10 % is basically major protection now at all times!
The side *** they have also absorb alot of thier damage and thus bring thier mitigation up further, and even if you get them low, 1 button and they heal

Ranger209 wrote: »

I would say that the game is so broken on a macro scale that it is impossible to tell how broken any individual thing really is. nothing should be altered until the game is in a working state.

Nah. This is blatantly obvious. 3 top tier players couldn't kill a halfway decent ww if they wanted to. And any mediocre player instantly becomes top tier when they run it. These are just facts.

Proc sets are problem, not WW itself. Proc sets enable too much dmg on a tanky builds - because those sets provide dmg that scales with nothing. You can allocate everything into health & resistances and you will still dish out decent dmg. Nothing wrong with tanky builds that are very hard to kill. But if such builds have decent dmg too... then yeah...

WW is "tanky" by its design. It has passives to compensate a bit for lack of weapon passives and majority of class / guild passives you would have normally, outside of WW, and also very limited toolkit (only WW skills with no ulti, no CC immunity skill, purge etc).

Keep in mind that before Greymoor update WW was kinda useless and pointless (in both PvE & PvP). It was basically an RP meme. All ZOS did with in greymoor is that they added negative effect (criminal act) and one positive effect to WW skills. I do not believe that it was it that made WW strong in PvP. In that update they ales re-balanced proc sets (they simplified proc conditions and removed % proc chance form sets, to lessen server calculations). That alone made proc sets reliable all of the sudden. So even if they reduced dmg of those sets - they are still providing too much vs stat buffing sets.

TLD:
WW is strong in PvP right now, but not because of its passives or skills - it is because just like warden or necro or DK or any tanky class - it synergises well with dmg dealing proc sets that are over performing right now.

Imho all they need to do is to make proc sets to scale with... something. If it deal dmg then it should scale with max offensive stat. If it heals or provide dmg shield, then it should scale with max health.

mikey_reach wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Proc sets are problem, not WW itself. Proc sets enable too much dmg on a tanky builds - because those sets provide dmg that scales with nothing. You can allocate everything into health & resistances and you will still dish out decent dmg. Nothing wrong with tanky builds that are very hard to kill. But if such builds have decent dmg too... then yeah...

WW is "tanky" by its design. It has passives to compensate a bit for lack of weapon passives and majority of class / guild passives you would have normally, outside of WW, and also very limited toolkit (only WW skills with no ulti, no CC immunity skill, purge etc).

Keep in mind that before Greymoor update WW was kinda useless and pointless (in both PvE & PvP). It was basically an RP meme. All ZOS did with in greymoor is that they added negative effect (criminal act) and one positive effect to WW skills. I do not believe that it was it that made WW strong in PvP. In that update they ales re-balanced proc sets (they simplified proc conditions and removed % proc chance form sets, to lessen server calculations). That alone made proc sets reliable all of the sudden. So even if they reduced dmg of those sets - they are still providing too much vs stat buffing sets.

TLD:
WW is strong in PvP right now, but not because of its passives or skills - it is because just like warden or necro or DK or any tanky class - it synergises well with dmg dealing proc sets that are over performing right now.

Imho all they need to do is to make proc sets to scale with... something. If it deal dmg then it should scale with max offensive stat. If it heals or provide dmg shield, then it should scale with max health.

Ww proc or not its still pretty broken, my ww does not use proc sets and it can kill and survive all day long.

Yea, procs are really not what makes Werewolves so good. Most of them do not even use them and Crimson Guard alone does not make you king.

This is clearly about the passive potency they have and how dense their abilities are. In the sense that most of them carry a lot of secondary effects. I am convinced that Werewolf is too strong and easy considering its a 5 skill playstyle.

You do not need to barswap or manage 10 abilities to be successful. You instead have 5 very very strong abilities that are very straightforward and hence, require little to no skill to be very effective with.
And it shows. Werewolf makes bad players formidable, because it's the easiest build in the game and it gains way too much passive potency.

Despite saying that, I am mostly fine with them. They just need their immense survivability adjusted. Constant major protection and 10k resistences is strong. I also think the little wolves should no longer be solid objects that can bodyblock you. I can not kill them, so please make them "transparent" like most pets.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I also think the little wolves should no longer be solid objects that can bodyblock you. I can not kill them, so please make them "transparent" like most pets.

Pack Leader wolf pets are untargetable. I think it is like that since Elsweyr update.

As I said, I can not kill them/not target them, but they act as solid objects in the world that block your path and can get you stuck sometimes. They should be transparent since I can not kill them.

Solariken wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I also think the little wolves should no longer be solid objects that can bodyblock you. I can not kill them, so please make them "transparent" like most pets.

Pack Leader wolf pets are untargetable. I think it is like that since Elsweyr update.

Yeah they are untargetable now, but they constantly snare you with that generic NPC snare. The 10% free mitigation is enough for that morph they should just remove the puppies completely.

I would argue that the wolves are enough and the 10% mitigation is too much. I mean, it is too much, no matter how you view it.

Theres always something like this; gonna bet ZoS nerfs WW back into oblivion

WW is so overpowered it’s ridiculous. I’ve done over 100k of damage to a WW in 15 seconds and it’s absorbed by a couple howls followed by a pounce. WWs combined with health prof sets are a nightmare in Imperial City and impossible for a fair fight. A developer needs to spend an hour in IC and they’ll see how crazy it is. We need significant nerfs or significant damage buffs.