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The new "Chapter".
Vasoka
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This isn't a chapter, it's not even a DLC. It has nothing in it. Literally nothing. This should be free with ESO+.
First chapter I'm not buying or coming back for.
First chapter I'm not buying or coming back for.
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TheImperfect✭✭✭✭✭
✭It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.18 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
No, that's incorrect.
The first two are base game updates. You get them regardless if you buy the chapter or not. The dungeons aren't the chapter either, they're a separate item.
If you buy the chapter, you get companions, a new zone and a trial. That's it. Companions will be useless to a LOT of players. So a questing zone and a trial. For £30. Absolute joke.Edited by Brrrofski on January 27, 2021 1:16AM29 -
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✭✭TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
CP system update 29, not chapter
Morpholith Pet event tickets, not chapter
Dungeons Q1 and Q3, not chapter
Not to be too negative but with the chapter it's basically just a single zone and a trial - with companions thrown in which so far popular opinion seem to be that they'll be not at all useful for most. I'm hoping I'm wrong, didn't think much of antiquities when it was announced but actually quite enjoy it now it's levelled.
I waited the whole stream for a reason to preorder and didn't really get one tbhPS4 EU17 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agree with what was offered for the paid content it is not alot and first time I am not pre-ordering. Sad times.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP1 -
AVaelham✭✭✭✭It should at least be cheaper, if anything. Saying we get nothing is a bit disingenuous though, but apparently for the hardcore players on this forum questing and the time and effort put in the new zone are nothing.5 -
Ekzorka✭✭✭✭✭
You know, single-player shooter game which is done at 20% have more content and it's cheaper.TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
Also Morrowind-Elsweyr have more content and their prices were fair.Edited by Ekzorka on January 27, 2021 1:38AM3 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Also they did say the companion wont be avaiable in pvp and solo arena. No mention of group content wich imply that we may be able to bring them in trial and if so they would be free dps and like winth necro at launch you will most likely be really encouraged by the trial lead to bring yours0 -
FR0STDEE✭✭✭✭No new skill/weapon line.
No new class.
Nothing to get exited with PVP.
Going down hill since Vvardenfell.3 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I despise Battlegrounds and want nothing to do with them, but I still feel like I got my money's worth with Morrowind.
Assuming there's a substantially longer, more complex, and deeper story than Greymoor had, I'll be happy, I expect."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
TheImperfect✭✭✭✭✭
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You know, single-player shooter game which is done at 20% have more content and it's cheaper.TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
Also Morrowind-Elsweyr have more content and their prices were fair.
OP said it wasn't a chapter, it has nothing. Even if you refute the other points about pet and champion system which still has to be paid for by someone (ok you could argue subscribers - plus new servers), you still get a new chapter and it is not NOTHING. A lot of time and energy is likely gone into creating an area that is a place we recognise some of and some new areas but in a differen't time. I do agree it is a little expensive but nobody makes anybody buy it. It's your or anyones choice and will likely go down in price eventually.5 -
Aeslief✭✭✭✭✭I agree, "Chapters" have justified their price point from the beginning by the extra exclusive features they offer, which are split off from the zone content when they become DLC. Morrowind had the Warden (and battlegrounds!), Summerset had Jewelrycrafting (and Psijic skill line!), Elsweyr had Necromancer class, and Greymoor had Antiquities.
Blackwood is just a zone DLC. Maybe an extra large one, but it's not a chapter.4 -
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✭TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
No, that's incorrect.
The first two are base game updates. You get them regardless if you buy the chapter or not. The dungeons aren't the chapter either, they're a separate item.
If you buy the chapter, you get companions, a new zone and a trial. That's it. Companions will be useless to a LOT of players. So a questing zone and a trial. For £30. Absolute joke.
New zone,trial,companions, NEW STORY,new crafting and new items that you would otherwise need to buy. Its a bit underwhelming but it still offers stuff we also dont know what else will be included. Till then hold off and stop complaining.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
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Volckodav✭✭✭honestly if they got more time to fix the game performance I'm ready to have less stuff and pay for it 100%4 -
Aptonoth✭✭✭✭✭TheImperfect wrote: »It has a lot of stuff, the different champion system, morpholith pet, companions, whole new areas and story and dungeons/trial to start. The areas may be the same as TES4 but they have had to be built again and reimagined in a different time. It's definitely not nothing.
No, that's incorrect.
The first two are base game updates. You get them regardless if you buy the chapter or not. The dungeons aren't the chapter either, they're a separate item.
If you buy the chapter, you get companions, a new zone and a trial. That's it. Companions will be useless to a LOT of players. So a questing zone and a trial. For £30. Absolute joke.
New zone,trial,companions, NEW STORY,new crafting and new items that you would otherwise need to buy. Its a bit underwhelming but it still offers stuff we also dont know what else will be included. Till then hold off and stop complaining.
People have been asking for magick melee and spears so long now. Its ruining my immersion to have so little choice in weapons when roleplaying. Adding new weapons would be trivial just don't make every set style use the new weapons onky add them to sets that make sense. Same thing going forward not every new set needs every weapon in it. This would give us so much variety in weapons at a low server cost.3 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It should at least be cheaper, if anything. Saying we get nothing is a bit disingenuous though, but apparently for the hardcore players on this forum questing and the time and effort put in the new zone are nothing.
Problem is, I can play through the story on the PTS for free and be done with the whole thing. Why should I buy the chapter if it doesn't offer me some new, long-lasting gameplay?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
CaptainBones✭✭£33 for the standard version and you get one zone and a companion feature that isn't needed for 99% of the game (and in the 1% it would be useful it can't be used).
How much were shivering isles, dawnguard and dragonborn when they first came out? Like £15 - £20 and look what you got with them. They were some of the best expansions I've played for a game all these years later. They were prime examples of how to do an expansion right. When you compare the standard version of Blackwood for £33 (or pretty much the price of a full game if you get the collectors version) then value looks pretty bad compared to those other TES expansions in the main-line games or literally any of the other big MMO's like WoW.
One zone and one new (almost useless) feature vs 5 zones (plus more in patches), covenants with their own unique armours and mounts, 4 covenant abilities for each of the 12 classes adding up to nearly 50 new abilities making up for the lack of a 13th class, renown system, torghast on top of other smaller features ect.
I always wanted this game to be as best as it possibly can be and want to support it because I'm really attached to the TES franchise but it's hard to justify the price for what you get.Edited by CaptainBones on January 27, 2021 6:40AM0 -
asuitandtyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭CaptainBones wrote: »£33 for the standard version and you get one zone and a companion feature that isn't needed for 99% of the game (and in the 1% it would be useful it can't be used).
How much were shivering isles, dawnguard and dragonborn when they first came out? Like £15 - £20 and look what you got with them. They were some of the best expansions I've played for a game all these years later. They were prime examples of how to do an expansion right. When you compare the standard version of Blackwood for £33 (or pretty much the price of a full game if you get the collectors version) then value looks pretty bad compared to those other TES expansions in the main-line games or literally any of the other big MMO's like WoW.
One zone and one new (almost useless) feature vs 5 zones (plus more in patches), covenants with their own unique armours and mounts, 4 covenant abilities for each of the 12 classes adding up to nearly 50 new abilities making up for the lack of a 13th class, renown system, torghast on top of other smaller features ect.
I always wanted this game to be as best as it possibly can be and want to support it because I'm really attached to the TES franchise but it's hard to justify the price for what you get.
No kidding. Pay a way lesser amount for Shadowlands, and you get an actual money's worth. WoW expansions release every two years, with nearly a dozen dungeons and a handful of raids. Even if you combine what ZoS produces in two years, you would get 2 full zones, and 2 half zones- so basically 3 zones, as well as 8 dungeons and 2 raids. When combining what ZoS can make in two years, that cumulative price would be $120, at base editions- Shadowlands costs $40. To be generous and fair, assuming you had a subscription in both, we can remove the Q4 price, which would still retail two years of ESO at $80.
That's not even mentioning that Shadowlands has all two year's worth of mounts and cosmetics earnable in-game. In ESO, those comparable items are primarily in the crown store, so more dollars added to that $120 or $80.Edited by asuitandtyb14_ESO on January 27, 2021 7:14AM6 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We have had free(literally) updates that were bigger than this.
Less is more isn't always true, ZOS.1 -
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Exactly this. I don't get why this isn't happening... Give us more weapons, it's unheard of for mmos that we can only use sticks as magicka users...People have been asking for magick melee and spears so long now. Its ruining my immersion to have so little choice in weapons when roleplaying. Adding new weapons would be trivial just don't make every set style use the new weapons onky add them to sets that make sense. Same thing going forward not every new set needs every weapon in it. This would give us so much variety in weapons at a low server cost.
Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr5 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭Because they showed some base game updates with new chapter, some people thinks its chapter content... jezuz...
what a fake marketingEdited by DarkPicture on January 27, 2021 8:17AM1 -
Ekzorka✭✭✭✭✭
You telling to stop complaining, but nobody stops a whining Twitter users who don't care about TES lore and forcing devs to adding a shi... questionable content.Its a bit underwhelming but it still offers stuff we also dont know what else will be included. Till then hold off and stop complaining.2 -
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✭Only reason I would buy is if the antiquities were good. Companions aren't too interesting to me, but who knows.
Definitely not getting my attention.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I hope you people stick to your guns! So I can quest away in relative peace and quiet.6 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Am I the only one who bought it just to play another great story.?
Haven't preordered yet, but I also care for story and lore most.
Although I hope the story will get a bit more original than the last ones... not sure about that yet.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake2 -
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✭✭✭I fail to see the problem. If you think that chapter isn't worth the money, just wait until it's a DLC or skip altogether.3 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I fail to see the problem. If you think that chapter isn't worth the money, just wait until it's a DLC or skip altogether.
Yep, if you're not interested, then simply don't buy it. It's not like they force you to.
Other people might like the content and pay for it. I'm sure there will be enough people, as Zeni probably does market research and knows what people would be interested in (even if it doesn't cater to everyones interests - it can't, because everyone has different expectations).@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's lackluster compared to previous chapters, but Matt Firor did say a while back, they are scaling down on content to focus on performance this year, it would have been better if this was reflected on the price as well though.2
