Stellarvorous wrote: »

In order to make this skill line truly fitting in ESO currently youd have to incorporate some of the new *Features* we are currently blessed with

I got some ideas for skills to make it work


1 Flail- Swing your weapon in a frantic attempt to hit the foe who appears to be in front of you on your screen but according to their screen and the server they are 40+ meters away

2 Pain bringer- Summon a cross eyed jester to taunt your foe with a ability that deals no damage but locks them in combat for 45 mins also snares immobilizes and stuns your foe for 5 mins if they attempt to flee from you this ability bypasses CC immunity and immovable pots


3 Daedric Pimp Hand- Call forth a Colossal Daedric hand that slaps the ever living *** out of your opponent crashing them to their desktop Activating this skill again in rapid succession changes it to Daedric Back Hand denying them the ability to log back in within a timely manner because *This Account is already Logged in*


4 Behold the Power of the Dark Side- Empower your self with supernatural forces that buff all of your proc sets damage by 25% stacks with Call of the Wild


5 Call of the Wild- Grant your self and allies a 25% damage boost for each 50k WW in your group damage modifier scales with players using crimson for maximum effectiveness


Passive lines

1 "Were killing it!" -Proclaim this will be the year of performance that will result in solutions and fixes for the mass of on going critical problems across the game For PvE/PvP And fix absolutely none of it

2 Immersion -Summon the power of a role player and examine the soul of each and every NPC you encounter down to its shoe laces and jawline locate a imperfection of a minor detail and invoke the power of the Devs to fix it in a timely manner while the other problems across the game continue to worsen

3 Make it rain- Wield the ungodly power of a Daedric prince and watch the crown store crash then get fixed in a few short hours with actual communication and honest concern from the Devs


4 The Blessings of Silence - Tell your player base that everything will be fine and new solutions will happen in a timely manner over the next year while other issues crashes glitches bugs lag ect proceed to worsen with no end in sight then cut all forms of communication aside from a few vague posts while pretending to actually care about the on going worsening issues


5 Cant touch this -Invoke your godly tier skills and break all stuns and immobilizes when you press the correct button combination in a timely manner Consumes all Stamina Magicka and reduces your health to 1 applies CC immunity for 1 second Crowd control break has a 35 min cool down denying you the ability to use it again till the cool down has wore off
(Also places you in combat with the nearest hostile Npc for 15 mins)

ArcaneScientius wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

For the unarmed damage problem you could have a passive like this: while unarmed your weapon damage increases by 1000 (level scaled) + 4% of your max stamina.

Another passive I thought up: When at least one of your hands are unarmed you dodge single target physical attacks while blocking at double the cost.

That would also give a solution to both having weaker block.

For unarmed enchant/trait loss:
One unarmed hand makes your helm count as 2 pieces for items set. Two unarmed hands makes your shoulders count as 2 pieces for it's set.

Just some ideas.

These are excellent ideas. Thank you.

Dodge
I love the dodge mechanic you suggested, but I would say it should work for any single target direct attack, not just against physical attacks.

I have been looking for something like this because, at the moment, the main ways of surviving big hits are to a) have a damage shield that provides an ablative resource (health) before the actual resource is impacted, b) blocking and having high resistances (heavy armour and abilities) or c) moving out of the way, either by roll dodge or simply avoiding the hit, which is not always possible.

A double-cost dodge mechanic where you can avoid all damage for twice the cost of a successful block (also taking into account that you will then not cause disorientation in the attacking enemy compared to if you successfully block an ability or heavy attack) can provide an interesting new way to tank certain fights by avoiding the damage entirely.

The downside risk is that if you do not have sufficient resources to dodge (double the cost of a successful block), you will take full damage without any mitigation except from resistances and abilities (like spirit mender necro morph).

High risk and high reward type mechanic.

I can see this mechanic leading to some PvP issues, but reducing your damage output by replacing a skill for a moderate utility skill and needing to swop to other bar with single hand weapon from 2H/DW/Destruct damage-focused front bar and dodge at the right time, it could be useful for skilled players. I don't PvP a lot, so I cannot actually comment.

Ok. You have convinced me. I will add unarmed to the skills and passives, maybe changing some of the effects if using unarmed (e.g. to add an elemental effect to attacks since you cannot have enchantments or poisons (though I don't know if the poison slot is unavailable if there is no weapon equipped)). It will take a while, but I will draft some unarmed passives and some changes mainly to offensive skills.

Unarmed Weapon damage
Firstly, I think that we would need to make it + 1000 for weapon and spell damage if unarmed, so that class skills (whether magic or stam) will be viable and retain moderate damage compared to other weapons.

10% of 20 000 (average max stam, most ppl have much higher values than this) = 2 000, so 5% would be 1000, and 4% would be 800 extra weapon damage.

I think +4% weapon damage from stamina is too high (giving you, with the passive 1000 boost, about 1800 weapon damage for 20 000 max stam). I will have to look at the damage formulae, but while it may be too strong, it can reduce the impact of not having enchantments and poisons, so slightly higher base damage (with elemental effects) could be viable for unarmed. I think +1% max stam with one point passive and 2% with two points in the passive (looking at the second passive ability set) and maybe only for 5+ light armour pieces equipped to reinforce the light armour for damage flavour.

You do not need to scale the weapon damage boost with level, because ESO already has this feature. A white level 1 sword used by a level 1 will provide the same damage as a white CP 160 sword used by a CP 160 character. Therefore, the 1000 boost is a good baseline throughout the game, albeit a touch on the low side even compared to white quality weapons of correct level.

Now, this resource (weapon damage) would also impact on the damage of class skills (if using the stamina morph), so an unarmed character would not be punished for using stam class skills on their unarmed skill bar.

It does seem that the current views you and I are expressing for an unarmed skill line is mainly focused on stamina (monk melee combat archetype, ES4 monk had fists and bow as main skills so very much stamina/physical damage focused), so I will have to think how this would work with a magic user who wants to also only use fists. ... Maybe providing the same 1000 spell damage boost would be enough, since they can then stack their preferred resource (max mag or stam).

Set Problems
A problem comes from not being able to upgrade your fists, like blue/purple/gold weapons; the quality of which does improve weapon damage compared to white quality. While this problem can be overcome by providing a higher base damage for unarmed (you don't want to load too much onto one dimension like base damage or it can potentially be exploited or lead to imbalances).

The opposite problem is that you will need fewer (as in none) resources to compete effectively with those people who improved or have purple/gold weapons, reducing the need to collect gear sets.

While this may appeal to people who do not care to collect gear, it does introduce a moderate balancing issue where you need to invest less to compete effectively, but you also lose the utility of enchantments and poisons so it could work out moderately fair.

A further problem also comes from a single slot providing double benefits for sets, as you suggested. With the precedent of staffs and 2H weapons providing two brackets of any set, and therefore you do not need to collect e.g. two weapons of a single set if DW compared to 2H and staff guys only needing one to get 2 brackets of set bonuses, it could be made to work without being overpowered, as well as providing an unarmed character with some different flavour.

I'll be back with an unarmed passives and etc.