Selling of Malacath.

Shadowasrial wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Selling of Malacath.

There needs to be a crit mythic that increases crit damage by 25%

They may nerf Malacath and bring a new crit buffing ring or whatever say a year later...

You know the rule, nerf old items, bring outstanding new items, sell those new items.

You think that's bad...wait until you see the new CP system.

I’m not usually one to agree with keeping pvp and pve separate but for once I agree it needs to be a thing. Crit builds should be viable in pvp but if it over performs in pve then have limits. It ruins the power fantasy of a roque class when being sneaky is the only thing you can do. Rogue crit is a staple of the mmo genre and zos has effectively destroyed it. Outside of stealing there’s no reason for rogue playstyle outside of role playing in pve. But pvp is where that power fantasy can come alive. Yes ganking is annoying but if you build for that much damage and crit you usually trade it for low survival. Being able to take out one player with relative ease is not overpowered. Being able to kill 5-6 players all while they are wailing on you shouldn’t be a thing but having the damage to burst down a single player for a hit and run rogue style isn’t that overpowered.

p00tx wrote: »

You think that's bad...wait until you see the new CP system.

If the new system nerfs your Critical Chance even worse then what's the point of Khajiit supposed to be the critical damage Race? It was difficult enough just getting my nightblade to 60% and that's AFTER popping a potion.

After all this I feel Critical Damage should never have been a thing to begin with. Players always chase the higher damage numbers and Crits are that number. If normal (white) damage was all we could do this wouldn't have been an issue.

The 'meta' people are chasing will always get nerfed.

This is the rarer but still happens example of pve ruining pvp builds

I'm not crazy about nerfs in general, but IMO, crit is getting nerfed because its really the only way to build a viable endgame build. If they want to make the game have more build diversity at the endgame level, crit either needs to be nerfed, or they need to buff the heck out of proc sets (No-No for PVP) or increase the average base damage you can expect to get out of builds stacking max WP/SP or max stats. However, if you buff the damage you can expect to get with a WP/SP or max stats build, its only going to buff crit builds even more by increasing the base damage that gets multiplied.

Based on that, the only thing they can really do that is viable to make non-crit builds more competitive that won't cause major problems in PVP is to simply nerf crit in some way to reduce the advantage that crit gives you over Max WP/SP builds.

Every game I’ve played with Crit as build option it’s the obvious defacto meta unless something like the malacath ring is introduced. Would be best to nerf Crit damage as Sun7dance suggests or junk it.

Ryuvain wrote: »

Try playing a khajiit sorc. I don't even have the option of dropping crit at all. Surge could just give lifesteal instead or something.

This as in double hit.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I'm not crazy about nerfs in general, but IMO, crit is getting nerfed because its really the only way to build a viable endgame build. If they want to make the game have more build diversity at the endgame level, crit either needs to be nerfed, or they need to buff the heck out of proc sets (No-No for PVP) or increase the average base damage you can expect to get out of builds stacking max WP/SP or max stats. However, if you buff the damage you can expect to get with a WP/SP or max stats build, its only going to buff crit builds even more by increasing the base damage that gets multiplied.

Based on that, the only thing they can really do that is viable to make non-crit builds more competitive that won't cause major problems in PVP is to simply nerf crit in some way to reduce the advantage that crit gives you over Max WP/SP builds.

because literally anything other than stacking crit is so weak, so lame it have no point to go for it

Im not informed enough for other classes but from friends I know how on mag sorcs we could stack for max magica instead of crit and have endgame dps as other classes with stacking crit....but something ZOS didnt like it and they nerfed scaling of max magica with sorc abilities and so sorc needed to abandon one of the only non-crit focused build and go for crit build

so I fail to see how nerfing crit and nerfing and nerfing will solve problem while everything other than crit is just so weak without even capabilities to run with dlc content to not stay in hours in single dungeon because of so low dps after these nerfs and no buffs to anything other

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Yeah I’m not a fan of all the crit nerfs. You can’t even build for crit without sacrificing lots of sustain or survivability unless you run mechanical acuity so crit builds are going to be virtually unused in PvP now.

Not really the case sense they’ve adjusted everyone’s base stats. You’ll have much higher health and sustain has also been increased. You can spec heavier into crit now without really sacrificing those two aspects.