WHAT. THE. HELL. Is Wrong With the NA ESO Servers?

KyleTheYounger · January 2021

Have they finally been afflicted with Covid?

Continuous service disconnect for almost a WEEK now FFS. ZoS, I work FT, I don't have time to waste trying to trouble shoot this crap over the holiday season. I'd rather spend 100% of my time PLAYING the game ZoS. Especially since I PAID you for said experience with ESO Plus subscription. Can you see why I'm so upset and apparently overreacting?

NO Zos_BillE. This DOES NOT WORK:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518186/constant-disconnects-from-the-server

Isn't it ironic how the best up to date information about this chronic systemic issue should be posted by a NON ZoS source?

https://www.product-reviews.net/down/elder-scrolls-online-server-issues/

YES. Google is your bff. Already did my homework with all these and MORE:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8hi1an/game_keeps_disconnecting_pc/

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/421913/constant-disconnects

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4320

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/

Yet NONE of them work. WTF am I being held hostage by ZoS servers when I've PAID $$$$ to play on their servers with ESO Plus?

This is some premium, vintage grade bull$$ ZoS. Kindly address my inability to remain connected to your servers. NONE OF MY OTHER ONLINE GAMES HAVE THIS ISSUE.

NO. NOTHING is wrong with my TOP END, 64bit Win 10 OS PC. Which btw, EATS game breaking bugs and glitches from resource intensive games like CP 2077, RDR2/RDRO, GTAO/GTA V, KCD and my heavily modded Skyrim/FO4 games for appetizer.

NO. NOTHING is wrong with my ultra fast 3TB SSD devoted exclusive to playing/performance of online gaming.

NO. NOTHING is wrong with my 128GB 3.2GHz RAM or Nvidia Quadro RTX 8000 GPU. BOTH devoted exclusively to enhancing the performance of online gaming.

NO. NOTHING is wrong with my 50MBps cable connection. Devoted exclusively to enhancing the performance of online gaming.

IT'S YOUR SERVERS ZoS.

I'd greatly appreciate a response to my ticket once your CS returns from the holidays. Or whatever lockdown plane in Oblivion they've been vacationing/banished in.

Jeezus. It increasingly seems I really need to listen to Murphy's Law and heed the call of Mother Nature. Lockdown Bull$$$ be <CENSORED> . Turn off my PC and go interact with the real world outside.

Raegwyr · January 2021

Sounds like zos finally adjust na server to be the same performance wise as eu server. Congrats!

shadyjane62 · January 2021

What he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^.

Anotherone773 · January 2021

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Miszou · January 2021

50 MBPS cable connection....

Here's mine and I don't have any issues whatsoever. Just sayin'....

Raegwyr · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Yeah, you must be right. Apparently a lot of players change something on their side since markarth because crashing intensifies after that release (coinicende of course). And Cyro performance is also fault of all players because nobody have nasa computer required to play cyro without lag, right?

Mancombe_Nosehair · January 2021

My old laptop crashed repeatedly. I could usually do one short random normal or a battleground without crashing. I used to log out back to the character selection screen then log back in again before doing anything major.

Then, four weeks ago, I upgraded my laptop. Since then, I have had precisely one crash.

What a lot of people don't take account of is the increase in the size of the game for every new chapter or zone. It means that your pc will get slower with each update, hence why the game seems to get less responsive after every new zone. The game is huge, much bigger than just a couple of years ago.

I hadn't noticed this until I upgraded my own laptop. It's like playing a completely new game.

Anotherone773 · January 2021

Raegwyr wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Yeah, you must be right. Apparently a lot of players change something on their side since markarth because crashing intensifies after that release (coinicende of course). And Cyro performance is also fault of all players because nobody have nasa computer required to play cyro without lag, right?

Well if you want to open that door...

1) My wife plays on a computer that was built in 2009. That PC has i7-860(that is one of the early generations of i7s), 8 GB of RAM, GTX 650, and a 1TB Raid 0 HDD.
2) I play on a I7-8700, 32GB ram, GTX 1070, and a 1TB 970 plus M.2 SSD.
We should be able to agree neither of these PCs are NASA grade...as you say. Mine is a mid grade( now) gaming rig and my wifes is a bit out of date.

We have spent more than 100 hours between us( at least 30 on her PC alone) in The Reach. We have crashed ZERO times. Also have been in Cyro, battlegrounds, dungeons, and other zones and have ZERO crashes. Cyro does have some weird lag once in a while that doesn't show up in FPS or Ping but i can play anywhere in this game on both computers without issue.

The number of people who complain on these forums about these issues is extremely minor. If there was a server side problem, as i said, there would be threads of irate players just like when a server crashes. But these isolated incidents are in fact, 99% of the time, on the users end. And instead of trying to figure out why, they just bash ZOS instead because that is way easier and requires no effort on their part to solve. So throw a fit and hope someone fixes my problem.

One thing many people seem to fail to understand about MMOs are they constantly progress forwards. The devs arent using the same software they did in 2014. They are using modern tools to create new zones. They are making these zones on software that is incapable of being stuck in 2014. This means that game requires better hardware gradually over time.

The people who complain about how much worse the game is getting are usually people who don't ever upgrade their computers. Technology is something you have to keep up with. The older the hardware you run the lower your settings need to be and the more care you need to take in what you do to put a load on your PC. You might be fine doing a 30 man dolmen but doing a 20 man harrowstorm could tank your system.

As the game progresses if your performance goes down you need to either upgrade your pc or lower your settings to compensate. This is the nature of MMOs and this one really shows it because it is such a resource heavy MMO anyway so it can quickly get away from you with just a chapter or two.

There can be many reason for your crashes, however the OP said disconnects not crashes. Those are vastly different issues.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Yeah, you must be right. Apparently a lot of players change something on their side since markarth because crashing intensifies after that release (coinicende of course). And Cyro performance is also fault of all players because nobody have nasa computer required to play cyro without lag, right?

Well if you want to open that door...

1) My wife plays on a computer that was built in 2009. That PC has i7-860(that is one of the early generations of i7s), 8 GB of RAM, GTX 650, and a 1TB Raid 0 HDD.
2) I play on a I7-8700, 32GB ram, GTX 1070, and a 1TB 970 plus M.2 SSD.
We should be able to agree neither of these PCs are NASA grade...as you say. Mine is a mid grade( now) gaming rig and my wifes is a bit out of date.

We have spent more than 100 hours between us( at least 30 on her PC alone) in The Reach. We have crashed ZERO times. Also have been in Cyro, battlegrounds, dungeons, and other zones and have ZERO crashes. Cyro does have some weird lag once in a while that doesn't show up in FPS or Ping but i can play anywhere in this game on both computers without issue.

The number of people who complain on these forums about these issues is extremely minor. If there was a server side problem, as i said, there would be threads of irate players just like when a server crashes. But these isolated incidents are in fact, 99% of the time, on the users end. And instead of trying to figure out why, they just bash ZOS instead because that is way easier and requires no effort on their part to solve. So throw a fit and hope someone fixes my problem.

One thing many people seem to fail to understand about MMOs are they constantly progress forwards. The devs arent using the same software they did in 2014. They are using modern tools to create new zones. They are making these zones on software that is incapable of being stuck in 2014. This means that game requires better hardware gradually over time.

The people who complain about how much worse the game is getting are usually people who don't ever upgrade their computers. Technology is something you have to keep up with. The older the hardware you run the lower your settings need to be and the more care you need to take in what you do to put a load on your PC. You might be fine doing a 30 man dolmen but doing a 20 man harrowstorm could tank your system.

As the game progresses if your performance goes down you need to either upgrade your pc or lower your settings to compensate. This is the nature of MMOs and this one is really shows it because it is such a resource heavy MMO anyway so it can quickly get away from you with just a chapter or two.

There can be many reason for your crashes, however the OP said disconnects not crashes. Those are vastly different issues.

So you're saying...

I8700k at 5.2ghz...
4TB storage SSD no HDD.
32gb ram
2080

Is not enough for ESO? I see issues in the game only but every other mmo i play is just fine... Issues are on ZoS end clearly... Since my system does not lock up or reboot on its own nor does it have any issues besides when I play ESO in Cyrodill god that place is just spicy butthole of lag.

But everything else works minus missing skill points with zero ETA on a fix.

sunshineflame · January 2021

Is your computer plugged in...

Raegwyr · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

The number of people who complain on these forums about these issues is extremely minor. If there was a server side problem, as i said, there would be threads of irate players just like when a server crashes. But these isolated incidents are in fact, 99% of the time, on the users end. And instead of trying to figure out why, they just bash ZOS instead because that is way easier and requires no effort on their part to solve. So throw a fit and hope someone fixes my problem.

Don't know where did you find that data, i saw a ton of complaints, now ppl post a lot less because devs didn't respond, they just close or ban users here. Most of discussions went to discord servers where zos staff cannot silence players.
And no, if even zos is acknowledging they are working on performance then that simply mean that something can (and should) be fixed on their side.
I have i7-8750, 32gb ram, rtx2070 and zero problems with any online or single player game (same story for a lot of my friends who crashed constantly for whole month after markath release). What you are talking about is more related to Murkmire release when ppl got lower fps in the new area because it required just better hardware. Performance of cyro or crashes after the markarth have nothing to do with this.
Also if you cannot prove your statement with some data (that eso problems is indeed related mostly to users hardware) then i will stay with "it is a zos fault" reasoning as if even the developers admits that their optimalization is really bad (they admit that in 2019 and do the whole year of performance improvements that didn't help, then they spoke about 2021 as a year of performance improvements vol. 2) then I can suspect you have less data then the actual devs and indeed you don't know what you are talking about

Anotherone773 · January 2021

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Yeah, you must be right. Apparently a lot of players change something on their side since markarth because crashing intensifies after that release (coinicende of course). And Cyro performance is also fault of all players because nobody have nasa computer required to play cyro without lag, right?

Well if you want to open that door...

1) My wife plays on a computer that was built in 2009. That PC has i7-860(that is one of the early generations of i7s), 8 GB of RAM, GTX 650, and a 1TB Raid 0 HDD.
2) I play on a I7-8700, 32GB ram, GTX 1070, and a 1TB 970 plus M.2 SSD.
We should be able to agree neither of these PCs are NASA grade...as you say. Mine is a mid grade( now) gaming rig and my wifes is a bit out of date.

We have spent more than 100 hours between us( at least 30 on her PC alone) in The Reach. We have crashed ZERO times. Also have been in Cyro, battlegrounds, dungeons, and other zones and have ZERO crashes. Cyro does have some weird lag once in a while that doesn't show up in FPS or Ping but i can play anywhere in this game on both computers without issue.

The number of people who complain on these forums about these issues is extremely minor. If there was a server side problem, as i said, there would be threads of irate players just like when a server crashes. But these isolated incidents are in fact, 99% of the time, on the users end. And instead of trying to figure out why, they just bash ZOS instead because that is way easier and requires no effort on their part to solve. So throw a fit and hope someone fixes my problem.

One thing many people seem to fail to understand about MMOs are they constantly progress forwards. The devs arent using the same software they did in 2014. They are using modern tools to create new zones. They are making these zones on software that is incapable of being stuck in 2014. This means that game requires better hardware gradually over time.

The people who complain about how much worse the game is getting are usually people who don't ever upgrade their computers. Technology is something you have to keep up with. The older the hardware you run the lower your settings need to be and the more care you need to take in what you do to put a load on your PC. You might be fine doing a 30 man dolmen but doing a 20 man harrowstorm could tank your system.

As the game progresses if your performance goes down you need to either upgrade your pc or lower your settings to compensate. This is the nature of MMOs and this one is really shows it because it is such a resource heavy MMO anyway so it can quickly get away from you with just a chapter or two.

There can be many reason for your crashes, however the OP said disconnects not crashes. Those are vastly different issues.

So you're saying...

I8700k at 5.2ghz...
4TB storage SSD no HDD.
32gb ram
2080

Is not enough for ESO? I see issues in the game only but every other mmo i play is just fine... Issues are on ZoS end clearly... Since my system does not lock up or reboot on its own nor does it have any issues besides when I play ESO in Cyrodill god that place is just spicy butthole of lag.

But everything else works minus missing skill points with zero ETA on a fix.

There could be 100 reasons why someone is having issues even on a "good" PC. Ive seen people have problems with games for really stupid reasons that was purely out of their own ignorance( not meant in a derogatory way). Some of these were:

* Didn't change firewall settings.
* Graphics card is about 3 major updates behind
* Undetected virus that consumed resources.
* Didn't update windows.
* Windows update broke PC. ( that does happen sometimes)
* Have two different speeds of RAM installed( did it themselves and didnt know what they was doing)
* Web Browser running in background and consumed over 50% of memory alone. My wife use to be notorious for this one. One time i closed 44 tabs on her browser. Her PC sighed with relief when i was done.

I can do this all day as i moonlighted as a PC tech for more than a decade. People use to bring me their PCs and it was almost always something stupid when it came to issues they could swear was a defective piece of hardware or software ruined their PC. Most of the time it was just something they messed up unintentionally.

Altaire · January 2021

Some are still saying it's "Stadia" that's the cause.
Problems started when that APP came out live.

Davor · January 2021

I am sorry. It seems I did it again. I just came back after a while off, just got ESO+. It seems every time I get ESO+ it seems to lag. When I don't get ESO+ I have a good connection.

Tandor · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

Yeah, you must be right. Apparently a lot of players change something on their side since markarth because crashing intensifies after that release (coinicende of course). And Cyro performance is also fault of all players because nobody have nasa computer required to play cyro without lag, right?

Well if you want to open that door...

1) My wife plays on a computer that was built in 2009. That PC has i7-860(that is one of the early generations of i7s), 8 GB of RAM, GTX 650, and a 1TB Raid 0 HDD.
2) I play on a I7-8700, 32GB ram, GTX 1070, and a 1TB 970 plus M.2 SSD.
We should be able to agree neither of these PCs are NASA grade...as you say. Mine is a mid grade( now) gaming rig and my wifes is a bit out of date.

We have spent more than 100 hours between us( at least 30 on her PC alone) in The Reach. We have crashed ZERO times. Also have been in Cyro, battlegrounds, dungeons, and other zones and have ZERO crashes. Cyro does have some weird lag once in a while that doesn't show up in FPS or Ping but i can play anywhere in this game on both computers without issue.

The number of people who complain on these forums about these issues is extremely minor. If there was a server side problem, as i said, there would be threads of irate players just like when a server crashes. But these isolated incidents are in fact, 99% of the time, on the users end. And instead of trying to figure out why, they just bash ZOS instead because that is way easier and requires no effort on their part to solve. So throw a fit and hope someone fixes my problem.

One thing many people seem to fail to understand about MMOs are they constantly progress forwards. The devs arent using the same software they did in 2014. They are using modern tools to create new zones. They are making these zones on software that is incapable of being stuck in 2014. This means that game requires better hardware gradually over time.

The people who complain about how much worse the game is getting are usually people who don't ever upgrade their computers. Technology is something you have to keep up with. The older the hardware you run the lower your settings need to be and the more care you need to take in what you do to put a load on your PC. You might be fine doing a 30 man dolmen but doing a 20 man harrowstorm could tank your system.

As the game progresses if your performance goes down you need to either upgrade your pc or lower your settings to compensate. This is the nature of MMOs and this one is really shows it because it is such a resource heavy MMO anyway so it can quickly get away from you with just a chapter or two.

There can be many reason for your crashes, however the OP said disconnects not crashes. Those are vastly different issues.

So you're saying...

I8700k at 5.2ghz...
4TB storage SSD no HDD.
32gb ram
2080

Is not enough for ESO? I see issues in the game only but every other mmo i play is just fine... Issues are on ZoS end clearly... Since my system does not lock up or reboot on its own nor does it have any issues besides when I play ESO in Cyrodill god that place is just spicy butthole of lag.

But everything else works minus missing skill points with zero ETA on a fix.

There could be 100 reasons why someone is having issues even on a "good" PC. Ive seen people have problems with games for really stupid reasons that was purely out of their own ignorance( not meant in a derogatory way). Some of these were:

* Didn't change firewall settings.
* Graphics card is about 3 major updates behind
* Undetected virus that consumed resources.
* Didn't update windows.
* Windows update broke PC. ( that does happen sometimes)
* Have two different speeds of RAM installed( did it themselves and didnt know what they was doing)
* Web Browser running in background and consumed over 50% of memory alone. My wife use to be notorious for this one. One time i closed 44 tabs on her browser. Her PC sighed with relief when i was done.

I can do this all day as i moonlighted as a PC tech for more than a decade. People use to bring me their PCs and it was almost always something stupid when it came to issues they could swear was a defective piece of hardware or software ruined their PC. Most of the time it was just something they messed up unintentionally.

You forgot to mention overclocking

!

Also, on your point about graphics drivers being out-of-date, the opposite can be true. When you have a setup that is running everything well, don't update drivers just because they're the new best thing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. New drivers (not least beta ones) can often raise temperatures and that's a classic cause of problems.

Then there are out-of-date addons, of course. Although that's often an irrelevance, it's particularly pertinent in the case of problems arising only after a major update because when addon authors are no longer supporting their addons a major update will cause issues with those particular addons.

You're right to make a big distinction between disconnections and crashes, and then so far as Cyrodiil especially is concerned there's the separate issue of lag. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't mention where in the game he's having these disconnections. Of course, disconnections can also indicate an interrupted internet connection as can be experienced with wireless connections, for example, as well as network issues that only affect those games and other applications whose servers are accessed through the affected part of the network.

In short, we know far too little about the OP's problem and setup to be able to advise - beyond acknowledging that he's having a constant disconnection issue that - despite all the lag and crashing problems many are undoubtedly experiencing especially in the competitive content - few players are reporting.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

Don't see how this my issue. Everything works but prime time Cyrodil. Or crazy primetime during trials. Everything else works. I can play WoW jump into PVP no issues. I can open GW2 same thing even in WvWvW. So... Again the issues seem on ZoS' end. There is no defending that lol. If It was hardware issue for slowage in those zones it would replicate via stress tests or testing in other games. But seems to not happen in any other game at all.

Anotherone773 · January 2021

Raegwyr wrote: »

Don't know where did you find that data, i saw a ton of complaints, now ppl post a lot less because devs didn't respond, they just close or ban users here. Most of discussions went to discord servers where zos staff cannot silence players.

Youre new here, I have been here a few years. I can tell by looking at the front page of this forum when something is server side because the front page of recent will explode with it. A few people, given the games population, is going to be on user side. I read this forums, steam forums, and the reddit for this game. That is 3 major public sources and both steam and reddit are easy to access and post on. You get the same straggler or two on those that post issues that you do here. Like i said, if it was server side, everyone would know it because forums everyone would explode with players.

zero problems with any online or single player game (same story for a lot of my friends who crashed constantly for whole month after markath release).

That is 100% irrelevant to ESO or your issue with ESO for a multitude of technical reasons that im not getting into.

What you are talking about is more related to Murkmire release when ppl got lower fps in the new area because it required just better hardware.

You are wrong, that is not what i am talking about. I clearly stated what i was talking about after the paragraph you quoted.

Performance of cyro or crashes after the markarth have nothing to do with this.

Well if that is your expert opinion, let's write this off as resolved and call it a day!

Also if you cannot prove your statement with some data (that eso problems is indeed related mostly to users hardware) then i will stay with "it is a zos fault" reasoning

Burying your head in the sand and saying it's someone elses fault has always been a productive way to solve problems. I feel no need to prove anything. The game works perfectly fine for me on TWO PC, one being vintage as far as PCs go. If you don't want to listen to my professional opinion, that is totally up to you. Enjoy your game.

they admit that in 2019 and do the whole year of performance improvements that didn't help,

Oh??? That's... weird...because i saw improvements. Let's see:

1. About a 20% decrease in game file size
2. Lighter updates
3. Ping decrease from 110-130 to 75-95
4. FPS increase 10-20 frames depending on zone.
5. More frequent instant load screens when porting in zone.
6. Noticeable time shaved off loading into zones from character screen/other zones/instances.
7. Improved load times in housing.
8. Steadier FPS in new zones including on my older PC which saw severe FPS drops( cut in half instantly or more)at times in several zones but doesn't see severe drops anymore.

Its like we play different games.

indeed you don't know what you are talking about

I don't...Enjoy your game

NettleCarrier · January 2021

My game has been absolutely fine on PC-NA for quite a few weeks. I think we had a bad Cloudrest instance a few days ago but the server is fine. Whatever it is is on your end or at least made worse by it.

Raegwyr · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Raegwyr wrote: »

Don't know where did you find that data, i saw a ton of complaints, now ppl post a lot less because devs didn't respond, they just close or ban users here. Most of discussions went to discord servers where zos staff cannot silence players.

Youre new here, I have been here a few years. I can tell by looking at the front page of this forum when something is server side because the front page of recent will explode with it. A few people, given the games population, is going to be on user side. I read this forums, steam forums, and the reddit for this game. That is 3 major public sources and both steam and reddit are easy to access and post on. You get the same straggler or two on those that post issues that you do here. Like i said, if it was server side, everyone would know it because forums everyone would explode with players.

zero problems with any online or single player game (same story for a lot of my friends who crashed constantly for whole month after markath release).

That is 100% irrelevant to ESO or your issue with ESO for a multitude of technical reasons that im not getting into.

What you are talking about is more related to Murkmire release when ppl got lower fps in the new area because it required just better hardware.

You are wrong, that is not what i am talking about. I clearly stated what i was talking about after the paragraph you quoted.

Performance of cyro or crashes after the markarth have nothing to do with this.

Well if that is your expert opinion, let's write this off as resolved and call it a day!

Also if you cannot prove your statement with some data (that eso problems is indeed related mostly to users hardware) then i will stay with "it is a zos fault" reasoning

Burying your head in the sand and saying it's someone elses fault has always been a productive way to solve problems. I feel no need to prove anything. The game works perfectly fine for me on TWO PC, one being vintage as far as PCs go. If you don't want to listen to my professional opinion, that is totally up to you. Enjoy your game.

they admit that in 2019 and do the whole year of performance improvements that didn't help,

Oh??? That's... weird...because i saw improvements. Let's see:

1. About a 20% decrease in game file size
2. Lighter updates
3. Ping decrease from 110-130 to 75-95
4. FPS increase 10-20 frames depending on zone.
5. More frequent instant load screens when porting in zone.
6. Noticeable time shaved off loading into zones from character screen/other zones/instances.
7. Improved load times in housing.
8. Steadier FPS in new zones including on my older PC which saw severe FPS drops( cut in half instantly or more)at times in several zones but doesn't see severe drops anymore.

Its like we play different games.

indeed you don't know what you are talking about

I don't...Enjoy your game

Im not new here, i was here since 2016, zos just likes to ban ppl recently for criticising their communication and how they handle bugs so dont patronize me. Also I see that a lot of ppl have problems with the game after markarth. Glad that your mere two pc dont have the issue but you are not a center of the universe, saying that it must be problem on ppl side, not zos because your game works fine is stupid. Especially when even zos acknowledges that performance of their game is currently bad (so bad that they even said they will not add more systems because they want to focus on fixing the game but yeah, it is definietely a problem with players hardware).

Miszou · January 2021

My wife and I can play for hours with no issues at all on two completely different setups. Your problem is almost certainly client side... overheating, bad drivers, virus, malware, lack of updates, poor internet etc...

Her setup:
Intel i5 / 8GB / Radeon RX480 @ 1080p

My Setup:
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X / 16GB / Radeon Vega 64 @ 1440p

LMFBA · January 2021

The white knights come out and defend this game as all they do is sit in riften tavern 'looking suspiciously at a cloaked figure...' of course they dont suffer problems.

In any content where its busy or requires fast intensive combat this game suffers poor performance, end of chat! This is FACT!

The problem is solely on ZO$'s end and they know thats why they have been discussing performance problems for 3 years and saying 'no ETA', they dont know how to fix seen as the original team who actually created this game no longer work there.
This game is a cash cow with minimum investment and resources put into it, simple business model.

Promise improvements at random intervals but do nothing and say nothing but drip feed weak new content with insentives to buy (mythics, FOTM necro/warden), its quite easy to see if you open your eyes.

MentalxHammer · January 2021

Dedicated servers for pve and dungeon finder. Dedicated servers for pvp, cyro and battlegrounds queues. [snip] ESO would be extremely popular if the game performance was good. The only thing stopping ESO from dominating the MMO market is the investors apprehension to upgrade the games servers, as ESO still earns money in it's current state. Grow a pair of balls ZOS and give us the servers to facilitate the large scale experience you have promised since launch. Its guaranteed the game will see growth if servers are improved.

[Edited to remove Bashing]

mustangmorgan31 · January 2021

The performance of this game has been the worst it has ever been and I have been playing since beta. To potential commenters: If you are just roleplaying, questing, or lollygagging in overland content do not defend performance because that crap doesn't need good servers anyway

CSose · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
1) Firewall settings
2) Anti-virus Settings
3) VPN settings
4) Port issues
5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
6) ISP problems.

It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

It absolutely IS the ZOS servers. This is extremely well documented. Claiming otherwise is comical.

NettleCarrier · January 2021

If it were the servers then myself and my friends would be unable to play. We can play, thus it is not the servers lol.

LMFBA · January 2021

NettleCarrier wrote: »

If it were the servers then myself and my friends would be unable to play. We can play, thus it is not the servers lol.

What content do you play?
When do you play?

CSose · January 2021

The people claiming there are no issues are not PvP players and do not participate in vet trials. A 5 year old computer is perfectly fine to run eso. The vast majority of all performance issues are on ZOS's end and this is extremely well documented even with so many members and posts disappearing from this forum. ZOS has even admitted to the performance issues in most cases, so again, claiming there are none looks odd.

Tandor · January 2021

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Dedicated servers for pve and dungeon finder. Dedicated servers for pvp, cyro and battlegrounds queues. Throwing everything on one giant "megaserver" is lazy and a blatant effort to save money. ESO would be extremely popular if the game performance was good. The only thing stopping ESO from dominating the MMO market is the investors apprehension to upgrade the games servers, as ESO still earns money in it's current state. Grow a pair of balls ZOS and give us the servers to facilitate the large scale experience you have promised since launch. Its guaranteed the game will see growth if servers are improved.

You sound as if you believe each megaserver consists of one server. It doesn't, the content is already split up between a whole mass of servers that are merely linked together to form a megaserver so that they can be expanded, contracted, and upgraded as necessary without having to merge databases including guilds and players' names etc.

LMFBA · January 2021

Tandor wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Dedicated servers for pve and dungeon finder. Dedicated servers for pvp, cyro and battlegrounds queues. Throwing everything on one giant "megaserver" is lazy and a blatant effort to save money. ESO would be extremely popular if the game performance was good. The only thing stopping ESO from dominating the MMO market is the investors apprehension to upgrade the games servers, as ESO still earns money in it's current state. Grow a pair of balls ZOS and give us the servers to facilitate the large scale experience you have promised since launch. Its guaranteed the game will see growth if servers are improved.

You sound as if you believe each megaserver consists of one server. It doesn't, the content is already split up between a whole mass of servers that are merely linked together to form a megaserver so that they can be expanded, contracted, and upgraded as necessary without having to merge databases including guilds and players' names etc.

So why is the performance tonk?

Tandor · January 2021

LMFBA wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Dedicated servers for pve and dungeon finder. Dedicated servers for pvp, cyro and battlegrounds queues. Throwing everything on one giant "megaserver" is lazy and a blatant effort to save money. ESO would be extremely popular if the game performance was good. The only thing stopping ESO from dominating the MMO market is the investors apprehension to upgrade the games servers, as ESO still earns money in it's current state. Grow a pair of balls ZOS and give us the servers to facilitate the large scale experience you have promised since launch. Its guaranteed the game will see growth if servers are improved.

You sound as if you believe each megaserver consists of one server. It doesn't, the content is already split up between a whole mass of servers that are merely linked together to form a megaserver so that they can be expanded, contracted, and upgraded as necessary without having to merge databases including guilds and players' names etc.

So why is the performance tonk?

For many players and most of the content it isn't, but in respect of things like PvP and competitive PvE my understanding is that both ZOS and a lot of experienced players believe that software coding problems lie at the heart of the major performance issues, and that's why ZOS have been focused on reviewing and optimising skills and combat along with data management, memory allocation and server code optimisation etc. This has led to a lot of improvements for many players, the list in post #17 being a fair one, but clearly it is an ongoing project and ZOS have acknowledged that much remains to be done. There's no evidence, however, that simply buying more or better servers would be a miracle cure, and I'm sure they've been investing heavily in hardware as the population has grown and existing hardware has worn out - it's inconceivable that any MMO developer would be able to stick with the original hardware for six years without having a very considerable and constant investment program. The servers in any online game consist of multiple pieces of hardware all of which require frequent renewal given the load they run under, and switching hardware in and out will usually be part of any regular maintenance downtime.

idk · January 2021

I have not been disconnected from the PC/NA server this week in dungeons or otherwise. I have not gone into Cyrodiil. I have not even experienced high ping. I have only seen one stutter of server lag.

As such, it does not seem to be an issue with the ESO servers. It is more likely a switch or other connection between your PC and the servers in Texas.