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Dark elf indirectly nerfed hard.
orion_1981usub17_ESO
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The main selling point of dunmer was the hybridization of their damage racial passive. Allowing them to get weapon and magicka damage. But with both orc (old best stam) and altmer( old best mag) getting both spell and weapon damage... it makes dunmer absolutely a lesser race now. Especially without fire immunity. They'll be regulated to bottom of the barrel below the bosmer.
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Tsukiino✭✭✭✭Yeah but now you can get an Orc mage and an Altmer assassin.
Yay for diversity right?
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Nolic1✭✭✭But the Dunmer still have 1910 stam and mag over the orcs 1000 stam and the high elfs 2000 mag so they have less of that as well.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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ealdwin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not really. Altmer and Orcs are still respectively Mag and Stam focused. They just now offer something to those looking to go off meta with them. Dunmer will still hve an edge with their dual resource pools.
Also, this gives those without Any Race Any Alliance options.13 -
Matthros✭✭✭Unless I missed something but Dark Elves didn’t lose their weapon and spell damage and their max stam and max magicka got a slight buff. Others lost their immunity status too.5 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You'll lose diversity. Orc and altmer were already best choice for the respective roles. Those who wished for off meta rolled dark elf because they were always 2nd place. But that's now redundant, the dual pool isn't enough to sell them. Especially with changes to other races directly nerfed, like nords. Everyone will gravitate to altmer and orc... unless you agree they're too ugly.5
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thedoodle_90✭✭✭Uh...Dark Elf is now like the most OP for most builds.
Orc got reduced to 1k stam so now Dark Elf are better stam dps than orc
And now they are on 90 mana lower than high elf. Meaning they also are OP in Mag Dept
High Elf have 0 Stam too so if you want hyrbid Dark Elf still wins...Because they have 1910 STAM AND MAG and the 253 Weapon/spell damage
Orc have 253 Spell/W but 0 magic and 1k stam
Helf have 253 spell/w and 0 stam and 2k mag
Edited by thedoodle_90 on January 27, 2021 11:28PM25 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, they actually got buffed. They may not be immune to the burning status effect but they take less fire damage. Mag DK's will struggle against them still. And they are still the best race for a Vampire build with all that fire resistance.5 -
GrimTheReaper45✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »The main selling point of dunmer was the hybridization of their damage racial passive. Allowing them to get weapon and magicka damage. But with both orc (old best stam) and altmer( old best mag) getting both spell and weapon damage... it makes dunmer absolutely a lesser race now. Especially without fire immunity. They'll be regulated to bottom of the barrel below the bosmer.
I would say the hybrid damage isnt the draw of dummer. The second damage stat isnt really the main benefit of them, its not over all helpfull. Them both being present is just so you can utilize one of either of them for a stam or mag build.
The real benefit of them is the extra stam on mag for roll dodge/block/sprint/sneak and the extra mag on stam for buffs/cc8 -
For Dark elf players like myself this is a awesome change but for others that complaining about my Dunmer i will say this go complain somer where else you n'wah9
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orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Orcs gained a passive 2k heal per 4 seconds. They did not lose in this patch. And the altmer spell charge was changed to any skill. That's a huge buff. They not only have off damage better better systainment in combat.5
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, they were nefed bscouse other race got buffed ? Hmm... Idk, Dark Elves still have solid passives. Good dps & healer.
Argonians on the other hand... Currently their racial bonuses looks like a "hodgepodge" of weakest and mediocre bonuses... It is a mess...
I mean at this point if I were a Telvani master I would sell all of them (before update) or even set them free (basically got rid of them) as with those passives they wont even be good for a "house servant"...
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on January 27, 2021 11:36PM6 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭WardenOfTheExalted wrote: »For Dark elf players like myself this is a awesome change but for others that complaining about my Dunmer i will say this go complain somer where else you n'wah
You gained 70 resources, 35 magicka and 35 stamina, dont spend it all in one place now.1 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Argonians have their own threads, let's stay on point. This increases players options in hybrid beyond the dunmer race. Want a hybrid with a strong heal... orc. Want a hybrid with great off resource regen... altmer. They will be better hybrids than dunmer.0
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I tend to pick Dunmer for new characters mostly so I can make up my mind later about whether I'm playing the stam or magicka version of the class.
That being said, my main is staying a Dunmer even if we get nerfed so hard we'll wish Baar Dau fell on us.8 -
ealdwin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sorry, I fail to see the point how more options for hybrids is a bad thing. They aren’t meta or pushing leaderboards in any content. The differences between any race right now as far as hybrid damage is concerned isn’t monumental. Maybe you’re right, and Dunmer won’t be THE goto hybrid race anymore. And? I’m legitimately asking, because to me, hybrid is a purely optional playstyle that can be on any race I want. The goal of hybrids is rarely about min-maxing leaderboards but about player choice. So why are more options a bad thing as far as Dunmer are concerned?4 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Something else getting buffed is not a nerf.
dark elves are objectively better with this update.
they are getting buffed.9 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Something else getting buffed is not a nerf.
dark elves are objectively better with this update.
they are getting buffed.
[snip] It doesn't work that way. The cross damage buff was unique to dunmer. Now it is not, they have lost something that made them special over other races, and gained nothing for it. That's an indirect nerf and a sad one for dunmer.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]Edited by Psiion on January 28, 2021 1:08AM2 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP also missed the part where the patch notes said that regular PvE mobs can no longer inflict status effects such as Burning.
That means that Dark Elves got straight-up buffed in any PvE content with incoming fire damage (so basically all of PvE).6 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »Something else getting buffed is not a nerf.
dark elves are objectively better with this update.
they are getting buffed.
[snip] It doesn't work that way. The cross damage buff was unique to dunmer. Now it is not, they have lost something that made them special over other races, and gained nothing for it. That's an indirect nerf and a sad one for dunmer.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]
Dark Elf still has the best overall distribution of stamina/magicka and weapon damage/spell damage of all the races (as well as Flame damage resistance which is one of the most common damage types); not to mention Orc lost 1000 max stamina and High Elf isn't becoming meta stamina DPS anytime soon with these changes either, so I'm uncertain what the point of the entire post itself is anymore.Edited by FlamingBeard on July 22, 2022 4:58PM8 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »OP also missed the part where the patch notes said that regular PvE mobs can no longer inflict status effects such as Burning.
That means that Dark Elves got straight-up buffed in any PvE content with incoming fire damage (so basically all of PvE).
Pve trash mobs are negible in difficulty. Even in vet trials clearing trash isn't much of a chore. Your "buff" is a grasped straw.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »OP also missed the part where the patch notes said that regular PvE mobs can no longer inflict status effects such as Burning.
That means that Dark Elves got straight-up buffed in any PvE content with incoming fire damage (so basically all of PvE).
Pve trash mobs are negible in difficulty. Even in vet trials clearing trash isn't much of a chore. Your "buff" is a grasped straw.
Less of a grasped straw than your assertion that Dark Elves were nerfed.
The language in the patch is "monsters" will no longer have a chance to proc status effects. That could potentially also include bosses.3 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭FlamingBeard wrote: »orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »Something else getting buffed is not a nerf.
dark elves are objectively better with this update.
they are getting buffed.
[snip] It doesn't work that way. The cross damage buff was unique to dunmer. Now it is not, they have lost something that made them special over other races, and gained nothing for it. That's an indirect nerf and a sad one for dunmer.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]
[snip]
Dark Elf still has the best overall distribution of stamina/magicka and weapon damage/spell damage of all the races (as well as Flame damage resistance which is one of the most common damage types); not to mention Orc lost 1000 max stamina and High Elf isn't becoming meta stamina DPS anytime soon with these changes either, so I'm uncertain what the point of the entire post itself is anymore.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]
The baseline has moved and the race did not. Orcs lose stamina but gain a heal equivalent to a 5 piece set and altmer have even easier time in keeping their off resource up. If two races are buffed and you remain unchanged them you were nerfed.Edited by Psiion on January 28, 2021 1:09AM0 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »OP also missed the part where the patch notes said that regular PvE mobs can no longer inflict status effects such as Burning.
That means that Dark Elves got straight-up buffed in any PvE content with incoming fire damage (so basically all of PvE).
Pve trash mobs are negible in difficulty. Even in vet trials clearing trash isn't much of a chore. Your "buff" is a grasped straw.
Less of a grasped straw than your assertion that Dark Elves were nerfed.
The language in the patch is "monsters" will no longer have a chance to proc status effects. That could potentially also include bosses.
Re read that... it does not include bosses who are written to have those debuffs.0 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »FlamingBeard wrote: »orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »Something else getting buffed is not a nerf.
dark elves are objectively better with this update.
they are getting buffed.
[snip] It doesn't work that way. The cross damage buff was unique to dunmer. Now it is not, they have lost something that made them special over other races, and gained nothing for it. That's an indirect nerf and a sad one for dunmer.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]
[snip]
Dark Elf still has the best overall distribution of stamina/magicka and weapon damage/spell damage of all the races (as well as Flame damage resistance which is one of the most common damage types); not to mention Orc lost 1000 max stamina and High Elf isn't becoming meta stamina DPS anytime soon with these changes either, so I'm uncertain what the point of the entire post itself is anymore.
[Edited to remove Real World Politics]
The baseline has moved and the race did not. Orcs lose stamina but gain a heal equivalent to a 5 piece set and altmer have even easier time in keeping their off resource up. If two races are buffed and you remain unchanged them you were nerfed.
Orc was best stamina DPS and its damage just got nerfed so the whole reason anyone currently uses it is now worse.
High Elf was already the slightest bit better at magicka DPS than Dark Elf but High Elf can't just switch up to a stamina build and do high-tier DPS like Dark Elf can so it's a trade-off.
If you want Dark Elf buffed in a specific way then say so, but complaining that it has been "nerfed hard" because of these off-meta changes is a stretch.Edited by Psiion on January 28, 2021 1:10AM4 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »Orcs gained a passive 2k heal per 4 seconds. They did not lose in this patch. And the altmer spell charge was changed to any skill. That's a huge buff. They not only have off damage better better systainment in combat.
They lost half their stam.
For a 2k heal every 4 seconds. That's useless. Like how often will that save you? You gonna roll dodge three times and wait for that to kick in?4 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dunmer are still better mag characters than orcs.
Dunmer are still better stam characters than altmer.
Dunmer are buffed compared to live.
You're massively overreacting.13 -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer have always been inferior to the glorious Altmer. it's a proven scientific fact.Shortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""4 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer are still better mag characters than orcs.
Dunmer are still better stam characters than altmer.
Dunmer are buffed compared to live.
You're massively overreacting.
What buff? 70 resources? Don't make me laugh. We both know when the proc test happens in pvp everyone will switch to shackle breaker anyway.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »OP also missed the part where the patch notes said that regular PvE mobs can no longer inflict status effects such as Burning.
That means that Dark Elves got straight-up buffed in any PvE content with incoming fire damage (so basically all of PvE).
Pve trash mobs are negible in difficulty. Even in vet trials clearing trash isn't much of a chore. Your "buff" is a grasped straw.
Less of a grasped straw than your assertion that Dark Elves were nerfed.
The language in the patch is "monsters" will no longer have a chance to proc status effects. That could potentially also include bosses.
Re read that... it does not include bosses who are written to have those debuffs.
You can still get them as part of a scripted mechanic.
But it excludes acquiring status effects from any and all attacks that are not already scripted to apply them. Depending upon your RNG and the particular fight in question, the trade could still well be worth it.1 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Dunmer have always been inferior to the glorious Altmer. it's a proven scientific fact.
I dont mind the altmer being better magicka dps. I am furious over their hybridization options. Dunmer and khajit were the hybrid races. That uniqueness is lost. Altmer with their off regen will be logically better hybrid dps. And orcs with their new heal(yes it's a big deal in a fight) will have tremendous staying power in battle.Edited by orion_1981usub17_ESO on January 28, 2021 12:48AM0