Do you think the game still needs ESO+?
hexentb16_ESO
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Edit: since some people love to insert their own narratives into other people's posts for whatever reasons I need to put this in as an edit. I am OKAY with both ESO+ and lootboxes being in the game as they are. I purchase both and am happy to continue doing so. The point of this post is to satisfy my curiosity on whether or not my fellow players think ESO+ is still necessary.
First, lets acknowledge the elephant in the room. ZOS will likely never remove ESO+ from the game. Even if they don't need it because of the ingame gambling, profit is profit.
If If most of the benefits of ESO+ were made available as part of the base game do you think ESO+ would be still necessary?
Edited this last line so it doesn't contradict the poll options. I did make sure to add more then a simple yes and no in the poll options.
Removed mod's edit notes. They were incorrect and the mod misread or misinterpreted this post. Making my post more clear and not contradictory my poll asnwers is not baiting.
Edited by hexentb16_ESO on February 8, 2021 5:50PM First, lets acknowledge the elephant in the room. ZOS will likely never remove ESO+ from the game. Even if they don't need it because of the ingame gambling, profit is profit.
If If most of the benefits of ESO+ were made available as part of the base game do you think ESO+ would be still necessary?
Edited this last line so it doesn't contradict the poll options. I did make sure to add more then a simple yes and no in the poll options.
Removed mod's edit notes. They were incorrect and the mod misread or misinterpreted this post. Making my post more clear and not contradictory my poll asnwers is not baiting.
Do you think the game still needs ESO+? 168 votes
Yes-ESO+ is still needed
69%
116 votes
No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough money
17%
29 votes
Other-please elaborate
13%
23 votes
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Recapitated✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateI have no idea and I don't know on what basis anyone would vote either way.1
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hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyRecapitated wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
I buy crown crates frequently.
The question is whether or not they're enough to sustain the game. I think so because gambling in video games generates obscene profits for game companies. So much in fact its often unnecessary to have more than the gambling as a source of money.
Edit. To be clear, I am okay with the lootboxes being in the game. I just don't think its neccessary to have both lootboxes and a subscription model that adds 100% neccessary game features, in the game at the same time.Edited by hexentb16_ESO on February 8, 2021 5:53PM3 -
Zorgon_The_Revenged✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborate1650 crowns a month as part of the base game? I'm in.1
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still needed[snip] The people who develop and maintain this game also need to eat and pay their bills too.
Also as noted some countries have already banned loot boxes. People who provide a service have the right to receive fair or even abundant compensation for those services, especially when it is a luxury item such as a game is.
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:45PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededESO+ is an pretty steady income stream. Unlike most store items who is a bit hit or miss in how much money they make.
ESO+ is also an way quality and content make them money.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough money[snip] The people who develop and maintain this game also need to eat and pay their bills too.
Also as noted some countries have already banned loot boxes. People who provide a service have the right to receive fair or even abundant compensation for those services, especially when it is a luxury item such as a game is.
You are incorrect on what you think my beliefs are. I pay for ESO+ and am perfectly happy to do so.
Despite that however I believe ESO+ is unnecessary and that the crown crates/lootboxes/ingame gambling generates more than enough money for the company to maintain the game and continue developing content for it. Assuming of course that money is going where it should be.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:46PM2 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyRecapitated wrote: »hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
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I buy crown crates frequently.
The question is whether or not they're enough to sustain the game. I think so because gambling in video games generates obscene profits for game companies. So much in fact its often unnecessary to have more than the gambling as a source of money.
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I made it as a poll for a reason. It should be obvious that the point of this post is to satisfy my curiosity on the opinions of my fellow players.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on February 8, 2021 2:47PM1 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyZorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »1650 crowns a month as part of the base game? I'm in.
...lol obviously some features wouldn't be made part of the base game if ESO+ was removed. Free access to dlc zones also probably wouldn't be added to the base game either.0 -
Misty✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI think ESO+ is brilliant. Not only is it a fair sub for my hobby but they also give you crowns to spend, offers, and all the nice perks.
I think they have done it right with ESO, were many others got it wrong.
Also, they need the income to keep the game updated and built upon, so in the end it all comes back to us, the player. It's the one of only a very few games were I'm happy to buy from the in game store.4 -
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✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededThe upkeep on MMO game servers is quite expensive. Far more than most people think. That is just to keep the game turned on(electric and bandwidth) and doesn't include the buildings, equipment, staff, loads of business expenses, multiple legal teams, etc, etc.
The cost to develop content, fix bugs and issues, etc are an ongoing expense. Chapter fees only cover part of game development costs a year.
Just to run the processors, not even the entire servers, it will costs tens of thousands of dollars in electric per month. 130w a pop isn't a lot until you multiply it by the number required to run a modern MMO then you are talking sub station level electricity consumption. 10k processors will require the same amount of power as 500-750 average size American homes. For scope, WoW use to run more than 75k cores( probably around 15k-20k processors depending on what model they used). ESO is much more complex game and requires heavier resources/processing. So just to processors consume a small town worth of electricity.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateI remember when there was no such thing as free to play and am perfectly fine paying a monthly subscription. I love this game so I want ZoS to make money and ESO to succeed.
Whether or not they could sustain without the subscription revenue I don't know, nor do I care. I will keep subbing for the reason above and the perks of being ESO+.PCNA0 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededI'd rather see the gambling go away than ESO+.
Too many toons not enough time6 -
Malborn66✭✭✭I am an ESO+ Subsciber.
I do not use my Crowns to buy Lootboxes IE Gamble.
Only ever had free Lootboxes.
I regard Lootboxes as a Bad Thing and would not be sorry if they were removed,
I regard ESO+ as a Good Thing.7 -
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✭I think ESO+ is fine but the gambling boxes and the crafting bag are unnecessary. Allow a one time purchase of 10,000-15,000 crowns for the crafting bag unlock and replace the crown crates with 4,000-6,000 crown mounts. You don't need to be scummy with your monetization to make money.2 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededAlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I think ESO+ is fine but the gambling boxes and the crafting bag are unnecessary. Allow a one time purchase of 10,000-15,000 crowns for the crafting bag unlock and replace the crown crates with 4,000-6,000 crown mounts. You don't need to be scummy with your monetization to make money.
The crafting bag is easily the biggest perk of ESO+. Subscription services should have a hook and I can think of no better than the crafting bag.
The crafting bag should always be a subscription perk. It does not prevent anyone from playing the game. It is the very definition of a convenience item.Edited by Sgrug on February 7, 2021 6:02PM2 -
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✭AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I think ESO+ is fine but the gambling boxes and the crafting bag are unnecessary. Allow a one time purchase of 10,000-15,000 crowns for the crafting bag unlock and replace the crown crates with 4,000-6,000 crown mounts. You don't need to be scummy with your monetization to make money.
The crafting bag is easily the biggest perk of ESO+. Subscription services should have a hook and I can think of no better than the crafting bag.
The crafting bag should always be a subscription perk. It does not prevent anyone from playing the game. It is the very definition of a convenience item.
Thing is, I'm already spending hundreds of dollars on crowns and chapters so why would I spend $15/mo to rent content I've already purchased outright? I'm not interested in Zenimax Online's "hook" as a business model. I have myself to worry about here. Mind you, this is on top of their gambling boxes which are abhorrent in their own right, which with any luck, will be made illegal in numerous countries very soon.
The crafting bag comes as a severe inconvenience to anyone that doesn't have it and essentially filters out players from that aspect of the economy to the point where I can not believe it's not called out for being blatant pay2win (economically) monetization. The amount of gold I've pissed away by not having enough inventory space to pick up everything easily translates to millions of gold in lost earnings.2 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No-The ingame gambling provides more than enough moneyAlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I think ESO+ is fine but the gambling boxes and the crafting bag are unnecessary. Allow a one time purchase of 10,000-15,000 crowns for the crafting bag unlock and replace the crown crates with 4,000-6,000 crown mounts. You don't need to be scummy with your monetization to make money.
The crafting bag is easily the biggest perk of ESO+. Subscription services should have a hook and I can think of no better than the crafting bag.
The crafting bag should always be a subscription perk. It does not prevent anyone from playing the game. It is the very definition of a convenience item.
I don't think the craft bag should be part of ESO+. I agree with you on ESO+ needing a hook but the craft bag is a solution to a problem that ZOS chose to create. My opinion is similar to the furniture limit increases in player homes.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Other-please elaborateAlexanderDeLarge wrote: »Thing is, I'm already spending hundreds of dollars on crowns and chapters so why would I spend $15/mo to rent content I've already purchased outright?
The crafting bag comes as a severe inconvenience to anyone that doesn't have it...
The amount of gold I've pissed away by not having enough inventory space to pick up everything easily translates to millions of gold in lost earnings.
You answered your own question.
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededhexentb16_ESO wrote: »AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I think ESO+ is fine but the gambling boxes and the crafting bag are unnecessary. Allow a one time purchase of 10,000-15,000 crowns for the crafting bag unlock and replace the crown crates with 4,000-6,000 crown mounts. You don't need to be scummy with your monetization to make money.
The crafting bag is easily the biggest perk of ESO+. Subscription services should have a hook and I can think of no better than the crafting bag.
The crafting bag should always be a subscription perk. It does not prevent anyone from playing the game. It is the very definition of a convenience item.
I don't think the craft bag should be part of ESO+. I agree with you on ESO+ needing a hook but the craft bag is a solution to a problem that ZOS chose to create. My opinion is similar to the furniture limit increases in player homes.
The very fact that so many continue to ask for it to be free shows it should not. It is not game-breaking, it is not essential to the game, it is a convenience only item. It would be like giving away a cow that makes chocolate milk, not needed but really nice to have. That is just foolish. ESO+ has to offer something people want, REALLY WANT. Not what others who want more things to be given away think ESO+ should offer.Edited by Sgrug on February 7, 2021 6:24PM4 -
Yuffie91✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededWithout eso + they would only make money from ppl buying dlcs and chapters and store items. I have a feeling chapters would be even shorter without eso+2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededYea unless they make every DLC+Chapter free of charge. I cannot imagine to pay for all except Main game of sudden. I got the Tamriel unlimited which means base game is unlocked for me only. 1650 is a good bonus,but considering how outrageously costly certain products ,not so much. Either way it would hurt a lot. Going full free 2 play is BS.
The fair way is to keep ESO plus option and with monthly rewards, to spend extra only for latest major chapter as usual.
Edited by Vanya on February 7, 2021 6:32PM0 -
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Well it's not working on me and only makes me want to drop the game for something else that treats me fairly as a player. Like @hexentb16_ESO said, this is a problem Zenimax Online created and conveniently solved behind a subscription model. Those chapters and DLCs that ESO+ grants access to? Already bought those. Initially, it felt like I was being punished as a legacy player and it still feels that way many years later.SilverBride wrote: »You answered your own question.
TESO dropped the subscription model in Q1 2015 and the crafting bag was introduced in Q2 2016 after we had already spent money on Imperial City, Orsinium and Thieves Guild DLCs. Under the old subscription model, we paid for the subscription and that's it. No gambling boxes, no paid mount speed upgrades, no paid assistants, cosmetics were earned inside the game rather than being limited time items for less than a week and being phased into the aforementioned gambling boxes at a later date for anyone who missed out the first time.
That's ultimately what this comes down to, expected to pay the same amount as I did before the game went buy2play but now I'm getting nickeled and dimed on top of it. I'm perfectly fine paying a subscription and chapters but it's one of the other, subscription or crown store crap.2 -
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✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededSubscription-only was a major selling point for me at the start of the game.
If they dump that now then lootboxes and other crass monetisation methods will just get worse.
Keep, ESO+Edited by Iluvrien on February 7, 2021 6:55PM1 -
UGotBenched91✭✭✭✭✭I don’t see anything in the OPs post that is being biased or trying to push an agenda. This forum is notorious for hijacking threads and jumping to conclusions. Simmer down and just bite and share your insight into your own opinion.2
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Yes-ESO+ is still neededUGotBenched91 wrote: »I don’t see anything in the OPs post that is being biased or trying to push an agenda. This forum is notorious for hijacking threads and jumping to conclusions. Simmer down and just bite and share your insight into your own opinion.
The OP edited the post after getting ALOT of feedback about the craft bag and the need for ESO+. Quickly the poll showed there is strong support for ESO+ to keep the craft bag and to not change.
More accurate to say you see nothing NOW after the OP thread starter was edited.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »
Well it's not working on me and only makes me want to drop the game for something else that treats me fairly as a player. Like @hexentb16_ESO said, this is a problem Zenimax Online created and conveniently solved behind a subscription model. Those chapters and DLCs that ESO+ grants access to? Already bought those. Initially, it felt like I was being punished as a legacy player and it still feels that way many years later.SilverBride wrote: »You answered your own question.
TESO dropped the subscription model in Q1 2015 and the crafting bag was introduced in Q2 2016 after we had already spent money on Imperial City, Orsinium and Thieves Guild DLCs. Under the old subscription model, we paid for the subscription and that's it. No gambling boxes, no paid mount speed upgrades, no paid assistants, cosmetics were earned inside the game rather than being limited time items for less than a week and being phased into the aforementioned gambling boxes at a later date for anyone who missed out the first time.
That's ultimately what this comes down to, expected to pay the same amount as I did before the game went buy2play but now I'm getting nickeled and dimed on top of it. I'm perfectly fine paying a subscription and chapters but it's one of the other, subscription or crown store crap.
For the first time ever I am playing without a sub. I would never have done this in the past but with the sticker book it is now possible to have a lot of inventory space no longer occupied by "maybe some day" sets.
Between bank, housing storage, and mules for the few sets I want to keep around there is lots of space for crafting materials.
Eventually these will fill up again but if I can go 3 or 4 months without the ESO+ I can save around $60 which will pay for the next expansion in June.
Then I will resub for a month which will transfer all the materials into the crafting bag and start over.
Crafting Bag used to be absolutely necessary if you wanted to gather anything in this game. Not so much anymore.0
