It won't work the way you describe. Crushing Weapon (or Ele Weapon) -> Skill -> light attack does NOT work. Crushing Weapon times out before that. Crystal Weapon should work however.

You'll get a stun by attacking from crouch, but ganking would probably stop you from pre-buffing with Hurricane. Not ideal, if you subsequently become embroiled in a melee fight.

In general I find stamsorc weak. My friend will kill me on his DK, he is becoming better than me, but recently returned to stamsorc, which he loves. He is now running a Vateshran 2H build, a fairly meta thing to do. He runs Dizzying Swing and I'm pretty sure he also runs Crystal Weapon for the burst. He couldn't kill me. For whatever reason stamsorc is weak or the two of us haven't figured it out. He had 6K peak weapon damage and a 4K weapon damage DK is stronger in duels. Go figure.

In terms of healing power, stamsorc feels different from other classes. It can feel great, primarily in melee range (Crit Surge + Hurricane), or you're suddenly dead. Never underestimate the nice, consistent healing coming in from a skill like DKs Cauterize. Healing from attacking, all those skills you mention plus Crit Surge, that only works while you are on the attack. If you're on the defensive on a stamsorc, you can easily end up in trouble. Specifically I find a medium armor stamsorc vulnerable to being sniped in a way that, for example, my DK is not. You're very reliant on figuring out where that snipe is coming from and either stunning the sniper or getting the hell out of there by streaking in the opposite direction. You have 2 to 3 streaks in a row at most, by the way.

My solution has been to build into health regen, which fills in the gaps in healing where Crit Surge and healing from attack fails you. I suppose I made a "mistake" by not using Rally, only Crit Surge and Vigor. My way is clearly not the only way to build, but for what it's worth: Eternal Vigor was made for stamsorc. It supports Streak and Dark Deal and gives you health regen when you need it. I pair it with Troll King. I count Dark Deal as a sustain skill, not a heal. You can't dodge roll and Dark Deal simultaneously. Dark Deal will not get you out of a jam the way a proper healing skill can.

My other two sets are attacking ones, a vMA 2H and Sheer Venom bow. It's a silly potato killer build, but I can confirm that staying on the attack by using Crit Rush works pretty well. Since the skill always crits and always lands, absent the target constantly dodge rolling, it always heals.

Back to the bow buid, I think it makes sense to try it, but I haven't gotten around to it myself, unfortunately.

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Waffennacht wrote: »

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Excellent! This is just the kind of thing I was looking for. Seems like it works quite well. Obviously you use different sets than I was suggesting, but the concept is essentially the same.

Did you try it with Snipe? Seems like it would have bigger burst damage but be harder to pull off logistically, and Snipe being a channel isn’t great defensively. Obviously you chose to use Poison Injection, but I’m wondering if you tried Snipe and, if so, what your thoughts were about it. Do you know if it is actually possible to do Crystal Weapon —> Crushing Weapon —> Snipe —> LA and have the Crushing Weapon damage still apply?

Hesperax79 wrote: »

I tried this build on my orc stamsorc. Not absolutely bad, but the damage output is too slow. It is ok in zergsurfing on cyro / killsteal in BG, but the damage is too slow in duell.

Slow or low?

One thing that caught my attention is when Waffenacht mentioned he keeps buffing with Crystal plus Crushing, so he basically has a light attack / Poison Injection ready most times. That sounds more playable than the elaborate combo envisaged by the OP, even if it doesn't include a CC.

I agree, though. It very much sounds like a build without enough punch in a duel against a serious opponent. Not that I disagree with the build philosophy. I play open world builds that have exactly that problem, but a more conventional build which combines pressure with Dawnbreaker / CC / Executioner is bound to be better in a duel IMO.

Incidentally, I've run into a bow DK that melted me in a duel, but that DK used 4 DOTs, Claw, Breath, Poison Injection and Acid Spray in addition to two proc sets and Toxic Barrage as well as Fossilize. Different approach, obviously.

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/549176/updated-for-markarth-stamina-sorcerer-circuit-breaker#latest

Excellent! This is just the kind of thing I was looking for. Seems like it works quite well. Obviously you use different sets than I was suggesting, but the concept is essentially the same.

Did you try it with Snipe? Seems like it would have bigger burst damage but be harder to pull off logistically, and Snipe being a channel isn’t great defensively. Obviously you chose to use Poison Injection, but I’m wondering if you tried Snipe and, if so, what your thoughts were about it. Do you know if it is actually possible to do Crystal Weapon —> Crushing Weapon —> Snipe —> LA and have the Crushing Weapon damage still apply?

Didnt try snipe because of the cast time (but mostly cuz I detest the desync)

I doubt it'd be pulled off fast enough.

Way of fire because it adds upfront burst on that same LA as crystal and weapon.

Enchantment + Fire + Crystal + weapon + LA damage (which is bugged and buffs the hell outta medium attacks) + injection (which continues to proc fire) = dead players

Edit: in a duel probably will just get blocked lol

I personally have a bow sorc that plays similarly to a non pet mag sorc just replace shields with vigor, run shuffle for aoe resists and snare removal, frags with bound arraments and force pulse/ele weapon with crystal weapon. You don’t have curse but you can supplement that burst with utility, skills like poison injection with master bow or use snipe.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@fred4 is absolutely correct (at least from my BG no CP experience) ESP in this meta.

You target squishy mostly unaware opponents. Its like a Snipe/gank build but without Desync.

The one thing Id note is:

Crystal, Weapon LA, Injection, Crystal LA Weapon

Is only a 2 GCD interface.

The first two abilities are pre engagement; so LA injection is the first hit on opponent then they can react. Crystal LA weapon is essentially another GCD.

That is decent pressure, then Inject keeps Proccing Way of Fire (I need to test if that procs enchantment or not, prob not...)


ALL that being said...

The Bug makes the attack way more powerful than it ahould be and probably is enough to kill a ton of players

Thanks! Out of curiosity, what’s the bug that you are referring to?

Waffennacht wrote: »

Is only a 2 GCD interface.

Many of experienced people make instant dodge roll after the first hit and you are in trouble. And the crystal weapon have a visible sign and give a rythm to my attack.. And if the enemy are experienced, can make a dodge roll in the right time, and the archer are screwed.

Personally I am a big fan of archery type gameplay (thanx WoW!) but I do not see any viable bow-bow PvP build but the Vateshran ganger or kill-stealer zergsurfer. But if you have any, please share

This theory crafting has intrigued me the since @Waffennacht first posted his build video. A while after watching it I tested layering snipe with a medium weave and crystal weapon, and it seems like it could be a solid foundation for a burst as well.

Much like dizzy swing, you can charge a medium attack during Snipe's cast time, releasing it the instant snipe fires, and triggering Crystal weapon when the medium lands. Thus, you get snipe, medium attack, weapon enchant, and Crystal weapon damage virtually simultaneously.

For a build, I'm thinking Senche's Bite back bar, way of fire front bar, Sellistrix. The combo:
Roll Proc Senche,
Shealth,
bar swap,
crystal,
Snipe,
charge medium,
snipe fires,
release medium.

You get:
Snipe with guaranteed buffed crit and stun from stealth
+Medium attack
+Crystal weapon
+Weapon enchant
+Way of fire
+Possible Sellistrix damage after 1.5 seconds if your target doesn't break free and move quickly enough.

I might be too lazy to try it out, but it's fun to think about. Any thoughts?

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Has anyone tried to make a Stam Sorc bow burst build?

The concept would basically be to stack Crystal Weapon and Crushing Weapon together, and use a light attack right after a Focused Aim. Basically, you’d have Focused Aim, Crystal Weapon, Crushing Weapon, a light attack, and an enchant all hit at once. You could add Overload to this to make the burst hit even harder due to a harder hitting light attack. To make this work well, you’d likely need some kind of ranged stun, but you could get that either with Rune Cage or Magnum Shot. So the combo would be Crystal Weapon —> Rune Cage —> Focused Aim —> Light Attack —> Crushing Weapon (before the LA hits).

I was thinking the gear for this could be something like: 5 NMA, 3 Agility, 1 Malacath, 1 Trainee, and 2 Engine Guardian.

You then could have a skill set up like this:

Front Bar: Focused Aim, Crystal Weapon, Crushing Weapon, Rune Cage OR Magnum Shot, Bound Armaments, Overload (either morph)
Back Bar: Dark Deal, Resolving Vigor, Power Surge, Hurricane, Streak OR Ball of Lightning, Atronach OR Temporal Guard

As mentioned above, the burst on this build should be quite good. And if you don’t quite finish someone off with the burst, you should be able to get a quick follow up by using another light attack and then Crystal or Crushing Weapon before it hits, or with Bound Armaments. Meanwhile, being a bow Stam Sorc with Streak and ideally an Orc wearing all well-fitted, the mobility would incredibly good. I think you could probably build in tons of damage into the build and rely on Dark Deal, Engine Guardian, and heavy attacks for sustain (note that you could basically infinitely sustain a Crystal Weapon —> Heavy Attack —> Crushing Weapon combo). And the self-healing on the build should actually be pretty good. Rune Cage, Crystal Weapon, and Crushing Weapon all heal you when they hit. You’d have a very strong Vigor. Engine Guardian heals a lot when it is the heal proc. And while you have Malacath, you can still crit heal and you’ll have a decent crit rate from medium armor, so Power Surge will add some healing too. Wearing medium armor, you’d be a bit vulnerable to burst damage, but you can build in decent health on a Sorc, Engine Guardian is OP at blocking burst on you, and you’d be able to rely on mobility and kiting.

I’m wondering if anyone has tried this. I really prefer ranged builds in ESO, and so I’ve just always disliked stamina builds, but this seems like it’d be strong. Granted, it wouldn’t burst down some 40k health Werewolf, but nothing will and it seems like it would be fun.

I tried it myself, though I used different sets if I remmember clearly. Anyway, build works as intended and it was melying people. I only had 2 problems. First it is very telegraphic thus very predictable and easly avoided , you need to be in stealth or hit unawre targets to kill most of the times. Second, combo prep take a long times considering it is easly avoided, thus make it very bad in normal fights and resources strain. You can only hit a target once with this combo, they either die or live. Targets who survive realize that combo does a lot of damage so they block or dodge it all the time.

Grimlok_S wrote: »

@Waffennacht I was going to ask if you had tried Poisonous Serpent over Way of Fire, as it's medium and similar 5pc burst and doesn't "waste" the crit line.. The wording looks like the poison inject dot will continually proc way of fire? Not sure if that would be better or worse, Serpent hitting alongside your Crystal Inject or Fire continuing to do it's thing while you kite and heal

Pain to farm, but I really liked this set on DK during the last aprocalypse.

Unfortunately don't have that set to test.

I've been playing this sometimes since the new Chrystal Weapons, but as the others said, it is just for zerging/ ganking. StamSorcs are the second best gankers in Cyro at the moment, but you need proper target selection skills nowadays to find that one player who is NOT on a tanky or full tank build.