@Stahlor So in real life stick waving skinny book worms that do no physical training should be faster than warriors?
I mean this is fast paced game and with your twisted logic you would like to slow her down. No thx if its not fast and dynamic pvp would become ghost town

@Dracane i see your point about heavy having extra 10% mitigation if cc imune. I do agree its bad move. But I don't agree it should be while cced. Than it would be completely dead passive since you break cc instantly.
Honestly i would rather they change whole passive

It would be okay if Heavy got advantage over medium, medium over light and then light over heavy like rock/paper/scissors. So that every playstyle has a counter. Tanks in pvp are really annoying and this might help counter that.

Mettaricana wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

My main question is do we still have the agility passive? Cuz thats gonna hurt losing that wep damage bonus

You do not lose anything. You fail to believe, it seems. You get all these bonuses on top of everything medium armor already has; for free without penalty.

Your medium armor got heavily buffed, not nerfed.

Sweet in one way but i was hoping they would break agility into a per peice passive this would allow mix of things like 3pc heavy 4 medium for a slightly less damage but more health and resistance build

That would be cool for those who want it. But I guess they want to maintain armor identity by forcing people to dedicate to one playstyle.

I guess so i woulda been a great way to pave the path for more hybrid playstyles like a dps off tank, or off tank healer, a sap tank that does damage and heals. Or still dedicate to the glass cannon builds but would have offered alot more play style freedom.

Though then I would want to see the same for light armor's Concentration passive.

LA - okay..
HA - okay...
MD - excuse me? where are the downsides? they should take 2,5% of magic attacks and 2,5% martial attacks.
(while wearing 5 pieces of medium)

Period, its a simple math calculation

DonGodJoe wrote: »

LA - okay..
HA - okay...
MD - excuse me? where are the downsides? they should take 2,5% of magic attacks and 2,5% martial attacks.
(while wearing 5 pieces of medium)

Period, its a simple math calculation

No?

One give you physical dmg reduction bonus and a magick dmg taken debuff.

The other is the other way around.

Why medium should take both dmg increase with no bonus?
If anything it's more logic that medium take no dmg increase but also dosen't get dmg mitigation bonus.

@killingspreeb16_ESO .. what no bonuses? haven't you see all the bonuses medium armor will get? ..

This is again just prioritizing one build over another.. they looked at it from PVE perspective but forgot about PVP situation

This thread and the comments contained herein readily demonstrate the iq levels and group think of the masses. This thread won’t age well once the patch notes are released and it will be apparent that all we have witnessed is people jumping to conclusions, as most people do even when patch notes are released but haven’t even been tested.

Well with the changes to the champion System and the fact it looks like most passive bonuses were or are gone this will incentivize players to make choices instead of the standard cookie cutter setups there was for both PvP and PvE. This as theory should open the build options by alot more but until its tested and not just through the 5 weeks on pts but the 3 months to even a year live they can get a better understanding of how it works in the live servers to adjust. Sense this is how they have done things for ever with the game. I would not expect any major changes to these things during this PTS cycle.

Everyone in here acting like the sky is falling over 1% changes.

Did you all forget that you can wear light, medium and heavy?

Brederode wrote: »

What I don’t get is that heavy armor gets a “1% more magicka damage taken per piece” penalty. Heavy armor is supposed to give the best protection out of the three yet somehow now takes more magicka damage? Makes no sense to me. If anything this is a penalty that should have been on medium armor, which somehow gets no penalties as of now compared to light and heavy armor.

Even better would be if ZOS just scrapped this whole “armor penalties” idea of them altogether though..

TL;DR: Convection and Conduction.

Full plate in an pool of lava.
Full plate on an iceberg.
Full plate touched by a utility line.

Faulgor wrote: »

Stahlor wrote: »

They should introduce speed penalties, too. Would also make sense in real life - the heavier the armour, the slower you are.
Light armour = no penalty
medium armour = 3% speed reduction each piece of medium armour
heavy armour = 5% speed reduction each piece of heavy armour

What we really need is the Dark Souls fat roll!

Don't do Havel or DS like that. In DS, when you press a button and you have the resource, the game actually performs the action.

(For non DS types, DS adds difficultly by adding difficulty, not by being non-responsive half the time like this game.)

Sevrance wrote: »

I agree with the concept of armor negatives. I think they need to focus more on mobility though.

Give the current Heavy attributes (+1 mag dmg, -1 phys dmg) to medium, and let heavy have no increased dmg from any source (its heavy!). But the con to heavy is a massive reduction in mobility, 2% increased dodge roll, 2% increase sprint, -2% base movement speed, increase fall damage, etc. Heavy is the tank stuff, you are highly resistant to damage, but it comes at the cost of mobility.

I agree to some of what you say but feel heavy is only tanky not just tank only gear. Heavy armor is about being survivable not about being stealthy and such like they explained medium armor being about and light being about being more protective to magic less to melee but each armor type having a feel to it adds more to the choices you make like a melee light armor build could run a sword and shield and be like a battle priest negating some of the physical damage by blocking and using bash to interrupt targets in pvp and pve. remember there trying to add more ways for people to play how they want not restrict them. So this has some advantages and disadvantages to your choices but there will always be those that look for the best and will find it in time not in the just the first few weeks but the first few months this is out.