This is a very long post because it has a lot of information which needs to be explained in explicit detail, so please bear with it. There is no other real way to explain this problem. So I wanted to make sure I gave a very thorough and detailed description which outlines everything.

This topic most likely will not change anything, but this problem does need to be addressed because it royally pisses me off. I just needed to post this for everyone else who has a problem with this.

Thanks!

P.S. if you're going to troll, not read the topic,leave a reply solely off the title of this topic please don't, it's counter productive. Clogging the topic so other people who want to participate won't be able to do so easier is immature. Please be respectful of everyone's opinion.

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I will begin by saying there are several groups of people that will get involved with this topic.
Those who will not like this
Those that do not understand it
Those that will argue against this
Those who understand exactly what I'm talking about and agree with this.

Please respect everyone's opinion and don't attack anyone. This topic specifically exposes a problem within the games so called market, that has gone unchallenged until now. Because I'm challenging it by exposing a flaw in the games so called market, that will develop hate because someone is coming in will be labeled as disruptive or a troll. But the fact is name calling or getting mad, doesn't change the problem that does in fact exist. People that like the system, will say it isn't a problem. Anyway, please keep it civil and work towards a resolution for this so everyone wins.

Regardless of opinion, I will explain things in detail so that there is nothing to misunderstand, and the problem cannot be denied.

Ok so here is the situation:
The sales system in this game is bad...What I mean by that is, Guilds are the only people who have been granted the ability to sell things on the traders.
Restricting who is allowed to sell things in the traders in an MMO means those people are now setting the games entire prices for everything.

TTC and MM both read guild data for the sales, which is directly derived from the PRICING, which means guild people are telling every single person in the game the price of something which is absurd.

People at this point now will say all sorts of rubbish such as, anyone can sell anything how they want, or no one is stopping you from selling anything, you get the idea.

The flaw in people's statement starts with TTC/MM. The instant anyone in chat posts something they are selling and puts their own price on it, they are instantly met with some a-hole in zone chat linking what both TTC and MM have recorded for sales which again comes directly from the prices people are posting.

Anyone that tries to explain TTC and MM do not have any business being used in Zone chat because those use guild PRICING not buying data and zone isn't a guild, are met with even more a-holes posting even more total nonsense comments that don't even apply such as TTC and MM say so or everyone buys them at that price...or that's the going rate.

The problem with those comments people fail to grasp is that there was never any actual market set up to reach that point. Instead the guilds put the pricing and then that's it..So Yeah of course people buy them at that price, it's the only price they've had forced onto them by the guild people posting it like that.

People need to seriously stop attacking people who complain about this in chat and literally believing that somehow the market gradually became like that through natural course of progression when it sure in hell did not.

There are 2 phrases people say in the game that really get on my nerves
1. That's the going rate.
2. It's market value.

The reason those phrase annoy the *** out of me is because they are both false.
People are taking a one sided market which had the prices prepped and posted by the guilds instead of everyone which would allow a naturally progressed market, then forcing it into conversation as if that price people are complaining about was choice by players. That is completely absurd!

If everyone was allowed to post on the guild trader for sale, then the prices from TTC/MM wouldn't be an issue when people use them to link prices to things in chat because they would reflect and actual market, not this rigged *** the guilds have been doing.

Another thing people need to stop saying in chat that is false is about TTC/MM.
People are trying to say that TTC and MM reflect market value and they do not. They reflect what guilds price things at and nothing else. GUilds putting prices on everything is the direct data that you see people saying TTC and MM are using..

Fact is sale prices only happen when pricing is put up for sale, the sale price is actually what dictates everything. Without the sale price there is nothing to buy, which means TTC and MM are 100% both guild pricing tools ONLY and as such, need to be kept out of every place in the game outside of guilds. The use of Both TTC and MM especially need to be banned from zone chat and let me explain why.

Everyone uses zone chat because it's public, this includes people who aren't even in a guild. Sure guild members use Zone chat, however Guild members are the only ones allowed to sell things no one else people who are not ina guild and in zone chat cannot do that.

This situation literally creates 2 completely separate markets people can say no it doesn't all they want, but it does and here is how.
If only guild members can put things up for sale on the traders, then how is it getting actual market value if the other people cannot put things up themselves. The guilds are setting prices without the say of anyone else not in a guild, then those prices are forced onto the people no in the guild and who cannot actually post something for sale. So you only get guilds which is a one sided market and it's set for people. So this is why people saying it's the going rate or average price are completely wrong. you cannot get an average price to reflect real pricing when only one side of the market is being allowed to produce data.

The next thing about this is people who say well don't buy it, excuse me...but what I'm sorry. but that phrase is completely asinine. The only way for anyone to buy anything from anywhere, IS through the guild trader. And don't say zone chat either because any time someone tries to post in zone chat with their own price, all people link TTC and MM which is again gets it's data directly from guild pricing.

This brings me to the topic title, because TTC and MM use GUILD ONLY data, and no one is being allowed to sell things in general chat without TTC and MM being thrown at them, they need to be barred from being use any place outside a guild, especially in zone chat where people are trying to make their own prices and they are still being subjected to guild pricing via TTC and MM.

People constantly use TTC and MM so there is zero hope for anyone in zone chat to be able to sell/buy anything for their own pricing.

This brings me to the overall aspect, if people want to use TTC and MM in zone chat that would be fine PROVIDED TTC and MM are getting REAL market value which can only be achieved by allowing everyone to post things for sale on the traders instead of just guild members. If people don't want that, then you have no business forcing people who cannot sell things on their own to what guilds tell them they have to sell things for..that is idiotic and it breaks the economy.

What is happening now is this (Using Walmart and Target as the example this will show people how bad this is for the economy:
Walmart represents guilds
Target represents the Zone chat and people putting their own prices
Both businesses are under 1 roof.
TTC and MM represent the building Target and Walmart are both. and there is a load speaker that runs to both stores

Now everyone can go shopping at either place, however Walmart can only dictate prices at Walmart and no place else, same with target. They are literally 2 completely different places and economy systems. One cannot be forced into the other and TTC and MM only using data from WALMART not both businesses.

Now you have 2 businesses with data only being used from one store.

Anyone can go buy anything from either store, however this is when problems start occurring, someone from target tries to sell something, instantly anyone from Walmart that is in target. flock to the person in target and start linking data from TTC and MM.

When it's pointed out that Target is not Walmart, instead of people saying oh yeah this is a different store, they instead get very aggressive, and Walmart will even come over the loud speaker and start saying what the going rate is and literally drowning out the person in target.

TTC and MM need to have data from BOTH stores collected before any type of so called average price or going rate is. Right now, all people are doing is using Walmart prices, which has been set by Walmart and then forced into target so no one in target has a say.

Sorry people but you do not have a going rate or average price without everyone being able to participate..You simply just don't.

Right now in the current set up of the game when people use the phrases
GOING RATE/AVERAGE PRICE, they are saying it's the going rate IN WALMART ONLY, not in target. You must have the data from both stores in order to say going rate or average price, if you don't have data from both store, then you have a one sided going rate that should not be being applied to anyone that isn't being allowed to participate.

This *** of Guilds can force their prices onto people that are not in a guild but people not ina guild cannot force their prices onto guilds, needs to end

Either allow everyone to sell on the traders so that TTC and MM will reflect a real market and value in this game and get an actual going rate because it has all people participating in that data.
Or
Ban the use of TTC and MM from being use anywhere except in guilds.

Again please be respectful of people's opinions.

Thank you!