War tortes and what's wrong with them.
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The first thing to say is that many players are mistaken in thinking that these cakes only boost the Alliance War skill line. This is not the case, they also help to enlarge your rank. So these are just description problems.
These cakes were supposed to be a good reason to finally pump up the ranks of the alliance, which for a player who rarely plays pvp seems to be very long. But alas...
Again, getting the cake recipe is fine. But the ingredients ... This is crazy! I don't think it's worth telling why it is a very bad idea to force farm resources in Cyrodiil. Nobody just will, and does not do it now. Such ingredients must be tied to pvp activity. And I'm honestly surprised that this topic went unnoticed on the PTS. Now just imagine the price for one such cake.
Why shouldn't these cakes be so rare? Because we have big risks. AP farming is very unstable. Having used such an AP boost bought for 100k, there is no guarantee that it was not used in vain. This may not be the day of your alliance in Cyrodiil, when you will only lose your fortresses all evening. Using such boosts for BG is not very wise, especially if your MMR is very high and you have very long queues.
Also on the PTS there were crown scrolls for the AP boost, which cost 3k crowns. Nothing to say ... unless that might be a good reason to attract more people to pvp.
These cakes were supposed to be a good reason to finally pump up the ranks of the alliance, which for a player who rarely plays pvp seems to be very long. But alas...
It looks fine, really. Perhaps farming citrus is even too easy.Colovian War Torte
The recipe for the Colovian War Torte (the baseline, 50% boost item) can be found rarely in the wilds of Cyrodiil, from a curious, green-glowing book.
This recipe requires a new ingredient, Cyrodiil Citrus. These sweet fruits can be obtained by completing quests in any of the five towns in Cyrodiil.
I have no complaints about the price of the recipe. But for the ingredients. It's too expensive. Now the price for one such cake is from 80k. I will explain later why this is expensive for boosting AP.Molten War Torte
The recipe for the Molten War Torte requires a recipe scroll for the Colovian War Torte. You'll need to combine that with Chef Arquitius's Torte Dissertation. This tome can be obtained from Tel Var General Merchants for 500,000 Tel Var stones.
The Molten War Torte requires a unit of Colovian War Torte, and a new ingredient, Rubyblossom Extract. This ingredient can be purchased from Tel Var General Merchants for 100,000 Tel Var stones.
White-Gold War Torte
The recipe for the White-Gold War Torte requires a recipe scroll for the Molten War Torte. You'll need to combine that with Chef Arquitius's Lost Thesis. This tome can be obtained from completing a Battleground; while it is exceptionally rare, it is more likely to drop the more victorious you are in battle.
The White-Gold War Torte requires a unit of Molten War Torte, as well as a new ingredient, Mourning Dew. This item is found, very rarely, from crafting resource nodes throughout Cyrodiil.
Again, getting the cake recipe is fine. But the ingredients ... This is crazy! I don't think it's worth telling why it is a very bad idea to force farm resources in Cyrodiil. Nobody just will, and does not do it now. Such ingredients must be tied to pvp activity. And I'm honestly surprised that this topic went unnoticed on the PTS. Now just imagine the price for one such cake.
Why shouldn't these cakes be so rare? Because we have big risks. AP farming is very unstable. Having used such an AP boost bought for 100k, there is no guarantee that it was not used in vain. This may not be the day of your alliance in Cyrodiil, when you will only lose your fortresses all evening. Using such boosts for BG is not very wise, especially if your MMR is very high and you have very long queues.
Also on the PTS there were crown scrolls for the AP boost, which cost 3k crowns. Nothing to say ... unless that might be a good reason to attract more people to pvp.
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Exactly. It's not like farming XP which you can control much better, by picking an appropriate farming spot or whatnot.BrownChicken wrote: »Why shouldn't these cakes be so rare? Because we have big risks. AP farming is very unstable.
With prices like these, why would you bother using one when you don't know if 15 minutes from now, there will be anything going on in Cyrodiil?Edited by Faulgor on December 7, 2020 4:47PMAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.9 -
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✭✭✭In the patch notes they were specifically said to only boost the skill line..
If they also affect alliance rank than that's a bug.5 -
Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In the patch notes they were specifically said to only boost the skill line..
If they also affect alliance rank than that's a bug.
No, because to complicate the drop so much just for the sake of increasing the skill line of the alliance wars is silly. In addition, there will soon be similar scrolls for crowns.PC/EU1 -
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✭✭BrownChicken wrote: »In the patch notes they were specifically said to only boost the skill line..
If they also affect alliance rank than that's a bug.
No, because to complicate the drop so much just for the sake of increasing the skill line of the alliance wars is silly. In addition, there will soon be similar scrolls for crowns.
why scrolls? buy both skill lines at full level 10 for 3k.
nobody needs scrolls, or do you think housers will spend that fortune to unlock the elder scroll props?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's the same basic mistake they made with Psijic Ambrosia: Making it so rare that the only people who can afford it are people who don't really need it.
EDIT: Meant to say Aetherial Ambrosia.Edited by MasterSpatula on December 9, 2020 12:50AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle26 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The recipe was added so people couldn't claim P2W with the crown store skill line buy in. It was made very rare so as not to dampen sales.20 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BrownChicken wrote: »I don't think it's worth telling why it is a very bad idea to force farm resources in Cyrodiil. Nobody just will, and does not do it now.
I don't agree with your assessment. Most of the people I see every day in Cyrodiil are recipe farmers taking up population cap space.The recipe was added so people couldn't claim P2W with the crown store skill line buy in. It was made very rare so as not to dampen sales.
I do, however, agree with this. The base 50% boost recipe and ingredient are accessible enough with a little effort. But the 100% food is much more expensive than the vast majority of players are willing to pay. And as far as the 150% player sourced boost goes...... I've yet to see or even hear of the actual existence of the book and reagent, several weeks after they were supposedly added to the loot table.
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✭✭It's not boosting you rank. Only Alliance skill line.
Colovian War Torte is also ridiculously rare to get. I ve spent 10 hours searching for it with no luck and guess what? I gave up.
I dont see the point of adding these recipes if it is impossible to get them (without paying) or insanely expensive to craft.
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✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »It's not boosting you rank. Only Alliance skill line.
Colovian War Torte is also ridiculously rare to get. I ve spent 10 hours searching for it with no luck and guess what? I gave up.
I dont see the point of adding these recipes if it is impossible to get them (without paying) or insanely expensive to craft.
No. I tested this.PC/EU0 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭so what are this things doing exactly
from the description it SHOULD only boost the skill lines .
does it do more? do u get more ap and if do they count for the rank (i dont hope so that would be very p2w)2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »so what are this things doing exactly
from the description it SHOULD only boost the skill lines .
does it do more? do u get more ap and if do they count for the rank (i dont hope so that would be very p2w)
Your rank up to Sergeant is tied to your Alliance War skill rank. When you hit AW 10, you become Sergeant. So technically, someone who eats tortes will become Grand Overlord before someone who doesn't use the booster. But the difference is negligible.
Alliance Points are a currency. You can test what happens when you have two town dailies ready to turn in. Turn in one, note the AP gain, then eat a war torte. Turn in the other daily, note AP gain.
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✭✭BrownChicken wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »It's not boosting you rank. Only Alliance skill line.
Colovian War Torte is also ridiculously rare to get. I ve spent 10 hours searching for it with no luck and guess what? I gave up.
I dont see the point of adding these recipes if it is impossible to get them (without paying) or insanely expensive to craft.
No. I tested this.
Dont know how you tested it but every source I ve read, it says it boosts skill line only.0 -
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✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »BrownChicken wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »It's not boosting you rank. Only Alliance skill line.
Colovian War Torte is also ridiculously rare to get. I ve spent 10 hours searching for it with no luck and guess what? I gave up.
I dont see the point of adding these recipes if it is impossible to get them (without paying) or insanely expensive to craft.
No. I tested this.
Dont know how you tested it but every source I ve read, it says it boosts skill line only.
And ZOS has never implemented something new and had it not work as expected or planned.9 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »so what are this things doing exactly
from the description it SHOULD only boost the skill lines .
does it do more? do u get more ap and if do they count for the rank (i dont hope so that would be very p2w)
Your rank up to Sergeant is tied to your Alliance War skill rank. When you hit AW 10, you become Sergeant. So technically, someone who eats tortes will become Grand Overlord before someone who doesn't use the booster. But the difference is negligible.
Alliance Points are a currency. You can test what happens when you have two town dailies ready to turn in. Turn in one, note the AP gain, then eat a war torte. Turn in the other daily, note AP gain.
u could just multiply the xp for the skill line but not for the rank - did u test this ?0 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »so what are this things doing exactly
from the description it SHOULD only boost the skill lines .
does it do more? do u get more ap and if do they count for the rank (i dont hope so that would be very p2w)
Your rank up to Sergeant is tied to your Alliance War skill rank. When you hit AW 10, you become Sergeant. So technically, someone who eats tortes will become Grand Overlord before someone who doesn't use the booster. But the difference is negligible.
Alliance Points are a currency. You can test what happens when you have two town dailies ready to turn in. Turn in one, note the AP gain, then eat a war torte. Turn in the other daily, note AP gain.
u could just multiply the xp for the skill line but not for the rank - did u test this ?
ok i had time i testet it it counts for the normal rank aswell ...
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✭✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »so what are this things doing exactly
from the description it SHOULD only boost the skill lines .
does it do more? do u get more ap and if do they count for the rank (i dont hope so that would be very p2w)
Your rank up to Sergeant is tied to your Alliance War skill rank. When you hit AW 10, you become Sergeant. So technically, someone who eats tortes will become Grand Overlord before someone who doesn't use the booster. But the difference is negligible.
Alliance Points are a currency. You can test what happens when you have two town dailies ready to turn in. Turn in one, note the AP gain, then eat a war torte. Turn in the other daily, note AP gain.
u could just multiply the xp for the skill line but not for the rank - did u test this ?
ok i had time i testet it it counts for the normal rank aswell ...
Above Sergeant? Because if the tortes continue to rank you up faster after that (faster to Centurion, Legate, Warlord, etc), then they would be a lot more useful, even if the AP gain itself is not increased. You could get titles, dyes, furnishings and whatnot a lot quicker.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Where can I see exactly how much AP a single character has earned?
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭Where can I see exactly how much AP a single character has earned?
When you hit L to view the instances it should show you your AP title and AP until next rank. You can guesstimate your total AP based on your current rank according to this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points
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✭✭✭✭✭Where can I see exactly how much AP a single character has earned?
When you hit L to view the instances it should show you your AP title and AP until next rank. You can guesstimate your total AP based on your current rank according to this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points
The problem is one of my characters just turned Sergeant and is still a long ways from Alliance War skill rank 10, even though he's been eating the 50% skill gain tortes. He should have been AR 10 a long time ago. I'm not sure the special food is even working.
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✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »It's the same basic mistake they made with Psijic Ambrosia: Making it so rare that the only people who can afford it are people who don't really need it.
EDIT: Meant to say Aetherial Ambrosia.
True, but it's really made for no one to afford it since those that can don't need it. Which means.... the people that do want it buy it from crown store. Which is what they want with these new boosters too.
It's just more P2W stuff in disguise to give defenders something to stand on and say "see, it's in the game too, it's not P2W"-- @xaraan --
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Honestly it wouldn't even surprise me if it really doesn't work. I eat them on my low lvl alts and do BGs to get to rapids, but I haven't really paid attention to how much (if at all) faster it is to level up the skill line with war tortes.Where can I see exactly how much AP a single character has earned?
When you hit L to view the instances it should show you your AP title and AP until next rank. You can guesstimate your total AP based on your current rank according to this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points
The problem is one of my characters just turned Sergeant and is still a long ways from Alliance War skill rank 10, even though he's been eating the 50% skill gain tortes. He should have been AR 10 a long time ago. I'm not sure the special food is even working.
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly it wouldn't even surprise me if it really doesn't work.
That's what I'm saying, because if I never ate a single tort I should hit Alliance Rank 10 at 1,150,000 AP..... which is roughly halfway between Sergeant Grade 1 and Sergeant Grade 2. With a 50% skill boost I should have been AW skill rank 10 while still a Corporal.
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭Where can I see exactly how much AP a single character has earned?
When you hit L to view the instances it should show you your AP title and AP until next rank. You can guesstimate your total AP based on your current rank according to this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points
The problem is one of my characters just turned Sergeant and is still a long ways from Alliance War skill rank 10, even though he's been eating the 50% skill gain tortes. He should have been AR 10 a long time ago. I'm not sure the special food is even working.
Interesting - are you doing Cyro activities or BGs? I'm sergeant rank 2 and hit assault/support 10 2 ranks ago, so that doesn't seem right.
I've been making war torte to sell, but haven't used any myself yet because I haven't had a chance to get together with my BG party. It will be very disappointing if I farmed this recipe for ages and it doesn't work haha.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Interesting - are you doing Cyro activities or BGs? I'm sergeant rank 2 and hit assault/support 10 2 ranks ago, so that doesn't seem right.
I get AP about 50/50 split between Imperial City and Cyrodiil. I don't really do Battlegrounds.
And if you haven't eaten any XP tortes, then it's entirely possible that they are actually hindering skill gain instead of buffing it.
Did you gain AP during the double AP tests? I wasn't even playing Cyrodiil on this particular character during the tests. All he had done to that point was the 5 minute intro quest to get Rapids.
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I can 100% prove that tarts increase the progress of an alliance rank and I don't understand why so many people don't believe in this. Is the description really the problem? I also want to add to my first post that the whole alliance rank is a useless thing. If exp boosts help us get to the cap faster for our new characters, then the rank alliance does nothing. We're just unlocking new achievements, colors and titles. This is because the ingredients for 100% boost are too expensive, and for 150% they don't exist at all.PC/EU0 -
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Most of the people I see every day in Cyrodiil are recipe farmers taking up population cap space.
This might be a key point. I'm not saying it is, because I have no inside information, but it's obvious that if a substantial portion of the already small population in Cyrodiil are busy farming material nodes in remote locations and avoiding combat, there is less combat data for the struggling PvP server to process.
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✭✭BrownChicken wrote: »
I can 100% prove that tarts increase the progress of an alliance rank and I don't understand why so many people don't believe in this. Is the description really the problem? I also want to add to my first post that the whole alliance rank is a useless thing. If exp boosts help us get to the cap faster for our new characters, then the rank alliance does nothing. We're just unlocking new achievements, colors and titles. This is because the ingredients for 100% boost are too expensive, and for 150% they don't exist at all.
Wrong. I saw in one of Jharts shop scans that one portion of dew was for sale for 15M gold and that one market management tool suggested a price of 3M for it.
What a bargain.
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭Interesting - are you doing Cyro activities or BGs? I'm sergeant rank 2 and hit assault/support 10 2 ranks ago, so that doesn't seem right.
I get AP about 50/50 split between Imperial City and Cyrodiil. I don't really do Battlegrounds.
And if you haven't eaten any XP tortes, then it's entirely possible that they are actually hindering skill gain instead of buffing it.
Did you gain AP during the double AP tests? I wasn't even playing Cyrodiil on this particular character during the tests. All he had done to that point was the 5 minute intro quest to get Rapids.
Hmm, idk. I do mostly battlegrounds - I only go into Imp City for hakeijo and Cyrodiil for oranges + farming so not sure
I would say record your gain from doing 1 bg daily with and without it to be sure. OR when turning in the bg daily quests0
