the opiinion that achievements must be earned separately on separate characters because your skill with one character/class/role is no real indication of your skill in a completely different setup but...it's kind of meaningless while you can already use your Fang Lair Challenger personality along with Scalecaller Peak skin while riding around on your Sunspire mount at level 3. Might as well be able to use the titles along with everything else at this point.3 -
Basaz✭✭AvengerDan wrote: »Title says it all.
Other games have it and it makes sense so why not ESO?
I prefer account wide unlocks, no matter titles, achievements, mounts etc etc etc. To me it's an old school (outdated) mechanic. Why ESO does this I believe is due to roleplay/lore. If they change it, great, if not, meh.2 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Account wide achievement points would help those achievement hunters who also want those 12 person achievements but main a sorc, stamplar or stamdk something unwanted like that and really want 1 character to have the points.
However no titles.
Titles etc must be earned on the toon you wish to display them on.
Seems a fair compromise to me
Why titles tho? Very same achievements but in different instances award skins, mounts, personalities, pets etc, all of which can perfectly be flexed on all your toons right away. Tbh, I used to be of the opiinion that achievements must be earned separately on separate characters because your skill with one character/class/role is no real indication of your skill in a completely different setup but...it's kind of meaningless while you can already use your Fang Lair Challenger personality along with Scalecaller Peak skin while riding around on your Sunspire mount at level 3. Might as well be able to use the titles along with everything else at this point.
I really wouldn't care about account wide titles. I think the best argument for not making them account wide is that it is what we have now, so it is the smallest disruption to the status quo if we are going to make a change from what we have now in terms of account wide achievements.
In other words, it will tick the least amount of people off. But you make a fair point. Nothing stops someone from putting their godslayer skin on all their toons. That said, I think most people understand that titles need to be earned by that character as it is now, so maybe no reason to change it. Leave titles as the character status symbol they are.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 16, 2021 9:35PM1
