MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »If I get a radiant mount from crown crates that come from my own money spent. Then I should be allowed to gift it to whomever I want. If I was gambling in Las Vegas and won 10 mil, I could use that money however I see fit... Including giving it away or exchanging it from something else.
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Blacknight841 wrote: »
If the game has a system in it where you are encouraged to gamble for a cosmetic item, then it should be treated as such. Since you cannot buy a radiant apex mount with crowns directly, it is completely circumventing the system to be able to buy it with gold from someone else. That is not how the crown crates were intended to be played.
As long as it is not duplicating the mount, I see no major problem here. ZOS is removing one crown item that was bought and giving it to another person.
mustangmorgan31 wrote: »I am very confused. Is anyone else? lol
Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
At many companies customer service roles are not provided clear and relevant operating procedures and/or do not have the opportunity to get clarification without 'annoying' their supervisor with escalated questions. So they are incentivized to do their best for the customer and make their request queue churn fast.Blacknight841 wrote: »I am more confused as to why they even allowed the first bound item to be gifted, not that it got out of hand. It was bound for a reason.
Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
As long as it is not duplicating the mount, I see no major problem here. ZOS is removing one crown item that was bought and giving it to another person.
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
How do you carry a Godslayer? I can understand a carry that involves a player sitting dead in the corner while the other 11 players clear the content. But a no death/hard mode/speed run? The best 12-man groups in the game struggle with those. How do you achieve that with 11 players and a potato?
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
How do you carry a Godslayer? I can understand a carry that involves a player sitting dead in the corner while the other 11 players clear the content. But a no death/hard mode/speed run? The best 12-man groups in the game struggle with those. How do you achieve that with 11 players and a potato?
I'm not entirely sure if this is correct, but I believe it may involve a player logging into the carry's account??
Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person already owns. In essence getting a gold refund from the recipient for crowns spent.
I highly doubt that it is accepted by zos, for me to gift the 100+ mounts from my inventory to other people, and get gold in exchange.
The Radiant Apex mount was purchased with crowns, as is everything in the Crown Crates. So I think that's a moot point. Someone paid for the crown crates at some point, or there would be no mount to gift.
Your contention is that ZOS Support has facilitated this exchange (in which case, it seems logical that they de facto allow it), yet you doubt that ZOS accepts this type of trade.
Hmm.
Honestly, I suspect either someone is overstating what Support will actually let them do or ZOS Support will allow it even though they prefer to not make it an obvious type of gifting (yet.) As I noted, Support has done this for houses, which eventually became giftable for players.
Support has allowed the gifting of houses, by buying a new house for that person. That is clear. What this issue highlights, is gifting a mount from a persons inventory. The gifting system allows for the purchase of a NEW item for a recipient, not for gifting old items already in a persons inventory. Gifting old and unused items bound to a players account is a different scenario entirely. In all gifting transactions, zenimax gets new crowns spent. This scenario is circumventing that. Instead it is recycling old items for a profit (after all you can only use one mount at a time). Also if it is an accepted thing, then why make anything bound to an account at all? Furthermore this will lead to a general influx of tickets for gifting items, taking away from the ability of zenimax concentrating on tickets that put more emphasis on gameplay.
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
How do you carry a Godslayer? I can understand a carry that involves a player sitting dead in the corner while the other 11 players clear the content. But a no death/hard mode/speed run? The best 12-man groups in the game struggle with those. How do you achieve that with 11 players and a potato?
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »Well - If you can't beat em, whats the price in Gold for Radiants? Just wondering... (already a crowns for gold buyer, non-subscriber)
I have no idea what it would go for on the XB servers, since I play PC-NA, but if you want a Godslayer carry, that will cost you - at minimum - 200mil.
How do you carry a Godslayer? I can understand a carry that involves a player sitting dead in the corner while the other 11 players clear the content. But a no death/hard mode/speed run? The best 12-man groups in the game struggle with those. How do you achieve that with 11 players and a potato?
It involves a lot of things being done before the trial instance is even entered.