HatchetHaro wrote: »

Ruder wrote: »

I don't understand how one can make decision to force Player vs Player content to be running with relics like rabbits or jumping from flag to flag AVOIDING the main Purpose of MMORPG PvP which is TO KILL OTHER PLAYERS.

So... you've never heard of Capture the Flag or King of the Hill before?

Ruder wrote: »

We already play every game as a DM, the problem is that we do not get score for it and on some occasions is hard to tell which team leads.

Are you aware that you can also get kills while defending objectives? Crazy, right?

It only works if everyone is on board all it takes is one or two people not interested in the objectives to break the whole balance of the match and rend it meaningless, furthermore forcing people into this situation when they are not interested in it ensures this happens every single time. I did objectives for the first week and was 1# 2# and 3# on all of the respective leaderboards PC NA ( Dat Haki duo queue partner) but it got boring pretty much right after that, the only thing worse than trying to do objectives vs people who don't even care is trying to deathmatch people who don't even want to fight, it takes ALL the sport out of it.

Prior to this change I had not queued randoms more than once a day for the quest for at least 6 months, nobody puts countless hours of work and testing to go stand on a flag with their deathmatch optimized build, it's ludicrous. I have no issue with people who like other modes, but deathmatch is the ONLY mode where you cannot avoid the objective intentionally or from lack of interest because the objective is in your body not once have I seen a person in a deathmatch go try to cap a flag.

Artorias24 wrote: »

Deathmatch and Chaos ball are the only game modes i enjoy. Where actuall PvP is required to win.

Domination is boring as hell cause you win when you dont PvP and just run from flag to flag.

Why even put a leaderboard for game modes when you cant choose them? What is that type of competition that is tied to rng?

Give Deathmatch its own queue for solo and group. 100% sure it will be the most active one.

Most domination and usually relic games are won by the team that participates the least in actual player versus player.

Its dumb.

Having a whole team with overwhelmingly negative kda win the match just beacuse they run to the flag from spawn without trying to even fight is not pvp.

If you queue for pvp, be ready to pvp. Period.

I would be okay with objective modes if things like domination or relic werent so horribly bad.

Sarousse wrote: »

Battlegounds are the plague of PvP MMOs. They just shouldn't exist.

They should just do like in WoW, a PvP toggle that phases all PvP players together, and let them fight in all Tamriel. Also put in the justice system through players.

Wow has Battlegrounds and Arena pvp as well, both are actually more popular than open world pvp.

MKintr wrote: »

Why can't people just play the game mode, they are in? If it's capture the flag, then go and capture flags. If it's relic hunt, then go and get relics or defend yours. Instead they behave like a stubborn child and persist on playing Deathmatch, even when it means your team looses the match.

Also I don't see the reason for a drama. Every mode still has a huge portion of killing enemies in it. Like killing those, that try to steal your relic or capture the same flag. So there is enough opportunity to satisfy your bloodthirst. At least game modes are now much more diversified then before. However, a separate queue for Deathmatch only addicts could be something to think about.

Something that can't be said often enough:^^
If you are in Deathmatch don't run around alone like a bunch of headless chickens, spread all over the map going alone against groups of 4.

very good question for which we wont get answer or we have it already - because they want deathmatch, they want just kills ignoring bg mode

and flags and capture relic....it isn't to good balanced jsut towards killing - tanks will win here, normal build for pvp here will be not that hard to kill while standing on flag or running with relic, now take a tank here, maybe he wont be even able to kill you but so you wont be able do to much to him while he will by staying on flag and so you wont be able to flip this flag - you ahve lost at this point fighting with tank,
same will go with relic and chaosball, just tank will take it and with relic all he need is speedbuff with snare cleanse and mostly you wont be able to take him down, here you are again on lose....even if you will be nuking him with group this wont be enough because he also have group which will support him by not letting your team to fully focus this tank
so there not so much options for pure killing players on different modes which favor more tankly builds than for killing at all


while in deathmach you actually need to kill players to win in rest modes I will say full team of tanks with cc's will have much higher chance to win than nontankly players
mostly also because how crap balance we have here for so long....like it doesnt matter how much you will sacriface to be literally paper, no armor, nothingdefensive but full damage - you will still have problem to kill tank, you will need to "work" to kill him on combo while you as glass cannon you are just so defensless you are still not hard kill even for tank

ThePedge wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Ruder wrote: »

We already play every game as a DM, the problem is that we do not get score for it and on some occasions is hard to tell which team leads.[/i]

There are still players who prefer traditional game modes (capture the flag being the most traditional) which, unlike in DM, involve thoughtful planning and strategy development.

You lost me there Chief.

What thought goes into standing on a flag holding block? Or hiding in stealth at spawn to kill anyone who tries to pick up your relic. Sure, thats a valid strategy. But it requires less thought and skill than actually fighting other people and trying to win those fights.

the thought is more on the strategic level, lets compare the typical through process of DM, CTR and CK

DM

• Where's the enemy?
• Where's the team?
• Is this fight going favorably?

CTR

• Is any of my team staying to defend?
• should I go with them to help capture or stay to defend myself?
• the entire green team is coming, do I take them all on to buy time and hope others arrive to help or do I run to their base to prevent them from being able to capture?
• orange team is capturing the green relic while they go after ours, team has green busy should I help or try to ninja cap?

CK

• Where's the flag?
• how long has the flag been up?
• Given that everybody is most likely rushing the flag, should I hang back to pick people off or dive into combat?
• new flag just spawned, should I go after it or keep pressing after this one?
• People from both teams are approaching the flag I'm at, should I back off and try to pick off the winner or try to stand my ground and hope my team can arrive to help in time to not loose the flag?

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Oh. So the matches where I get teamed with people that look like idiots because they play like its DM and completely ignore objectives, its because some people legit play every round like its DM?

Just....why.....

But yes, please give us back options. I love Chaos Ball. I miss queueing for it.

Because the scoreboard still shows number of kills/deaths/assists in objective matches, and kill achievements are dished out as well. Obviously it shouldn't, as they are largely irrelevant.

GetAgrippa wrote: »

If they're committed to the group queue remaining random then I'd settle for a 50% chance at deathmatch and a 50% chance at a different game mode. As it is right now, players are being rewarded for being unkillable. At least with a 50% shot at a deathmatch they'll have to build some damage into their builds or else they'll just be unsuccessful half the BGs they play. Right now I maybe get 1 out of 10 BGs a deathmatch. Some days go by and I don't see any at all.

The above point about random mode incentivizing pure tankiness is very important.

Flag games and control point modes offer an opportunity to be successful whilst doing almost no damage and focusing entirely on survivability. Given that these game modes are more prevalent with random matchmaking, there is further justification for building full tank specs. Frankly, these builds are annoyances and antithetical to the core experience most players expect out of PVP. Making death match occur 50% of the time will help balance the impact of these builds in battlegrounds matchmaking.

It's still a mess as is, at least deathmatch would improve the "fun"