Too much XP need a way of disabling it

Scinder · April 2014

Been playing since headstart and i'm only starting Rivenspire and level 27 so no, I don't think leveling is too fast. It's perfectly fine to me.

LimeFox · April 2014

Dolenz wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Too fast = being able to outlevel content without grinding for exp
When I finished shadowfen (25-30 zone) I was lvl 37, and I only played all the content there without grinding for exp.

What's strange is that so many people are finding that not to be the case, myself included. I was two levels below the starting quests in Greenshade when I got there. I had done all skyshards and had the acheivements for quests in every zone.

So the question I have is where is all this content and exp that I must have missed? Maybe it is different in every faction.

I think I finally figured this one out. It may have a lot to do with character play style. For example, I was trying to do an assassin type character who only killed when it was necessary and otherwise used stealth, and when I was done with Auridon, I was about 2 levels behind - stealth is fun, but it won't level your character, obviously. It's entirely possible to be underleveled in the game if you don't kill everything in a dungeon or area, even with everything on the map discovered and completed - especially when there are always hoardes of people tromping through a dungeon. I was going through some of the places like Del's Claim and completing them with only a boss kill to show for it, because the enemies were already dead. I've started killing everything I see or encounter and running a dungeon twice if it's cleared out, and now I'm much more in level with quests and where I should be for Malabal Tor.

LimeFox · April 2014

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

Dolenz wrote: »

What's strange is that so many people are finding that not to be the case, myself included. I was two levels below the starting quests in Greenshade when I got there. I had done all skyshards and had the acheivements for quests in every zone.

So the question I have is where is all this content and exp that I must have missed? Maybe it is different in every faction.

Yes you have missed stuff. Just because the markers on your map are all white doesn't mean you have done ALL the quests in the zone. There are a lot of quests that you will find if you just wander out in the world, which aren't associated with any map marker, and won't make any visual completion mark on your map when they are done. I just started in Greenshade, at level 27 - well above the starting quests for that zone. I don't grind mobs, just quest and explore.

It is actually possible to do all quests/achievements/discoveries for an area and not be quite the right level, even adding in the quests that have no marker. I did well over the number of quests needed for Auridon's quest achievement and all the dolmens/dungeons/etc., but I wasn't killing EVERY mob I encountered. That's not something that need adjusted though, that was just me not playing correctly. You can't stealth your way past every enemy and expect to level, and I hadn't yet realized that ESO wasn't going to be like many MMO's with 30 million questing hubs to make up for my stealthy approach. Not a problem, just went, "Whoops, I need to make quests/dungeons really COUNT." and started killing every mob I came across.

Ojustaboo · April 2014

rwood0604_ESO wrote: »

SuperScrubby wrote: »

I'm VR1 and still doing the coldharbor quests. I have done almost no mob grinding whatsoever. So unless looting all those chests is the culprit this game awards exp too easily in the open world.

Yes the chests give a set percentage of your lvl no matter the lvl or zone I have been in even as a lvl 30 in the started island chests there give me 1% of my lvl when opening them so I think that chest is how most of you are so over lvled in the quest, because i have 2 characters both in same faction and i play them the same way except only one i open tons of chests on and he seems to be 5 lvls high than my other toon that is in the same area doing the same quests.

That's probably what did it for me. I decided to take up enchanting last week and spent many many hours in the starter areas looking for the round runes.

Because xp is only briefly on the screen for a second, while I saw it, I initially paid it zero attention presuming that as it was a starter area, the xp was a trivial amount. I got the 100 chest achievement while doing this, so if it's 1 % a level, there's a whole level. It was only when I leveled that I took notice and stopped opening them.

I also keep running into the mini anchors in my crafting runs and of course I was killing them every time.

I went back to the starter areas so that if mobs attack me while getting the runes, they will be too low level to give me xp (I presume). Initially I was gathering mats where I was questing (but only gathering, no questing) hence mobs would attack and I would get xp.

I can see what I did wrong.

I am not asking for the amount of xp given by anything to be cut, just would really like a switchable option so that those that play like me can do so and still find the quest content on level.

The alternative which I have done is to create an alt where I'm not interested in the quests, simply use it to gather mats and open chests as it levels, and only consentrate on quests and nothing else with my main, but it's not the ideal solution.

FlameStar · April 2014

I have constantly been around 1 level under at the quest I am at.
And thats with me running around exploring and gathering . /played says I've played for 2 days and 3hrs or so, and I'm mid way through lvl 24 . Although I haven't done any group content or pvp yet.. so maybe that is where the extra exp is at? (I assumed that was just optional. Though I will do pvp for skyshards.. one day)
I find the rate at which I level fine though, and I can kill things higher level than me most of the time just as fine too. *shrug*

Ojustaboo · April 2014

rwood0604_ESO wrote: »

I have a lvl 37 with over 4 days of play time on it so leveling to fast is not a problem, you must be exploring well past your quest area to be at such a lvl in a low lvl zone and at what point through lvling so high did you stop to think oh I should do my quests now knowing full well you would out lvl them if you didn't?

Hindsight is a great thing

I wasn't exploring past my level, I hope I explained myself in my other reply I just posted.

Fact is, I was having so much fun, by the time I had completed Glenumbra, while I was level 21, it may sound stupid, but it didn't occur to me that I was out leveling Stormhaven.

I completed Glenumbra by doing all the skull areas and the 3 dark anchors, at that level they weren't that hard, but I expected the next area to be a step up.

User error I totally admit, which is what led me to this post. As now I am aware, I am no longer opening chests or going on mat gathering expeditions however I would love them to give us the no xp option so that I can open chests, kill mini anchors etc without having to worry.

Ojustaboo · April 2014

LimeFox wrote: »

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

Dolenz wrote: »

What's strange is that so many people are finding that not to be the case, myself included. I was two levels below the starting quests in Greenshade when I got there. I had done all skyshards and had the acheivements for quests in every zone.

So the question I have is where is all this content and exp that I must have missed? Maybe it is different in every faction.

Yes you have missed stuff. Just because the markers on your map are all white doesn't mean you have done ALL the quests in the zone. There are a lot of quests that you will find if you just wander out in the world, which aren't associated with any map marker, and won't make any visual completion mark on your map when they are done. I just started in Greenshade, at level 27 - well above the starting quests for that zone. I don't grind mobs, just quest and explore.

It is actually possible to do all quests/achievements/discoveries for an area and not be quite the right level, even adding in the quests that have no marker. I did well over the number of quests needed for Auridon's quest achievement and all the dolmens/dungeons/etc., but I wasn't killing EVERY mob I encountered. That's not something that need adjusted though, that was just me not playing correctly. You can't stealth your way past every enemy and expect to level, and I hadn't yet realized that ESO wasn't going to be like many MMO's with 30 million questing hubs to make up for my stealthy approach. Not a problem, just went, "Whoops, I need to make quests/dungeons really COUNT." and started killing every mob I came across.

Might give the stealth assassin a try sounds fun

I suspect if you do find yourself under level, it's fairly easy to kill mobs and catch up ?

Cat_70ESO · April 2014

In Vanguard there was an ability that you could toggle on which would stop your character from gaining XP until you toggled it off again. This would solve the OP's problem I think.

Blackwidow · April 2014

Reignskream wrote: »

4days, 17 hrs, 16 minutes, 59 seconds -- And im still level 24. Yall play to fast :P. Doesnt anybody enjoy the scenery? the loot, the lore?

You have this all wrong.

I search every inch of the game. I smell the flowers. I read the books. I listen to the quest givers.

This has nothing to do with that.

I am leveling too fast by just doing the quests and each dungeon once. I am 28 and doing 22nd lvl quests atm.

This is not by choice. If i could I would slow down my xp. I'm not trying to level up in any way, shape or form. The game is giving me too much xp, just for the simple fact that I am doing the game as designed, and not even doing any pvp, yet.

Maybe because I am stopping to smell the flowers and doing every quest that I am leveling up too fast to do quests at my level anymore.

Maybe if I skipped half the quests and rushed to the next zone I would not be so high level. But, I refuse to play that way.

dividee · April 2014

I would really like an "exp freeze" option too. I feel I'm playing the game as designed, mainly following quests, sometimes exploring, gathering mats on my way but not looking hard for them. I do public dungeons, instances, anchors and world bosses once or twice. And my main is lvl 23 doing level 19 quests in stormhaven. I'm glad I didn't use my ring of mara...

My main is a healer, as I was planning to do more group dungeons, but now I think that doing more instances would just get me even more over-leveled.

NTclaymore · April 2014

I think its fine that you dont have to complete all quest before being able to move on to the next. but i see your point. I dont know a good way to sovle it however. an exp-slider wont be good if you ask me

Xbloody_m3ssx · April 2014

i had the same problem in alik'r, i didn't see any loot for the whole zone. i had to rush through to be on point for bangkorai lol.

Firesnakearies · April 2014

I'm in exactly the same boat!

Been doing quests 5-7 levels lower than me for a long time now, and I don't like it. I'm an extreme explorer and completionist, and I like to take my time and find all the things. I absolutely will not skip any content, I love doing all of the quests, and in approximately their intended order.

I'd just like to not always be so far ahead of the quest levels and the levels of the mobs I'm killing. It's a bummer too because grey mobs don't drop any loot for you, so 90% of the time everything I'm killing during questing drops nothing for me.

A personal, optional XP slider (or simple XP on/XP off toggle) would be amazing. I pretty much ask for this feature in every game, and hardly any game ever provides it. This feature would also be great for people who play/level/quest with their spouse or friends, and don't want to get ahead of them in levels when they play alone, PvPing or out gathering or whatever. It's a common issue I hear in every MMO.

Giving us a simple settings option to disable our own XP gain couldn't be difficult, and I can't see any way that it could be exploitable or somehow unbalance the game. Please do it!

Senensis · April 2014

Adding my voice to this xp limitation option. I play with RL friends, and we don't have the same playtime. I would like to be able to "bank", or at the very least toggle off the xp gains, so I can still do my things like gathering and looting chests, without overleveling my group content.

KerinKor · April 2014

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm with you... I stop to smell the roses. Unfortunately fast leveling has been with us since WoW

Oh look, another gratuitous swipe at WOW, which like many is totally false and shows the poster has no idea how WOW was for several years until PLAYER PRESSURE made Blizzard speed up the leveling process. Back in 'vanilla' leveling was a grind, literally at some levels due to lack of quests and low XP per kill.

Jade1986 · April 2014

Im lvl 18 and im doing lvl 17 / 18 quests, I don't know what you guys are doing, but I am leveling exactly on par with quest levels.....and I am doing every quest and dungeon I come across.

neocomab16_ESO · April 2014

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm with you... I stop to smell the roses. Unfortunately fast leveling has been with us since WoW and is here to stay. Too many impatient folks want to "beat" a game instead of enjoy it, or think the only way to enjoy it is with end game content.

Then of course they rush to end game and complain they are bored. So not much Zenimax can do about it.

It would be interesting though if they implimented an XP slider and allowed tuning it down, how many would use it.

You people dont get it, do you? We want to play the actual game, not the tutorial that is leveling. And leveling is nothing but a huge tutorial. We dont want to feel forced to level in order to finally have fun. heck, the only game that did that right was DCUO. 30 levels and that's it. lots of time to fill endgame with content. when you now hit vet 10 you have nothing except for pvp. That's about it. There is literally no content to do right now at max level. But max level in an MMO IS the actual game.

Kium · April 2014

To chime in...I've really not found a problem in XP. With one of my toons it's the opposite. He seems to struggle. Another toon, well she has no problems but she is in a different alliance. I do find the amount of xp you get from unlocking chests is rather odd though..

Zargorius · April 2014

neocomab16_ESO wrote: »

george.smithb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm with you... I stop to smell the roses. Unfortunately fast leveling has been with us since WoW and is here to stay. Too many impatient folks want to "beat" a game instead of enjoy it, or think the only way to enjoy it is with end game content.

Then of course they rush to end game and complain they are bored. So not much Zenimax can do about it.

It would be interesting though if they implimented an XP slider and allowed tuning it down, how many would use it.

You people dont get it, do you? We want to play the actual game, not the tutorial that is leveling. And leveling is nothing but a huge tutorial. We dont want to feel forced to level in order to finally have fun. heck, the only game that did that right was DCUO. 30 levels and that's it. lots of time to fill endgame with content. when you now hit vet 10 you have nothing except for pvp. That's about it. There is literally no content to do right now at max level. But max level in an MMO IS the actual game.

You forgot to add "in my humble opinion".

p.hurst1b16_ESO · April 2014

I would love a chance to turn XP off.

Better would be a review of the search tools and expand the availability by a couple of levels at least. I do not see why you cannot queue for a dungeon when you still exp off every mob in it and still find the bosses a decent challenge.

Zazar · April 2014

I've run into this as well. Wanting to explore each area as well as do all the quests and pvp just doesn't seem to level up properly. It seemed ok up until aobut lvl 15 but now it seems like I always end up having to skip entire sections/quests because they are just too low level to even bother with.

I would love a chance to turn XP off.

Thats exactly what we dont want to do... Skipping content.

What about actually doing these "grey" quests until you reach proper-level quests? It's kinda the same thing as an XP offswitch, and you don't miss content at all.

Elsonso · April 2014

I am actually having the opposite problem.

I am doing all of the side quests and little things that I can find because I am constantly getting new orange quests.

I don't feel that I am rushing things, but I am obviously not taking advantage of every XP opportunity that comes along, even though I am hanging around areas for extra days finding quests in little out of the way places.

GreasedLizard · April 2014

I think chest hunting and finding all the 'hidden away' quests while doing so, will lead to over-leveling. Many people are entering zones 3+ lv under and not clearing enough entry level ones in that zone to lv .. therefore widening the gap

Always going to happen with completionists

Also I was on vacation and played 6+ hours a day for 3 weeks, have one alt L18 and my main is still 39 I think. That's not a bad speed for 'taking in the game' vs rushing. Still a hella long way from VR10

Kyosji · April 2014

They need to give the option do stop XP just for gathering and crafting reasons alone.

Zeeed · April 2014

OP got no clue NO CLUE !!!! VR4 to VR5 took me 1.5 zone of questng--> 20+ hours !!!!

Mallow · April 2014

I'm curious how you were level 21 when you started Stormhaven. I just started it and I'm level 16 -- after doing every quest, dolmen, dungeon and boss in Glenumbra. *scratches head*

Erock25 · April 2014

I am also running into this problem. I'm DC and not ring of mara or anything. I haven't been grinding at all but I do every quest and dungeon. I've been over leveled almost all game. I basically went through alik'r doing all gray quests. I'm level 45 and have over half of bangkorai (no clue on spelling but last zone in DC) still left to complete. I refuse to skip quests as well because you never know when you're going to miss a skill point.

Enodoc · April 2014

I was/am in the same position; not quite so far apart as some, but I started Stormhaven at 19 rather than 16. I think if you do all the quests, you should get there at about the right level, then anything above that depends mainly on finding chests, gathering materials, and killing enemies.
Do you get less/no experience gain for completing green/grey quests? (You should do, otherwise I can't see why they have different colours.)
I would agree with the OP's suggestion of having an XP toggle, perhaps even a checklist of where experience comes from; say, for example, you could turn off exp gain from Exploration, Chests and Materials but still get it from Quests, Dungeons and Enemies.

Ojustaboo · April 2014

Mallow wrote: »

I'm curious how you were level 21 when you started Stormhaven. I just started it and I'm level 16 -- after doing every quest, dolmen, dungeon and boss in Glenumbra. *scratches head*

I've spent about a week of evenings just gathering mats and at the same time unlocking chests and killing any mobs that attack me in the process, plus any mini anchors that spawned.

I know why I'm over levelled , just wish there was a way to let me continue playing like this. In all mmos I've played, I often spend days at a time gathering mats for crafting, I find it therapeutic. I'm not one that needs to quest and kill things all the time.

crush83 · April 2014

I found leveling much, much, much too fast as well. What's hilarious is that there are people who will claim the exact opposite. I don't know if they play with their eyes closed, or have all but a central 400 pixel wide square covered on their monitor so that they miss all of the obvious side quests...

I out leveled Shadowfen before I had completed 30% of the quests there...