I just did the /sit emote while I watched an EP group and an AD fight it out. Eventually one EP did the shield bash gap closer on me (how rude) and I went Swarming Scion on him. Suddenly a friendly DC ball group came out of nowhere and it turned into a 10v10 brawl.

I was so confused as I stood on the flag and got credit for the capture.

zvavi wrote: »

The first guy was obviously not a griefer, but there for the PvP. I don't think he was confused, he just decided that you have no intention of fighting, so he left. There are many people that do that.

Exactly. I had a really good 1v1 going in cyrodiil the other day, finally decided it was a stale mate and I didn't want to continue, so I just stopped moving. Other guy realized what was going on and just left peacefully and with decency.

But I have to admit, I am often not such a good person 😈.

zvavi wrote: »

The first guy was obviously not a griefer, but there for the PvP. I don't think he was confused, he just decided that you have no intention of fighting, so he left. There are many people that do that.

Yeah, he absolutely wasn't "confused", he was waiting to see if you would fight back.

I like how this experience of a PvPer choosing not to kill someone who was obviously there for PvE questing still gets classed as griefing. Certainly explains why in all these threads about PvEers in PvP everyone is always like "No PvPers EVER leave PvEers alone when they're questing!" if they can't recognise when it happens and think it's griefing instead. A cc opener is just another way of saying hello.

Sure. Sometimes it's "hello would you like to fight" and sometimes it's "hello you're dead."

Had a good time tonight in Cyrodiil doing city quests and there were a couple of dc and ad there as well. No one fought as it was just a bunch of good folks getting their quest tickets. Was actually kind of nice that everyone had the same thought, you don't bother me and I will leave you to get your quests as well.

Let the battles go for the keeps. I got what I was there for, my tickets and got my rapids too!

I run around at IC looking for fights, if i see lonely players clearly doing quests or if they go all passive and not even try to fight back i let them go and carry on with their daily and run to the next fight.

There are exceptions, if i remember their name from being earlier in some 20+ zerg attacking me when they have the huge numbers advantage - no mercy. If you fight in a big zerg vs solos, you get instant karma back when you are without the zerg. Repeatedly.

No griefing, just some healthy dose of the backhand of JUSTICE! ("Go for the eyes, Boo!")

You know.. there are people who let others even have a legit 1vs1 duel when see and not go ruin it, and then there are those "pve boss farm groups" of max size and they run & chase any solo players they see and swarm them. And when you target them back it is suddenly griefing? People should see the other side of the coin also. People who normally play there solo are getting swarmed by raid groups that go after them like they were a trial boss.

Everyone should just be happy that there is action and dying and going at it again for the daily questers should not be such a nightmare - pve land questing is so easy all year - atleast here is a risk so take it as a fun challenge and laugh when die, it is not so serious.

I have actually had someone approach, see me put up a block and back away, and not attack me. It can happen! I mean, once, in the entire time I've played the game, but still. That's more times than I've seen Bigfoot.

zvavi wrote: »

renne wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

The first guy was obviously not a griefer, but there for the PvP. I don't think he was confused, he just decided that you have no intention of fighting, so he left. There are many people that do that.

Yeah, he absolutely wasn't "confused", he was waiting to see if you would fight back.

I like how this experience of a PvPer choosing not to kill someone who was obviously there for PvE questing still gets classed as griefing. Certainly explains why in all these threads about PvEers in PvP everyone is always like "No PvPers EVER leave PvEers alone when they're questing!" if they can't recognise when it happens and think it's griefing instead. A cc opener is just another way of saying hello.

Sure. Sometimes it's "hello would you like to fight" and sometimes it's "hello you're dead."

I am spending a lot of my IC time waiting in the arena waiting for potential fights for the achievement (usually a mini zerg of 3-5 comes, attacks me right away, I manage to find a squish target, kill it, die). But sometimes a lone player goes in. Starts doing the arena objective, ignoring me. How am I supposed to kill them? so I end up doing the objective with them. nuking them behind their back would be mean

I accidentally jumped someone in the sewers once (outside the event) because I came around a corner and they were right there and I laid into them only to realise way too late it was just a sub-50 quester so hardly any hits still just absolutely melted them I felt really mean, I know exactly what you're talking about.

There shouldn't be this many moral dilemmas in PvP! And yet...

My best (non-griefing, to be clear) IC stories are from when I was fishing on my EP Master Angler.

Story 1: I was on my way to the fishing water when I get spotted by two AD. They started peppering me with light attacks and are clearly buffing up for a fight as I reach the water. I start fishing.
They stop, attack me a few times.
I keep fishing.
They leave me be and I get my fish.

Story 2: I started wearing the Xivkyn Polymorph while fishing for a little extra camouflage, right? So I'm fishing, and a fellow EP player jumps down and tries to attack me. Then, halfway through their rotation, they realize I'm not an enemy.
I wave. They ran off.


I don't have any griefing stories. Its a PVP-enabled zone. I expect to die, so its no big deal when I do.