Yeah, if that's the case, I'll be leaving some choicely worded feedback about that...

Also, looks like LA might become weaker to Physical Damage, so... prepare for more Stamina dominance in PVP over Magicka.

I couldn't help but notice the Medium line didn't have any downside passive of any kind.

Not sure how hard it would be to make:

Light armor take 2% more damage from heavy, 1% more from medium
Medium take 1% more damage from light or heavy
Heavy take 2% more damage from light, 1 % more from medium.

and so on. Same with movement speed, sneak, etc. Every weight should have benefits and downsides, beyond the stat that is magically tied to the weight class.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

I couldn't help but notice the Medium line didn't have any downside passive of any kind.

Not sure how hard it would be to make:

Light armor take 2% more damage from heavy, 1% more from medium
Medium take 1% more damage from light or heavy
Heavy take 2% more damage from light, 1 % more from medium.

and so on. Same with movement speed, sneak, etc. Every weight should have benefits and downsides, beyond the stat that is magically tied to the weight class.

Heavy takes more from magic, they also get 2% per piece global damage reduction per piece wor while cc immune.
If anything heavy looks like it will remain meta.

I agree that it doesn't make sense that heavy armor would protect less against magic than other armor types. Penalties to stealth and possibly speed are logical and would seem to me to be enough.

It's the usual magicka guys complaining about everything. The system make sense and from what I've seen the passives are good

wait for the patch notes ffs

olsborg wrote: »

As long as proccs arent meta, im fine.

It seems like giving Medium altogether better passives (if they actually are in the greater context) is an indirect way of balancing Heavy's benefit over Medium in the lack of stat co-efficients for damage procs - or siege. This may better equalize the two weights without any adjustment to procs.

Apart from this Proc vs Armor Weight consideration, or if damage procs did one day get co-efficients: I'm all for giving Medium more defensive passives, and Heavy more offensive passives, especially if these passives can be construed to make sense from some RP perspective. I'll quote myself from the other thread - I'm fond of adjustments to undo the narrow rule that Medium = Damage and Heavy = Defense, and instead making it so that Medium = Agility and Heavy = Mass, with whatever benefits and penalties that idea might suggest.

In case of Heavy, the increased damage taken from magicka attack means much stronger burst from f.e the Sorcerer. We will see soon.

They should introduce speed penalties, too. Would also make sense in real life - the heavier the armour, the slower you are.
Light armour = no penalty
medium armour = 3% speed reduction each piece of medium armour
heavy armour = 5% speed reduction each piece of heavy armour

Faulgor wrote: »

Stahlor wrote: »

They should introduce speed penalties, too. Would also make sense in real life - the heavier the armour, the slower you are.
Light armour = no penalty
medium armour = 3% speed reduction each piece of medium armour
heavy armour = 5% speed reduction each piece of heavy armour

What we really need is the Dark Souls fat roll!

Stahlor wrote: »

They should introduce speed penalties, too. Would also make sense in real life - the heavier the armour, the slower you are.
Light armour = no penalty
medium armour = 3% speed reduction each piece of medium armour
heavy armour = 5% speed reduction each piece of heavy armour

it makes no sense, since medium armor is used by sneaky characters, thieves, etc...and there is already speed penalty for heavy armor.

Nissowolf wrote: »

Well...actually, yes.
You see, when you wear a dress, it's quite inefficient to run with it. Sure it's not as tiring as a heavier armor, since the weight is lesser, but the dress doesn't allow you to run as fast as when you wear something made for that.
And i talk about dress, but actually, you can see the difference, event when you wear a jean, or any clothing which isn't made for sport, your movements are restrained by the tissue. That's not the case when you're wearing a jogging, for instance.

That's the same problematic here, the light armors are, indeed, lighter than medium armors, and so it is logical to have a bonus that allow you to run longer than in medium armor. But it is not made for action, for the run, and so, medium armors will have no penalties to their speed, or their stamina cost.

I understand what you mean, but isn't that a bit picky? Easier to say, that all clothing is made for combat - doesn't matter how it looks like. Otherwise you'd have to say, that e.g. a bigger shield makes you slower than a smaller shield, but giving you more protection. Or one of these massive shoulder pieces disturbs much more in combat, than a smaller one in the same weight.

Don't like the changes to armour. Why do we need negatives, just give basic positive bonuses.

Shoehorning us to use 5 pieces of 1 'type' to take full advantage of the passives means we can't 'play as you want'

Please PC players, for the sake of us console players who can't be on PTS, please test this thoroughly and make voices heard