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18,800 For Fully furnished home lol?
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BisDasBlutGefriert✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »
It's also near-impossible to safely trade that much gold for that many crowns. Even the Tamriel Crown Exchange doesn't do that on a regular basis- for the most expensive houses, you have to indicate interest and then they draw randomly from the pool of people interested. I would not trust doing it some other way (unless people have suggestions; I've got the gold but can't find anyone to sell be 15k crowns).
Hmmm....How much do you trust regulars on the forums here? @SidraWillowskyEdited by BisDasBlutGefriert on January 16, 2021 3:32AM~There’s a positive in every negative. Sometimes the positive is harder to find than other times, but there is ALWAYS one there~2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They gave us the psijic villa for free and I haven’t purchased a house since then.
Was it trully free? there is always a catch no? eiither some competition achievement or massive grind? how is it "free" I was not playing back then quite possibly in Top III homes Probably in mega expensive category
It was a server-wide Summerset PR event. Anyone who owned Summerset could do some tasks (get an explore achievement, something else) to contribute to a "0-100%" meter. If the meter filled up all the way during the event, everyone who owned Summerset at the time, got the house.
And since it was a promotional event, with a non-specified "100%" to finish, there was no way it was going to fail - it wouldn't fulfil Marketing's desires to have a big "celebrate the release of Summerset" event end in failure for the playerbase. Because that would be bad PR.
But yes, it was a limited time thing. To encourage people to buy Summerset. /shrug2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.
That's a pretty extreme statement. If someone can afford to spend $100 for the crowns to buy a large house, and they do so for their own personal enjoyment, how is that immoral? People don't have to deny themselves things they can afford just because someone else can't.Edited by SilverBride on January 16, 2021 6:50AMPCNA9 -
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✭✭✭✭I guess that statement is more related to other things in RL than ESO houses. I don't even want to know what some people who have too much money do with it...2 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As far as I know this game was [snip] aggressively monetized from start. As long as free rooms and gold purchasable cozy homes are available, selling whale palaces in ridiculous prices does not harm average player.
In my short experience in trading, a determined casual medicore player can earn enough gold to purchase anything in about time to fully feed a horse. (I admit Ive been I've been slacking and only nearing babbys 3rd million in 1/2 fed horse time.)
'Timesavers' has pontential to decrease game quality if monetizers get to decide grinds and QOL changes and real money gambling for game items actually harms some people. That kind of stuff can be a problem. But if limited time apex tinsel mounts could be purchased for 18000 crowns that would not be a problem at all.
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Vanya✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
I have one place like this and I got by using the bonus crowns thst csme from eso+. The Bastion Sanguinarios.
I imagine some of the people buying these places are doing the same and not purchasing the house alone
The level of patience there is impressive, you basically had to wait full year in order to purchase majestic home ,I know what you speak off ,one in Blackreach if one gets 1500 Per month with ESO plus that is Almost a year, little less was it 17,500 Fully furinished for Bastion?
Now,how many people will save 17,500 for entire year and not spend for anything else, plus you have to loyal subscriber for 11-12 months. Also get lucky then THAT House will be available soon too.Edited by Vanya on January 16, 2021 9:26AM0 -
KovalskyNestor✭✭✭As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too. On top of that, you can pay for crowns. I know that you can trade in game gold for crowns but for me farming gold is hard and I rather spend it on other things. And as other have said, you have to be dedicated to save up on eso+ crowns in order to buy a house like this. I know that no one is forcing me to pay for eso but as a returning player, I still don't have access to all classes and previous chapters like new players. And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.4 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭The thing is that buying these properties at such prices affects everyone who plays the game. ZOS sees that people are willing to pay an outrageous amount of real money for it, and they keep the prices extremely high, preventing your average Joe from buying it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand it's just the basics of economy.
Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.[/quote]
Then I guess in your eyes buying anything is immoral. Even if I go buy a hamburger, a lot of other people still can't afford it, guess I'm immoral since if we all aren't buying, the price will be lower and more people can afford it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KovalskyNestor wrote: »And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.
If people want to buy a house irl they have to work every day, sometimes at jobs they hate, to earn the money for it. And they often have to give up other things, like a new TV or a nice vacation, to do so. And most of them will not be able to afford a mansion, but rather will buy moderate homes.
That is real life, and the economics in ESO are very similar. Work for what you want and buy what you can afford.PCNA6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KovalskyNestor wrote: »As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too.
Yeah, if you've never played an MMO before, they're quite expensive. When I played WoW (vanilla thru Wrath), you needed to buy the game, the sub was required, and you paid for every expansion. Meanwhile, the "f2p" games that were out at the same time didn't have a sub, but had actual "pay 2 win" to survive their open-world pvp, had mounts that cost $50+ in the cash shop, had costumes that cost $30+ in the cash shop, etc. (ah, Perfect World / Shaiya / Forsaken World / etc).
I also played City Of Heroes with a required sub. Most other MMOs I've played, I did after they went f2p/b2p with an optional sub (SWtOR, STO, TERA, etc) Star Wars was another one where you needed to buy the game + expansions, and the sub was even more "required" than in ESO (you have a massive limit on how much gold you can carry, many fast travel methods are cut off, you have to pay to unlock things like "dye outfits" "hide helmet" and "wear gold-quality gear", etc. Much more inconvenience than just the ESO craft bag. At least during the year I played it.)On top of that, you can pay for crowns.
Of course, if you're subbing, there's little reason to unless you want to totally splurge on something big like a house.
...which is, of course, a secondary reason why ZOS has to keep coming up with more/new/different things in the cash shop - all the people subbing are getting 1650 (originally 1500) crowns each month. If there's nothing in the shop they want to buy, "and you get Crowns with your sub!" is no longer a useful sales pitch. Someone who's been subbing since release would have 67k+ Crowns to spend.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on January 16, 2021 4:16PM3 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »...ZOS has to keep coming up with more/new/different things in the cash shop - all the people subbing are getting 1650 (originally 1500) crowns each month. If there's nothing in the shop they want to buy, "and you get Crowns with your sub!" is no longer a useful sales pitch. Someone who's been subbing since release would have 67k+ Crowns to spend.
I saved all my crowns from subbing until I got the 12,500 I needed to purchase Serenity Falls Estate. I was able to do this because there was nothing on the Crown store I cared about. That is when the spending began.
I have since purchased crowns to purchase another house, and I frequently purchase items for my current 5 homes. Once you get into housing there is plenty to keep spending those 1650 crowns on.PCNA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KovalskyNestor wrote: »As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too. On top of that, you can pay for crowns. I know that you can trade in game gold for crowns but for me farming gold is hard and I rather spend it on other things. And as other have said, you have to be dedicated to save up on eso+ crowns in order to buy a house like this. I know that no one is forcing me to pay for eso but as a returning player, I still don't have access to all classes and previous chapters like new players. And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.
Credit where credit is due - the DLCs are perhaps the one thing in the cash shop that is appropriately priced. Their pricing being reasonable is part of why everything else looks so outrageous. If the scaled the DLCs to be more in synch with the value of the overpriced offerings elsewhere ($30 for a single motif - really?), they'd have to charge a couple hundred dollars minimum for every DLC pack.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
Yes, that's basically correct. That this pay-to-skip exists at all, though? Mmmph.
I remember back in the day when folks were better able to recognize this kind of stuff for what it is. Games used to be made, produced, and sold as complete products. Game makers didn't slice bits out to sell back to the customer later. In ESO, to access most motifs, you need to have purchased something from them already - either purchased the DLC or purchased a subscription to access the DLC. Back in the day, that was enough. You either earned the stuff from the product you purchased by actually playing the game or you did without. You didn't have the developer then re-sell you the same content you already bought to bypass annoying grinds that they built into the game. ESO does this with motifs, and it does it a lot with housing too. It's unfortunate this game doesn't have a more ethical monetization model. Meanwhile, games like Terraria cost $10 and have had totally free updates for years and no microtransactions... *sigh*1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile, games like Terraria cost $10 and have had totally free updates for years and no microtransactions... *sigh*
I'm not familiar with that game, but I bet that it also doesn't have even close to the graphics, zones, storylines, dungeons, trials, housing and most importantly the playerbase that ESO does. Otherwise we'd all be there instead of here.
Edit: I just looked that game up and, yea... you can't compare that to ESO or any other modern online game. Of course it's cheaper.Edited by SilverBride on January 16, 2021 8:44PMPCNA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Meanwhile, games like Terraria cost $10 and have had totally free updates for years and no microtransactions... *sigh*
I'm not familiar with that game, but I bet that it also doesn't have even close to the graphics, zones, storylines, dungeons, trials, housing and most importantly the playerbase that ESO does. Otherwise we'd all be there instead of here.
Edit: I just looked that game up and, yea... you can't compare that to ESO or any other modern online game. Of course it's cheaper.
I think you may be missing my point. The point isn't that games like Terraria and ESO are equivalents - the point is that it is very, very possible to have a very popular and successful game that offers continuous free updates and lots of quality of life improvements without charging customers for every little thing. If ESO housing worked like building does in Terraria, not only would it all be 100% free, you would have a special decorator mode where you could build the house of your wildest dreams without limitations. That's not a fair comparison though - the housing system in ESO is such a far cry from what Terraria is capable of it's not even a contest... haha. For ESO to get to that level, it would have to let players shape and transform the entire landscape of Tamriel. Which, don't get me wrong, would be amazing epic and spectacularly fun... but is never going to happen.2 -
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✭I still think it is ludicrous that a single, unnecessary, vanity house can be five or six times the price of a huge content-filled storyline DLC, even a DLC that's basically a retired Chapter.2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Meanwhile, games like Terraria cost $10 and have had totally free updates for years and no microtransactions... *sigh*
I'm not familiar with that game, but I bet that it also doesn't have even close to the graphics, zones, storylines, dungeons, trials, housing and most importantly the playerbase that ESO does. Otherwise we'd all be there instead of here.
Edit: I just looked that game up and, yea... you can't compare that to ESO or any other modern online game. Of course it's cheaper.
I think you may be missing my point. The point isn't that games like Terraria and ESO are equivalents - the point is that it is very, very possible to have a very popular and successful game that offers continuous free updates and lots of quality of life improvements without charging customers for every little thing.
You say that is a very popular and successful game, but I had never heard of it.
Sure you can buy cheaper games, but you get what you pay for. If you are happy playing a 2d game that looks like it came right out of the 70's, then go for it. But most people who are into gaming today expect a lot more, and are willing to pay for it.Edited by SilverBride on January 17, 2021 12:50AMPCNA2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't mind buying the Grand Topal Hideaway, but I've already got housing in that zone, so I'd rather wait and buy housing in a zone where I don't have any yet, such as the Gold Coast, Hews Bane, or Wrothgar.
I bought Wraithhome in Rivenspire last year because I had a lot of crowns, but I wish I'd spent them on Forgemaster Falls in Wrothgar instead, except I wasn't paying enough attention when it was available and missed it before I realized it was located in Wrothgar. So I'll skip the Grand Topal Hideaway and get the Linchal Grand Manor in the Gold Coast instead.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
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✭I don't find it outrageous or fair for that matter. There is a thing called "relative value". For my part, I would never spend crowns on it, firstly because I enjoy building my own furniture and secondly I can't justify spending real money, purely on housing. But that is my outlook and I don't need to impose it on others.
That being said, I do own this house. I subscribe to eso+. I am a member of several guilds, eso+ lets me enjoy all content with them, have a crafting bag for my grandmaster crafters and hoard stuff to sell in my trading guild. A byproduct of the subscription is crowns.
When I saw this house, I immediately wanted it but, I let the opportunity to buy pass and began to save my subscription crowns. I bought it a year later and created furnishings with ingame gold. For me I enjoy the large beachfront site with multiple small structures. It allows me to furnish, room by room as I earn gold and my lighting effects and furnishings appear cosy instead of disappearing into cavernous vaulted spaces.
Time is money they say. If you don't have the patience to wait, and feel compelled to spend real money on crowns for a fully furnished house, then it's your prerogative to feel outraged. Not everyone feels that way though and it makes the world an interesting place.Edited by Ryath_Waylander on January 17, 2021 6:35AM2 -
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But some of the complaining is from new players.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »/meh
These houses aren't new, these prices aren't new, these complaints aren't new.
Tangible items that can last a lifetime, or even out last a lifetime can not be compared to an over priced digital item that goes "POOF" when the game shuts down.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Personally, I just put it in the same category as $500+ 'designer' jeans, $1k+ diamond-studded bras, and $500k supercars - not targeted at me, priced silly, no reason to bother with it or pay attention to it. /shrug
Agreed. But smaller homes do not seem to make as much profit and this is seemingly all ZOS cares about.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »(that said, it'd be nice if they released a few more smaller houses for every Super Luxury one they put out.)
It's also very hard to decorate specifically because of the furnishing limits. I can blow 300 items in the front yard and it barely be recognizable as something a player added.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »I've got one super-huge house, the free one from the Summerset event. It's very large, and hard to decorate (not because of furniture limits, but because of how specific all the architecture is.)
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✭✭✭✭✭Tangible items that can last a lifetime, or even out last a lifetime can not be compared to an over priced digital item that goes "POOF" when the game shuts down.
Have you ever gone on vacation? Paid for a plane ticket, hotel, food? That goes "POOF" when you get back home. You aren't left with anything tangible. But you did have fun, and that's what it was all about.PCNA9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
I have one place like this and I got by using the bonus crowns thst csme from eso+. The Bastion Sanguinarios.
I imagine some of the people buying these places are doing the same and not purchasing the house alone
The level of patience there is impressive, you basically had to wait full year in order to purchase majestic home ,I know what you speak off ,one in Blackreach if one gets 1500 Per month with ESO plus that is Almost a year, little less was it 17,500 Fully furinished for Bastion?
Now,how many people will save 17,500 for entire year and not spend for anything else, plus you have to loyal subscriber for 11-12 months. Also get lucky then THAT House will be available soon too.
Yes. Fully furnished. I knew I wanted a majestic home that was super nice, just didn't know when I'd want to pull the trigger. I did end up having to supplement what I saved with a little extra cash but it was way easier because I was only a teeny bit short.
I purchased crowns with coins too, so other temptations weren't a huge issue.
If you want to make a purchase like this one, I recommend ignoring the tempation to spend your own eso+ crowns. Spend coins to buy from reputable sellers or miss out on the item in the store entirely (I missed out on some things that I wanted that were smaller). And then you'll eventually have enough crowns to have a nice beautiful place that you really want.Edited by spartaxoxo on January 17, 2021 10:11PM1 -
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✭✭✭KovalskyNestor wrote: »As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too. On top of that, you can pay for crowns. I know that you can trade in game gold for crowns but for me farming gold is hard and I rather spend it on other things. And as other have said, you have to be dedicated to save up on eso+ crowns in order to buy a house like this. I know that no one is forcing me to pay for eso but as a returning player, I still don't have access to all classes and previous chapters like new players. And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.
100% agreed. In wow 99% of the mounts, armor, weapons etc are all obtained by playing the game for 15 bucks. In ESO trying to capture that same level of character customization has caused me to spend as much in 3 years as I did in wow for the entirety of me playing the gameSilverBride wrote: »Tangible items that can last a lifetime, or even out last a lifetime can not be compared to an over priced digital item that goes "POOF" when the game shuts down.
Have you ever gone on vacation? Paid for a plane ticket, hotel, food? That goes "POOF" when you get back home. You aren't left with anything tangible. But you did have fun, and that's what it was all about.
Did I argue those points? No, I argued tangible items with examples.1 -
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✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Tangible items that can last a lifetime, or even out last a lifetime can not be compared to an over priced digital item that goes "POOF" when the game shuts down.
Have you ever gone on vacation? Paid for a plane ticket, hotel, food? That goes "POOF" when you get back home. You aren't left with anything tangible. But you did have fun, and that's what it was all about.
Exactly, the value they are getting out of the experience is nothing tangible, but the memory of the experience. This is the same thing. When the game goes offline, and we loose everything, the only thing we are left with are memories of our experiences in this game.
To some people, those experiences are only worth $15 bucks. To others, $180 is just a drop in a bucket.1 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Tangible items that can last a lifetime, or even out last a lifetime can not be compared to an over priced digital item that goes "POOF" when the game shuts down.
Have you ever gone on vacation? Paid for a plane ticket, hotel, food? That goes "POOF" when you get back home. You aren't left with anything tangible. But you did have fun, and that's what it was all about.
Exactly, the value they are getting out of the experience is nothing tangible, but the memory of the experience. This is the same thing. When the game goes offline, and we loose everything, the only thing we are left with are memories of our experiences in this game.
To some people, those experiences are only worth $15 bucks. To others, $180 is just a drop in a bucket.
Tis why I save thousands ,tens of thousands of images and record as much as I can to remember more. I wish to remember , ultimately unless you are Super-human you cannot recall all. My plan is to include most of the content. Mega Archive, also wiki lore page is really priceless,all of data there.simply incredible. I know some players who are recording every single day of their adventures ,even from a moment their started that is what I did ,Today for instance 7 hours+ of Greymoor story.But in theory game can last "forever" as long someone can keep up servers alive and maintain it, It does not need to be the end,I recorded it all my entire journey from 1- 50 then i will return on other char or continue on current to record storyline or some random things. Imagine having all that data saved and re watching your favorite moments , I hope wikia is not closed, enormous amount of lore,dialogue gorgousness etc, must not be erased. If games dies, ultimately we will be left with recorded data or written text ,saved/images.Edited by Vanya on January 17, 2021 11:29PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KovalskyNestor wrote: »As someone who has played since beta, ESO is truly one of the most expensive games I have ever played. First we pay for the base game, then if you want access to all dlc's you should probably sub because all dlc's are very expensive and if you want to play the latest chapter you have to pay a good chunk of money for that too. On top of that, you can pay for crowns. I know that you can trade in game gold for crowns but for me farming gold is hard and I rather spend it on other things. And as other have said, you have to be dedicated to save up on eso+ crowns in order to buy a house like this. I know that no one is forcing me to pay for eso but as a returning player, I still don't have access to all classes and previous chapters like new players. And If I ever wanted to buy a house I have to either spend my hours farming gold or pay a sub and miss out on other crown store items.
100% agreed. In wow 99% of the mounts, armor, weapons etc are all obtained by playing the game for 15 bucks.
15 bucks per month. And I remember some of the mount grinds back in the early days (Wintersaber rep, yaaaay
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Or stupidly rare raid drop mounts. Or trying to track down the Time-lost Proto-drake. Or...
And then, of course, they started selling mounts in their cash shop for money. (the early ones were for charity, I think?)
So, yeah. There's a bunch of stuff you can get in-game in WoW. But it's not all candy & roses.3