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Do you think the game still needs ESO+?
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateeso+ is ONLY for craftbag
No, it's not. ESO+ includes everything below, which I find very much worth it.
Access to all DLC game packs
Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
Access to the Craft Bag
Double bank space
Bonuses to progression
Increased Furniture placement limits
Costume dyeing
Double Transmute Crystal capacity
Exclusive access to unique Crown Store dealsPCNA1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededSilverBride wrote: »eso+ is ONLY for craftbag
No, it's not. ESO+ includes everything below, which I find very much worth it.
Access to all DLC game packs
Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
Access to the Craft Bag
Double bank space
Bonuses to progression
Increased Furniture placement limits
Costume dyeing
Double Transmute Crystal capacity
Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals
A list which includes craft bags and it was clear he was intimating that most buy ESO+ for the craft bag, which imo is true. ESO+ for me is pretty much just the craft bag. I am WAY over the CP cap, I have bought every chapter and DLC so I have no need for ESO+ to give me access to those.
Yep, the main reason is craft bag.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateA list which includes craft bags and it was clear he was intimating that most buy ESO+ for the craft bag, which imo is true. ESO+ for me is pretty much just the craft bag. I am WAY over the CP cap, I have bought every chapter and DLC so I have no need for ESO+ to give me access to those.
Yep, the main reason is craft bag.
I am not yet at the CP cap and I haven't purchased every DLC, so those are very desirable to me, and many others I'm sure. What about the double bank space? You have no reason for that? Or the free crowns?
I think more ESO+ members feel benefit from most of the perks than those who don't.PCNA1 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I pay for the conveniences it gives. If I could get them from the base game then I wouldn't pay.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Matchimus✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededAbout the same as a bottle of reasonable wine. One lasts a night. One a month.1
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cyberjanet✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateESO+ is entirely the wrong name, and harks back to the pay to play days. It should really be called Crowns+ because you buy crowns on a regular basis and get a number of super ancillary rewards.Favourite NPC: Wine-For-All
Mostly PC-EU , with a lonely little guy on NA.0 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyUGotBenched91 wrote: »I don’t see anything in the OPs post that is being biased or trying to push an agenda. This forum is notorious for hijacking threads and jumping to conclusions. Simmer down and just bite and share your insight into your own opinion.
The OP edited the post after getting ALOT of feedback about the craft bag and the need for ESO+. Quickly the poll showed there is strong support for ESO+ to keep the craft bag and to not change.
More accurate to say you see nothing NOW after the OP thread starter was edited.
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@UGotBenched91
The edit was minor. Just the addition at the top and I rephrase the last line/questions so that the possible answers (yes or no) didn't contradict the poll and the title of the post. The last line still asks basically the same question as before the edit though. Before saying yes to the question at the bottom and saying no the the question in the title were the same answer to the same question written differently. Now its written so the answers match. Sorry if this explanation is confusing.
Also I don't read most of these comments when there's so much to read and only really see the two newest once and a while. The comments thus far nor the polls have changed the post that much. I edit my posts all the time but its almost always to fix grammatical errors or make what I'm trying to say more clear for those who seem confused or misunderstand my point.
To put it simply any perceived manipulation or backtracking is imagined.Edited by hexentb16_ESO on February 7, 2021 8:49PM0 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough money@Sgrug
Also I really don't care if people's opinions are different to my own. Not unless they're putting words in my mouth or using the devs as scapegoats.1 -
GrimTheReaper45✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateI think it should remain for its original purpose, access dlc without buying it. Maybe a few perks like bonus gold and leveling.
House cap, craft bag and outfit dying should not be locked behind it.2 -
renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI would much rather pay a subscription to support the game than force Zos into developing and adding even more predatory gambling mechanics in order to support the game.3 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyetchedpixels wrote: »I'd rather see the gambling go away than ESO+.
Honestly, me too. I'd like the crown crate stuff to all be available in an ingame catalog-like UI where we could purchase individual things instead of gambling our money and hoping we get the one thing we want and a bunch of stuff we don't.
But when I think from a purely money and profit perspective I think the subscription model makes much less money than the gambling. If I were a corpo and decided one needed to go it would be the ESO+. Then I'd make most of the ESO+ perks part of the base game so the players don't freak out about losing their craft bags and the other perks.Edited by hexentb16_ESO on February 7, 2021 9:17PM0 -
Misty✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.0 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededWould not surprise me if Crown crates get banned, its already happened in a few countries.0 -
Mastery404✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededWell, If it comes back to the game I do not mind throwing money at it every now and then.0
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Synthwavius✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateReally depends how many people buy DLCs and other crown stuff. There's quite a few people buying crowns for gold and that's profit as well.0 -
grkkll✭✭✭✭Clearly if.......
"most of the benefits of ESO+ were made available as part of the base game do you think ESO+ would be still necessary?“
then we wouldn't need ESO plus but it would be nice not to pay for it...... which means of course that it's here to stay0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.0 -
AlexanderDeLarge✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Nonsense. There's more than enough money to go around once you stop taking advantage of people using gambling for items with undisclosed odds. Personally, I'd gladly spend 4000 crowns for mounts in the apex tier and 5500-6000 for apex radiants.
If that's not good enough and they're truly "not making enough to run the game"... Shut it down because any business that requires exploiting people like that shouldn't exist. Fortunately, Microsoft will be in control of the monetization soon and I have a feeling that these elements will be removed in the not-too-distant future.1 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateI don't subscribe because I don't think the ESO+ benefits are worth it for me. So for me I don't think it's necessary. I couldn't possibly say whether ZOS needs that money to keep the game going because I don't have access to their financial reports.
But if I was given the choice between getting rid of ESO+ and making all the benefits part of the base game or getting rid of crown crates I'd choose to get rid of the crates. I don't like gambling and I refuse to gamble with real money, even within a video game. The result of crates being added to the game is that I spend a lot less buying crowns and miss a lot of items I'd like to have if I could simply buy them. That's far more annoying to me than shifting round where items are stored.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededAlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Nonsense. There's more than enough money to go around once you stop taking advantage of people using gambling for items with undisclosed odds. Personally, I'd gladly spend 4000 crowns for mounts in the apex tier and 5500-6000 for apex radiants.
If that's not good enough and they're truly "not making enough to run the game"... Shut it down because any business that requires exploiting people like that shouldn't exist. Fortunately, Microsoft will be in control of the monetization soon and I have a feeling that these elements will be removed in the not-too-distant future.
[snip] Truth is you have no idea and neither do I. Difference is I do know most businesses actually run WAY less profitable than the public assumes.
It is pretty reasonable to assume if ZoS had plenty of money from other game resources they would ditch loot boxes given the grief they get. That is actually how most businesses operate, they actually do try to match the customer’s desires to the product.
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:56PM3 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.
Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:57PM0 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.
Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
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The post you responded to includes an opinion, the poster said they (use of personal pronoun "I") were against them, not that the game didn't need them.
You asserted that without loot boxes we will pay a lot more. I am assuming that I don't have to point out that the use of the modal verb suggests expectation.
There is no sophistry at work in asking you on what you base this expectation.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:58PM0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.
Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
[snip]
The post you responded to includes an opinion, the poster said they (use of personal pronoun "I") were against them, not that the game didn't need them.
You asserted that without loot boxes we will pay a lot more. I am assuming that I don't have to point out that the use of the modal verb suggests expectation.
There is no sophistry at work in asking you on what you base this expectation.
I base my opinion on the fact ZoS uses them and as stated given the grief they receive I believe it unlikely as a business they would choose that model if there was a better choice to sustain the game service.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:58PM1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.
Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
[snip]
The post you responded to includes an opinion, the poster said they (use of personal pronoun "I") were against them, not that the game didn't need them.
You asserted that without loot boxes we will pay a lot more. I am assuming that I don't have to point out that the use of the modal verb suggests expectation.
There is no sophistry at work in asking you on what you base this expectation.
I base my opinion on the fact ZoS uses them and as stated given the grief they receive I believe it unlikely as a business they would choose that model if their was a better choice to sustain the game service.
I see. Thank you for outlining the basis for your conclusion.
I disagree with it fundamentally, and on all possible levels, but at least I understand where you are coming from.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 3:00PM0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think we all enjoy the massive expansions and smaller DLC's. We also enjoy regular bug fixes and maintenance. I very much doubt they could keep up the quality without eco+.
Just want to say, like many others I am totally against the loot boxes. Loot boxes are disgusting and this is one BIG black mark on the game.
Without loot boxes you will pay A LOT more to keep this game running.
Prove it.
No, really, I would love to be wrong about this. Show us that even the majority (i.e. 51%) of the money that ZOS is making off crown items and lootboxes is going directly into funding this game and developments to it, and I will reconsider my support for ESO+, and my opposition to the Crown Store (but not lootboxes) on the spot.
Because if that isn't the case, then I would really enjoy watching ZOS make the case for any price hike should lootboxes get banned.
Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
I will not take the bait of your sophistic argument challenging me to disprove your baseless assertion, it is you who needs to prove they do not need loot boxes
The post you responded to includes an opinion, the poster said they (use of personal pronoun "I") were against them, not that the game didn't need them.
You asserted that without loot boxes we will pay a lot more. I am assuming that I don't have to point out that the use of the modal verb suggests expectation.
There is no sophistry at work in asking you on what you base this expectation.
I base my opinion on the fact ZoS uses them and as stated given the grief they receive I believe it unlikely as a business they would choose that model if their was a better choice to sustain the game service.
I see. Thank you for outlining the basis for your conclusion.
I disagree with it fundamentally, and on all possible levels, but at least I understand where you are coming from.
Understood and thank you AND that folks is how you discuss a disagreement sensibly and still disagree in the end.
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AlexanderDeLarge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since it is posters like yourself saying they do not need loot boxes to maintain the game you should prove it. It is not my place to disprove your assertion. ZoS uses them so a reasonable person understanding business can conclude they need them for economic stability.
[snip]
Stop acting as if greed isn't a thing that exists in the world. Again, if they truly need to resort to exploitative monetization practices to remain profitable, shut the game down because it doesn't deserve to exist. Fortunately for everyone who likes the game, the gambling boxes are unnecessary as you'll see in the not-too-distant future when they're banned in multiple major markets by law.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 3:00PM2
