Selling BOUND Mounts now allowed?
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Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »If the game has a system in it where you are encouraged to gamble for a cosmetic item, then it should be treated as such. Since you cannot buy a radiant apex mount with crowns directly, it is completely circumventing the system to be able to buy it with gold from someone else. That is not how the crown crates were intended to be played.
@Blacknight841 - If ZOS employees are facilitating the transactions, wouldn't that in its self suggest it is officially supported? Can you provide a link to where ZOS has said that is how crown crates are intended to be played? Or is this just a personal interpretation?
Here is a link to a statement by an official representative regarding the exchange of in-game items for in-game currency: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5205829/#Comment_5205829
It is one thing to gift an item from the crown store, it is another to gift a bound item from your inventory. By your argument, what's the point of binding something to an account if you can still gift it with a letter to zenimax? Because I have an extra perfected maelstrom staff, does that mean I can gift it to someone for gold... or even one of my older houses that I am no longer using, can I gift that to a person for gold? I think not.
Radiant Mounts are not part of your inventory - they are part of your collections, and are obtained through the Crown Store. There is precedent set with Crown Store house trading before the direct gifting of Crown Store housing was implemented into the Crown Store UI. Of course, all of this is on a per case basis that would allow the acceptance or denial of the transactions based upon CR discretion, as it must be transacted through the help ticket system.
With the previous house gifting, they did not take the item from your collections... But rather you had to purchase a new one for that person and you were charged that amount of crowns. Collections or not, you cannot gift the collections you have to other people, which is exactly the issue here. If people are allowed to gift radiant apex mounts without the cost of new crowns. Why would anyone want gift a new house when they can gift a previously owned house?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person already owns. In essence getting a gold refund from the recipient for crowns spent.
I highly doubt that it is accepted by zos, for me to gift the 100+ mounts from my inventory to other people, and get gold in exchange.
The Radiant Apex mount was purchased with crowns, as is everything in the Crown Crates. So I think that's a moot point. Someone paid for the crown crates at some point, or there would be no mount to gift.
Your contention is that ZOS Support has facilitated this exchange (in which case, it seems logical that they de facto allow it), yet you doubt that ZOS accepts this type of trade.
Hmm.
Honestly, I suspect either someone is overstating what Support will actually let them do or ZOS Support will allow it even though they prefer to not make it an obvious type of gifting (yet.) As I noted, Support has done this for houses, which eventually became giftable for players.
Support has allowed the gifting of houses, by buying a new house for that person. That is clear. What this issue highlights, is gifting a mount from a persons inventory. The gifting system allows for the purchase of a NEW item for a recipient, not for gifting old items already in a persons inventory. Gifting old and unused items bound to a players account is a different scenario entirely. In all gifting transactions, zenimax gets new crowns spent. This scenario is circumventing that. Instead it is recycling old items for a profit (after all you can only use one mount at a time). Also if it is an accepted thing, then why make anything bound to an account at all? Furthermore this will lead to a general influx of tickets for gifting items, taking away from the ability of zenimax concentrating on tickets that put more emphasis on gameplay.
How it used to work:
Person A wants to gift a house to Person B.
Person A asked Support to charge them X Crowns and to gift the house to Person B.
Support takes X Crowns for ZOS from Person A and gifts the house to Person B.
You can insert whatever item you like. Some people had luck doing it with some older items no longer in the Crown Store.
How this Radiant Mount gifting thing apparently works:
Person A spends loads of Crowns on Crown Crates.
Person A gets Radiant Apex Mount.
Person A asks Support to gift it to Person B.
Support does apparently does so, because ZOS already profited from Person A spending loads of crowns to get the Radiant Apex mount in the first place.
In both cases, ZOS gets their profit from people spending crowns to get the item they gifted.
This would be true if zos rolled new crown crates for the person and then charged them the total crowns. This however is a fact of gifting previous crown crate mounts that a person has bound to their account. In your scenario A a new house is purchased, in your scenario B, no new purchase is made.
No...in both circumstances, the purchase is made.
Person A purchased the house, and gifted it to Person B via Support.
Person A purchased the Crown Crates necessary to get Radiant Apex mount, then gifted the resulting mount to Person B, via Support - according to you.
In both cases, Person A purchases everything necessary. Support allows the gifting.
Assuming it actually happened, of course. You are the first person I've ever heard say that Support allows gifting collectibles from Crown Crates, instead of the more normal method of gifting the Crown Crates directly.5 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭Kalik_Gold wrote: »Kalik_Gold wrote: »I didn't thinking gifting Gem related items were a thing, proof please...
I did know you could gift straight up crown mounts... but having a Radiant gifted... that's new.
It's done through the help tickets.
Wow, that right there is a slap in the face, when real help tickets for Bots, Bugs and other issues are put on hold. I also put in tickets for out of season Crown Items before and were denied. It must be a whale thing where they buy so much they get special privileges, a regular player/payer would be denied I assume.
Don't be too disparaged. The tickets are tended to by order of urgency and complexity. Simple requests which can easily be resolved can be completed faster than complex submissions which require some level of investigation. It's not that your feedback doesn't matter, or that it's being ignored - it's just too involved to solve in a 10 minute period.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)0 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person already owns. In essence getting a gold refund from the recipient for crowns spent.
I highly doubt that it is accepted by zos, for me to gift the 100+ mounts from my inventory to other people, and get gold in exchange.
The Radiant Apex mount was purchased with crowns, as is everything in the Crown Crates. So I think that's a moot point. Someone paid for the crown crates at some point, or there would be no mount to gift.
Your contention is that ZOS Support has facilitated this exchange (in which case, it seems logical that they de facto allow it), yet you doubt that ZOS accepts this type of trade.
Hmm.
Honestly, I suspect either someone is overstating what Support will actually let them do or ZOS Support will allow it even though they prefer to not make it an obvious type of gifting (yet.) As I noted, Support has done this for houses, which eventually became giftable for players.
Support has allowed the gifting of houses, by buying a new house for that person. That is clear. What this issue highlights, is gifting a mount from a persons inventory. The gifting system allows for the purchase of a NEW item for a recipient, not for gifting old items already in a persons inventory. Gifting old and unused items bound to a players account is a different scenario entirely. In all gifting transactions, zenimax gets new crowns spent. This scenario is circumventing that. Instead it is recycling old items for a profit (after all you can only use one mount at a time). Also if it is an accepted thing, then why make anything bound to an account at all? Furthermore this will lead to a general influx of tickets for gifting items, taking away from the ability of zenimax concentrating on tickets that put more emphasis on gameplay.
How it used to work:
Person A wants to gift a house to Person B.
Person A asked Support to charge them X Crowns and to gift the house to Person B.
Support takes X Crowns for ZOS from Person A and gifts the house to Person B.
You can insert whatever item you like. Some people had luck doing it with some older items no longer in the Crown Store.
How this Radiant Mount gifting thing apparently works:
Person A spends loads of Crowns on Crown Crates.
Person A gets Radiant Apex Mount.
Person A asks Support to gift it to Person B.
Support does apparently does so, because ZOS already profited from Person A spending loads of crowns to get the Radiant Apex mount in the first place.
In both cases, ZOS gets their profit from people spending crowns to get the item they gifted.
This would be true if zos rolled new crown crates for the person and then charged them the total crowns. This however is a fact of gifting previous crown crate mounts that a person has bound to their account. In your scenario A a new house is purchased, in your scenario B, no new purchase is made.
No...in both circumstances, the purchase is made.
Person A purchased the house, and gifted it to Person B via Support.
Person A purchased the Crown Crates necessary to get Radiant Apex mount, then gifted the resulting mount to Person B, via Support - according to you.
In both cases, Person A purchases everything necessary. Support allows the gifting.
Assuming it actually happened, of course. You are the first person I've ever heard say that Support allows gifting collectibles from Crown Crates, instead of the more normal method of gifting the Crown Crates directly.
The issue here is that person A is gifting a house they purchase, they are not gifting a house from their collections. If that were the case, anyone tired of their old houses would just start gifting them, and not generate new revenue for zos. I Do not see an issue with gifting items from the crown store, but I do see an issue with gifting items out of a person collections that they are no longer using.
Gifting items from the crown store requires more crowns to be spent, gifting items from collections however does not require new crowns to be spent and instead recycles already spent crowns.
Gifting house = fine
Gifting house out of collections = not fine
Gifting crown crates = fine
Gifting Radient apex mount out of collections so a person has a guarantee of getting the item = not fineEdited by Blacknight841 on December 14, 2020 7:02PM0 -
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✭✭So tracking that down, google "elder scrolls online na xb1 band", and you can see what's going on. It appears to be happening on xbox mostly.1 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person already owns. In essence getting a gold refund from the recipient for crowns spent.
I highly doubt that it is accepted by zos, for me to gift the 100+ mounts from my inventory to other people, and get gold in exchange.
The Radiant Apex mount was purchased with crowns, as is everything in the Crown Crates. So I think that's a moot point. Someone paid for the crown crates at some point, or there would be no mount to gift.
Your contention is that ZOS Support has facilitated this exchange (in which case, it seems logical that they de facto allow it), yet you doubt that ZOS accepts this type of trade.
Hmm.
Honestly, I suspect either someone is overstating what Support will actually let them do or ZOS Support will allow it even though they prefer to not make it an obvious type of gifting (yet.) As I noted, Support has done this for houses, which eventually became giftable for players.
When the crown store, note please, crown STORE, not crates, started, there was an issue where a CS person was allowing people to buy "limited time" items that were no longer in the store. Once the admins realized that was happening, there was an official announcement that it wasn't allowed any longer. This incident might have a similar origin; someone that didn't realize they shouldn't do that, did it.1 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »If the game has a system in it where you are encouraged to gamble for a cosmetic item, then it should be treated as such. Since you cannot buy a radiant apex mount with crowns directly, it is completely circumventing the system to be able to buy it with gold from someone else. That is not how the crown crates were intended to be played.
@Blacknight841 - If ZOS employees are facilitating the transactions, wouldn't that in its self suggest it is officially supported? Can you provide a link to where ZOS has said that is how crown crates are intended to be played? Or is this just a personal interpretation?
Here is a link to a statement by an official representative regarding the exchange of in-game items for in-game currency: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5205829/#Comment_5205829
It is one thing to gift an item from the crown store, it is another to gift a bound item from your inventory. By your argument, what's the point of binding something to an account if you can still gift it with a letter to zenimax? Because I have an extra perfected maelstrom staff, does that mean I can gift it to someone for gold... or even one of my older houses that I am no longer using, can I gift that to a person for gold? I think not.
Radiant Mounts are not part of your inventory - they are part of your collections, and are obtained through the Crown Store. There is precedent set with Crown Store house trading before the direct gifting of Crown Store housing was implemented into the Crown Store UI. Of course, all of this is on a per case basis that would allow the acceptance or denial of the transactions based upon CR discretion, as it must be transacted through the help ticket system.
With the previous house gifting, they did not take the item from your collections... But rather you had to purchase a new one for that person and you were charged that amount of crowns. Collections or not, you cannot gift the collections you have to other people, which is exactly the issue here. If people are allowed to gift radiant apex mounts without the cost of new crowns. Why would anyone want gift a new house when they can gift a previously owned house?
You could also not gift the Crown Store housing to other people before the official UI implementation, though it still happened on a per case basis by official representatives. There is also massive risk being taken by the buyer since the process is not near-instant, as it is with a Crown Store gift trade; the ticket could take days to process without any guarantee it will even be approved. That's a lot of gold to be in limbo for that period if there is an intermediary, and if not - well - that is an even larger risk.
It seems your objection is based on personal moral and/or ethical reasoning, and not the validity of the process its self. You have taken the steps to file a help ticket to express your concerns, and that is all you can do at this point.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »Can you show what your proof is please, as whilst you have posted numerous times saying this is happening, that’s all it is - you saying this is happening. That isn’t proof.
This seems to be a growing problem in certain parts of the world these days
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Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭furiouslog wrote: »So tracking that down, google "elder scrolls online na xb1 band", and you can see what's going on. It appears to be happening on xbox mostly.
From my knowledge yes, but none the less... it IS happening.Edited by Blacknight841 on December 14, 2020 7:04PM0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person already owns. In essence getting a gold refund from the recipient for crowns spent.
I highly doubt that it is accepted by zos, for me to gift the 100+ mounts from my inventory to other people, and get gold in exchange.
The Radiant Apex mount was purchased with crowns, as is everything in the Crown Crates. So I think that's a moot point. Someone paid for the crown crates at some point, or there would be no mount to gift.
Your contention is that ZOS Support has facilitated this exchange (in which case, it seems logical that they de facto allow it), yet you doubt that ZOS accepts this type of trade.
Hmm.
Honestly, I suspect either someone is overstating what Support will actually let them do or ZOS Support will allow it even though they prefer to not make it an obvious type of gifting (yet.) As I noted, Support has done this for houses, which eventually became giftable for players.
Support has allowed the gifting of houses, by buying a new house for that person. That is clear. What this issue highlights, is gifting a mount from a persons inventory. The gifting system allows for the purchase of a NEW item for a recipient, not for gifting old items already in a persons inventory. Gifting old and unused items bound to a players account is a different scenario entirely. In all gifting transactions, zenimax gets new crowns spent. This scenario is circumventing that. Instead it is recycling old items for a profit (after all you can only use one mount at a time). Also if it is an accepted thing, then why make anything bound to an account at all? Furthermore this will lead to a general influx of tickets for gifting items, taking away from the ability of zenimax concentrating on tickets that put more emphasis on gameplay.
How it used to work:
Person A wants to gift a house to Person B.
Person A asked Support to charge them X Crowns and to gift the house to Person B.
Support takes X Crowns for ZOS from Person A and gifts the house to Person B.
You can insert whatever item you like. Some people had luck doing it with some older items no longer in the Crown Store.
How this Radiant Mount gifting thing apparently works:
Person A spends loads of Crowns on Crown Crates.
Person A gets Radiant Apex Mount.
Person A asks Support to gift it to Person B.
Support does apparently does so, because ZOS already profited from Person A spending loads of crowns to get the Radiant Apex mount in the first place.
In both cases, ZOS gets their profit from people spending crowns to get the item they gifted.
This would be true if zos rolled new crown crates for the person and then charged them the total crowns. This however is a fact of gifting previous crown crate mounts that a person has bound to their account. In your scenario A a new house is purchased, in your scenario B, no new purchase is made.
No...in both circumstances, the purchase is made.
Person A purchased the house, and gifted it to Person B via Support.
Person A purchased the Crown Crates necessary to get Radiant Apex mount, then gifted the resulting mount to Person B, via Support - according to you.
In both cases, Person A purchases everything necessary. Support allows the gifting.
Assuming it actually happened, of course. You are the first person I've ever heard say that Support allows gifting collectibles from Crown Crates, instead of the more normal method of gifting the Crown Crates directly.
The issue here is that person A is gifting a house they purchase, they are not gifting a house from their collections. If that were the case, anyone tired of their old houses would just start gifting them, and not generate new revenue for zos. I Do not see an issue with gifting items from the crown store, but I do see an issue with gifting items out of a person collections that they are no longer using.
I'm not saying it generates new revenue for ZOS. I'm saying ZOS gets their money's worth from the sale.
In both cases, Person A spent the crowns needed to buy the item, so I'm not sure why you seem so hung up on it. After all, you say Support allowed this, so apparently ZOS doesn't mind. After all, they got paid.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You have anything better than a "wts" link to Imgur to prove this actually happened, @Blacknight841?
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✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »You have anything better than a "wts" link to Imgur to prove this actually happened, @Blacknight841?
Exactly. That pic is not proof of anything. Looks like a scam attempt, if anything.6 -
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✭✭✭Oh well. According to at least one message on that link, people are selling their accounts, too. :sigh:0 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »You have anything better than a "wts" link to Imgur to prove this actually happened, @Blacknight841?
You don't have new people posting every day that they are selling their mounts if it isnt substantiated by some evidence. The evidence has been presented to zos, it is up to them if they want to allow it to go on or not. I guess if they take no action, then anything in a persons collectible is deemed ok to sell via ticket.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone else feel like this would be ripe for really slick scam?
"Hey, man, I got a buddy in Support who will gift t!his Radiant Apex mount to you for the cheap, cheap price of a ton of gold!"
Did look it up. Fun reading. https://band.us/band/58629829
Also, if you believe the screenshot, Support isn't fond of being taken advantage of. Seems to have been allowed, but not meant as a wholesale practice.
Edited by VaranisArano on December 14, 2020 7:15PM6 -
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This.VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
This it require one player who want crown items and has a lot of gold and another player with little gold but willing to burn money for it, both wins. ZoS also wins as they get crown sales they otherwise probably miss.Blacknight841 wrote: »Blacknight841 wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Trading in game items, which includes gifting for gold, is allowed by ZOS.
Asking Support to help out is the known workaround for stuff that used to not be giftable, like houses. Support doesn't really care who pays as long as ZOS gets paid.
Gifting items that can be purchased for crowns sure. Gifting items from your inventory that you are not using just because you would rather have gold, I think not. Can I gift a bout maelstrom staff? A radiant apex cannot be purchased by crowns, so one should not be able to gift the item from their inventory.
This isnt merely about gifting items. This is gifting items a person owns. In essence getting a gold refund from he recipient for crowns spent.
When you gift an item from the crown store, it requires a new injection of crowns to zenimax. This however does not require any injection of crowns into the system,.
Bought plenty of crowns myself simply as I can not use up my gold otherwise.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭Update to this juicy drama:
From the Band the Radiants are being sold from.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)3 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭Grizzbeorn wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »You have anything better than a "wts" link to Imgur to prove this actually happened, @Blacknight841?
Exactly. That pic is not proof of anything. Looks like a scam attempt, if anything.
This pic is one of many of many of the posts on there. I would guess that the people stating they have confirmed sales, are in fact honest about it. It would be a horrible scam for people to post it, and then convince other people to post the same thing, with no arguments or contention about it being a scam on the comments.1 -
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✭Update to this juicy drama:
From the Band the Radiants are being sold from.
So OP narc'ed and kept the borked crown crate system firmly in tact.5 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭Update to this juicy drama:
From the Band the Radiants are being sold from.
....quick to shut it down, and yet the bugs and server issues remain.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Update to this juicy drama:
From the Band the Radiants are being sold from.
I mean, they are totally right. It was inevitable that ZOS would figure out that players were quickly making it more than a "hey, can you do me a rare favor" thing and instead trying to use Support as a clearinghouse.
At that point, ZOS either has to make it available for everyone or, more likely, say "Guys, we have people with real issues waiting for help. No more favors for a while."0 -
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✭Huh.
This makes me wish we could trade Radiant Apex Mounts with others. An RA for an RA.0 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS actually looks at that page, other people might be hurting at some point.
I completely agree. its amazing how some people always have the exact same amount of raw material available for sale, every single day, like their "hirelings" are more efficient than everyone else's.Edited by Blacknight841 on December 14, 2020 7:25PM2 -
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✭✭Just to be clear, you sent me a link to a picture. Of someone apparently wanting to sell an RA mount.
That is not proof. That is a picture.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mustangmorgan31 wrote: »I am very confused. Is anyone else? lol
Judging by what's been posted by the players doing it:
Players seem to have asked ZOS Support to gift bound collectibles like radiant apex mounts.
Support, having done this in the past for other items on an individual request basis, appears to have done so.
Players then turned it into a cottage industry.
Support didn't appreciate the influx of requests, and is no longer going to facilitate gifting of bound items.4 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Does anyone else feel like this would be ripe for really slick scam?
"Hey, man, I got a buddy in Support who will gift t!his Radiant Apex mount to you for the cheap, cheap price of a ton of gold!"
Did look it up. Fun reading. https://band.us/band/58629829
Also, if you believe the screenshot, Support isn't fond of being taken advantage of. Seems to have been allowed, but not meant as a wholesale practice.
I am more confused as to why they even allowed the first bound item to be gifted, not that it got out of hand. It was bound for a reason.3 -
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✭If I get a radiant mount from crown crates that come from my own money spent. Then I should be allowed to gift it to whomever I want. If I was gambling in Las Vegas and won 10 mil, I could use that money however I see fit... Including giving it away or exchanging it from something else.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »Just to be clear, you sent me a link to a picture. Of someone apparently wanting to sell an RA mount.
That is not proof. That is a picture.
This is where I looked. Unless its an elaborate scam, this does seem to have been happening. https://band.us/band/586298292
