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pve players in pvp need to stop insulting pvp players.
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »I agree, and to be fair not every PVPer out there is toxic, but like everything it only takes a few. T-bagging and toxic whispers are still quite common in PVP. It gets vexing and just causes angry. I had someone tell me today (my own faction) that they T-bag and whisper insults to anger their opponents enough to come back so they can do it again and that is just not ok, nor is it good for the community. You killed them ok, move on. If you go into PVP as a PVE player expect to die, expect to lose.
In all honesty some people on the forums wonder why we haven't seen any new PVP content since IC and BGs? IMO its probably because of the few bad apples. Granted PVE players are not innocent here, there is toxicity on that side too, i just think that its more visible in the PVP world.
I think the problem is grossly exaggerated, honestly. Maybe this is a platform difference, but even when I did a bit more PvP with a guild I never, ever got any hate whispers and nobody in our groups talked about sending/receiving them either. That's not to say I didn't occasionally hear gossip, but I give gossip about as much weight as a fart in a windstorm as a general rule. The only places I've seen truly problematic behavior in the game has been very rare, and either random trolling in zone chat or someone whining about so much nothing in guild chat. None of that neatly divides into PvP/PvE categories, and... well... neither do players, really. A lot of folks do both, and there's diversity in both groups, so I don't see much merit to stereotyping either of these groups (or even considering them absolute, exclusive groups for that matter). As someone upstream already said, just... people are people and just try to be kind, yeah?1 -
xTAKISx✭✭✭✭The issue isnt PvPers or PvE'ers, it's toxic people. They were here before this event and they will be here long after.4 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭[snip] but it doesn't really give you a right to start insulting us, and insisting we must have no life. just cos you came to pvp during mid year mayhem, and dont understand the way things are done in cyrodill, doesn't justify insulting us on the forums [snip]
I'm not being funny, but mid year mayhem seems to be the event drags a lot of toxic pve players in to pvp who then resort to insults and bullying just cos they don't like pvp.
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If you just kill some PVP strong player, some times you better do not read your PM for 1-2 hours, or you will know a lot of bad words
For pve, not to often some bad from them on this event.
Oh thats an event, thats why so many new players, i forget.
But i get tickets every day, i run with guestion, why so many people do not attack me.
So event, now i have an answer
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ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »LOL wut?
Never saw a PvPer that ever considered a PvE [snip] as anything more than a nuisance.
I'm guessing you've not seen the forums posts insinutating that if you play pvp you must either not have a life or be sick in the head. dont see why they feel the need to go and post things like that just because tehy dont like that we have a pvp event
I have seen them and honestly laugh. Though I believe these days EVERYONE needs to thicken up their skin a bit. People these days equate words with real harm and that just is not so, especially the meaningless prattle that spouts from those with no power or authority over you.
Wise words.
Words used by sociopaths to justify abuse and dodge responsibility for the consequences of their harmful behavior. And abusive words are indeed harmful behavior.
Apologies - I've seen this mentality give a free pass to abusers far, far too often in the waking world. While the consequences are not usually as severe in virtual environments, they can be. I've seen that too.
Better wise words is "be kind to one another."
I agree, and to be fair not every PVPer out there is toxic, but like everything it only takes a few. T-bagging and toxic whispers are still quite common in PVP. It gets vexing and just causes angry. I had someone tell me today (my own faction) that they T-bag and whisper insults to anger their opponents enough to come back so they can do it again and that is just not ok, nor is it good for the community. You killed them ok, move on. If you go into PVP as a PVE player expect to die, expect to lose.
In all honesty some people on the forums wonder why we haven't seen any new PVP content since IC and BGs? IMO its probably because of the few bad apples. Granted PVE players are not innocent here, there is toxicity on that side too, i just think that its more visible in the PVP world.
How does pissing people off = I want to do this more. Who enjoys being angry? It's a game you come to have fun.1 -
SshadowSscale✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I had an incident during last year's Imperial City Event that still sticks with me. The IC event requires doing the daily quests in a PvPvE zone, and I'm not comfortable with the cheese method of standing on the Arena District and killing dremora from the spawn point. (Though if you hate PVP, go for it!) So early one morning, I went to the Nobles District and started laying ogrim traps.
I was on my PVE sprinter build. This lets me zip past mobs and outrun the Xivkyn and Atronachs that otherwise I'd have to stop and fight. Its great! Its also very, very squishy - like 16k health in medium armor. I am the definition of "fragile speedster."
So I'm on my last ogrim trap and heading to the far side of the district when I see two enemy players capturing the district flag. That's a pretty good sign that these are PVPers or at least experienced Tel Var farmers...and I decide "Maybe I can sprint past them to get to my trap spot."
Haha, haha, I got deleted.
I rez up, drop down, and because the shortest way to my destination in a straight line, I make a beeline right in front of the flag again, which the two enemy players are turning.
*Boom* dead again.
As I'm laying facedown on the district pavement, I realize that one of the players who killed me has a funny name - a punny play on Wardens. So I whisper them to compliment them on their name.
I was thanked for not being toxic about them killing me while I was questing. Profusely thanked. Like, we whispered each other for a couple minutes. While I was there for the event tickets, there were there for the double Tel Var. They weren't hunting questers, just two friends running around a PVPvE zone hoping to make some Tel Var and fighting players as they came across them. And yet many of the players they killed were salty and toxic about being killed.
I was taken aback. Here were two players PVPing exactly as intended, taking part in the event. No, more than that, here were two players PVPing in about the most noncontroversial way there is, and they were meeting enough players being toxic about dying while they quested that they thanked me for not being toxic.
I don't get it.
Imperial City is a PvPvE zone.
I understand being annoyed when you die. I'm no saint. I get annoyed.
What I do not understand is being toxic to players who are playing as ZOS intends and allows after the fully intended and expected PVP happened in a PvPvE zone.
"I'm questing for my event tickets" is neither a safe conduct in PvPvE zones nor an excuse to be toxic when you die.
Lol last year I saw a pve player who is questing get jumped on by an enemy nightblade so I jumped on the nightblade to try and save the questers life.... after I killed the nightblade the questers who I just saved immediately went to zone chat spatting out how toxic I am etc etc.... needles to say after 2 or 3 minutes I legit had to log of due to how toxic zone chat got towards me because of this one guy who I saved..... should have just let him be killed1 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm going to give my anecdotes. Make of them what you will:
I do end game PVE and some light PVP on the same toon. EP, PS4 NA. I've been doing PVP long enough to reach Sergeant. I've done a few battlegrounds. Here are my observations:
- I usually win battlegrounds
- I usually get slaughtered in Cyrodiil and IC
- I have received and sent 0 hate whispers
- I have observed one instance of tea-bagging in EP
- I have observed no tea-bagging in AD
- I have lost count of how many DC players I've seen tea-bagging since just the start of this MYM
- I have seen many instances of spawn camping and player farming in DC, not so much in other alliances
- I can't really tell who the PVPers and PVEers are, outside of recognzing some gimmick builds
There's probably a study on player toxicity in there, but I don't have enough data.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨0 -
bigjames09✭✭Pve players are ez ap so it doesn't bother me if they try and be toxic..... The PvE'Rs just need to GET GUD3
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Baccarooda✭✭✭Let me say i have loved this event and reading all the forum posts from PVE players moaning about PVP players has made it even better. Nothing better than farming them for easy ap and sending them straight to the forums. 0 -
PurplePlatypus✭✭✭Many pvp players use cheating scripts for combo attacks, such as 6 attacks plus ultimate, and all this in 0.6 seconds. If they played honestly without using dirty cheating scripts, then there would be less insults I think.1
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Baccarooda✭✭✭PurplePlatypus wrote: »Many pvp players use cheating scripts for combo attacks, such as 6 attacks plus ultimate, and all this in 0.6 seconds. If they played honestly without using dirty cheating scripts, then there would be less insults I think.
And ofcourse you have the proof or this right?3 -
ApostateHobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Versispellis wrote: »I'm going to give my anecdotes. Make of them what you will:
I do end game PVE and some light PVP on the same toon. EP, PS4 NA. I've been doing PVP long enough to reach Sergeant. I've done a few battlegrounds. Here are my observations:
- I usually win battlegrounds
- I usually get slaughtered in Cyrodiil and IC
- I have received and sent 0 hate whispers
- I have observed one instance of tea-bagging in EP
- I have observed no tea-bagging in AD
- I have lost count of how many DC players I've seen tea-bagging since just the start of this MYM
- I have seen many instances of spawn camping and player farming in DC, not so much in other alliances
- I can't really tell who the PVPers and PVEers are, outside of recognzing some gimmick builds
There's probably a study on player toxicity in there, but I don't have enough data.
Also ps4 NA and very much agree about DC's behavior. Idk what it is about their whole alliance, but they're always the most aggressive and rude players I encounter. AD and EP are both pretty chill though there seems to be more tryhard players in EP whereas AD is kinda wimpy but we try lol.1 -
hexnotic✭✭✭✭there’s toxic humans from both sides, but i’m a pve main and yes i’ve seen plenty of toxic behavior from my brethren.2 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭If you kill someone in PvP because you outnumbered them and then you T-bag them, you are the lowest scum. If you 1vX successfully and kill everyone go for it. You earned it2 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »Versispellis wrote: »I'm going to give my anecdotes. Make of them what you will:
I do end game PVE and some light PVP on the same toon. EP, PS4 NA. I've been doing PVP long enough to reach Sergeant. I've done a few battlegrounds. Here are my observations:
- I usually win battlegrounds
- I usually get slaughtered in Cyrodiil and IC
- I have received and sent 0 hate whispers
- I have observed one instance of tea-bagging in EP
- I have observed no tea-bagging in AD
- I have lost count of how many DC players I've seen tea-bagging since just the start of this MYM
- I have seen many instances of spawn camping and player farming in DC, not so much in other alliances
- I can't really tell who the PVPers and PVEers are, outside of recognzing some gimmick builds
There's probably a study on player toxicity in there, but I don't have enough data.
Also ps4 NA and very much agree about DC's behavior. Idk what it is about their whole alliance, but they're always the most aggressive and rude players I encounter. AD and EP are both pretty chill though there seems to be more tryhard players in EP whereas AD is kinda wimpy but we try lol.
I'm glad it's not just me. lol. I know it's not everyone in DC, but there seems to be enough of them, and I really don't understand it either. You'd think there would be just as much bad behavior in all the alliances. I don't think it has to do with population size, because I've seen enough EP and AD zergs (AD zergs being rarer) to witness their behavior, and I just don't see it there.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨1 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭I care not what PVP'ers will do,However I am baffled and befuddled why would they add Major story content in PVP heated zone to cause chaos I cannot quest in peace constantly interrupted
I will not insult anyone but i highly disagree for example what i dont like is deliberate attempt of gank team to annoy player preventing him of completing Story content in Imperial city, yea they will defend themselves group up etc, but you see what they created
2 opposing factions they really should be Imperial city PVE purely verison same for entire Cyrodil.Edited by Vanya on February 3, 2021 1:47PM0 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PurplePlatypus wrote: »Many pvp players use cheating scripts for combo attacks, such as 6 attacks plus ultimate, and all this in 0.6 seconds. If they played honestly without using dirty cheating scripts, then there would be less insults I think.
It’s literally impossible to do with global cool downs for skills. This is the type of toxicity I hate the most is when someone accuses others of cheating when they don’t even understand how basic game mechanics work.
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