SilverBride wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.

That's a pretty extreme statement. If someone can afford to spend $100 for the crowns to buy a large house, and they do so for their own personal enjoyment, how is that immoral? People don't have to deny themselves things they can afford just because someone else can't.

You are putting your own words in my mouth. I didnt say its immoral. I only said its not always moral to do so (meaning it depends on the context). Big difference.

AlienMagi wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.

That's a pretty extreme statement. If someone can afford to spend $100 for the crowns to buy a large house, and they do so for their own personal enjoyment, how is that immoral? People don't have to deny themselves things they can afford just because someone else can't.

You are putting your own words in my mouth. I didnt say its immoral. I only said its not always moral to do so (meaning it depends on the context). Big difference.

Then please give an example of how someone spending their own money on something they want would not be moral, because I can't think of one.

Starlock wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.

That's a pretty extreme statement. If someone can afford to spend $100 for the crowns to buy a large house, and they do so for their own personal enjoyment, how is that immoral? People don't have to deny themselves things they can afford just because someone else can't.

You are putting your own words in my mouth. I didnt say its immoral. I only said its not always moral to do so (meaning it depends on the context). Big difference.

Then please give an example of how someone spending their own money on something they want would not be moral, because I can't think of one.

Doing that will probably be interpreted as treading into "politics" which isn't allowed here, but it is not at all difficult to come up with examples. Just think about it for a bit. While you're thinking about that, keep in your mind how all human societies have these things called laws. You'll figure it out.

Actually I can't figure it out... not in the context of spending money at the Crown store for a house or other items someone may want... which is in line with the topic of this thread.

Sheridan wrote: »

What did you expect? It's a whole island, after all.

If we did have the whole island to run around on and it mostly consisted of natural features — forest, waterfalls, beaches, rocky lava plains — and didn’t have pre-built architecture all over it, then I probably would buy it — ooh, especially if it also had a cave, a subterranean cave! As it is, I really like the area with the forest, waterfall and pools but don’t like the architecture that can’t be removed so at 15k Crowns it’s a pass for me.

Ellimist_Entreri wrote: »

Considered it, checked it out in preview. Invisiwalls everywhere = hard pass.
(Come on ZOS, why put walls blocking waterfalls the player can climb to? That's just rude.)

Just to clarify the quoted statement - I am referring to the waterfall in the screenshot below.
At the top of the ramp there is a rock the player can walk onto (without having to jump) that allows access to the top of the waterfall. Or at least it would were it not for an invisible wall ~after~ walking up the rock. This seems like a confusing level design decision to me - why would you allow the player to get that close to such an interesting build location just to block it off with an invisible wall?

Personally, in my opinion, for me - one of the most rewarding aspects of housing in ESO so far has been choosing an interesting section of the available landscape and building my own unique structure with the available furnishings (and within the available furnishing limit) to fit that location in a way that is functional, pleasant or interesting to look at and also fits with the theme of the home.

I see absolutely no reason why (should I add ~at this price-point~) there are invisible walls blocking off what is otherwise visibly in-bounds accessible terrain. If the player should not be able to access a location that should be visibly communicated to them through visible walls, fences, boulders, cliffs, hedges, and other obvious area borders - not invisible blocking volumes providing no way to know what is or isn't within playable bounds until you walk face first into it, many times only after purchase in the case of those in the air. The slaughterfish at the waters edge is a nice touch though!

~Final Notes~
I know I said Hard Pass originally, but after additional exploration and time to look it over I like the idea of the location and the scenery is indeed nice enough.

After caving in and purchasing the unfurnished variant (I was honestly curious as to how prevalent the invisible walls were throughout the property and do enjoy the scene as a whole), I can confirm that the invisible walls present prevent the majority of potential custom builds I had in mind after exploring the location in preview. In addition to the obvious ones the player can easily run into in preview mode, there are a large number of additional blocking volumes preventing the use of much of the air-space surrounding the property as well.

Good:
~Lots of room
~Moderate custom build potential
~Overall pleasant atmosphere and enjoyable scene

Bad:
~Invisible walls preventing access to what is visibly traversable terrain

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too. On top of that, you can pay for crowns. I know that you can trade in game gold for crowns but for me farming gold is hard and I rather spend it on other things. And as other have said, you have to be dedicated to save up on eso+ crowns in order to buy a house like this. I know that no one is forcing me to pay for eso but as a returning player, I still don't have access to all classes and previous chapters like new players. And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.

100% agreed. In wow 99% of the mounts, armor, weapons etc are all obtained by playing the game for 15 bucks.

15 bucks per month. And I remember some of the mount grinds back in the early days (Wintersaber rep, yaaaay )
Or stupidly rare raid drop mounts. Or trying to track down the Time-lost Proto-drake. Or...

And then, of course, they started selling mounts in their cash shop for money. (the early ones were for charity, I think?)

So, yeah. There's a bunch of stuff you can get in-game in WoW. But it's not all candy & roses.

i dont pay in wow, i buy game tokens with gold
wow cash mounts are a very small portion of the mounts you can get in game

there is 507 mounts in wow, 17 come from the cash store https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/family/world-of-warcraft#mounts
wow also has more varieties of mounts 144 different varieties not just reskins
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/gallery.php

u say wow is not candy and roses but they offer a lot more content and collections for 15 bucks a month or free if you pay tokens with gold like me then eso does. if wow is not candy and roses then how much worse is eso, lol

wow cost a lot less to play then eso

SilverBride wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

it’s kinda useful to have such a big house given to me through an event because it means I no longer even have a desire to purchase anymore houses therefore I will save money that way.

Receiving the free Antiquarian's Alpine Gallery had the opposite effect on me. It was my 4th house because I already had 3, and I have purchased 1 since... so far. I only have 2 large homes, though, and am now more interested in smaller homes in prime areas to make traveling easier... and to decorate, of course.

Actually I have to agree with you on this. I really, really wanted princely dawnlight palace at a stage. After recieving the psijic villa and it's cavernous spaces, I realized how boring a big house is if you can't furnish it properly. During the witches festival, I bought the Blackvine villa to get a quick entrance to Malabal Tor. I dumped all my witches festival stuff there and ended up making a fully furnished Witches cottage. It is delightfully cluttered and now I find the nicest homes to furnish (with ESO plus) are the "Classic" homes.

Edit: Sorry, this is a bit off topic.

As someone else has said, the pricing is not new. I've always found the cost of crowns in this game to be outrageous, and to be perfectly honest I feel like ZOS would see a lot more of my money if everything didn't cost so much. The trick to good pricing is to make it small enough that not everything is a major transaction, so people are more willing to part with their money for your product MORE OFTEN.

As it is, with every Crown purchase being a major event, I seldom ever buy anything now.

You know what I *would* pay that much for, though? A Dwemer airship Home that I can move. Maybe a suite on a ship that moves around?

Vanya wrote: »

There are all kinds of players, completionists,casual adventurers ,hardcore Dungeon/trial,PVP Runners RP's,Just story , lore enthusiasts ,etc, ESO is unbeleivably massive game, but from my perspective when you become "slave of game" focusing purely on items,acquisition of gear ,fueled to vanquish someone or gett title ignoring other things I feel sorry for them.

I don't understand your reasoning here. You acknowledge that there are all kinds of players, yet feel sorry for them for focusing on the aspects of the game they find most enjoyable. We don't have to participate in every single activity the game offers just because they are there.