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New Weapon Trait to replace Decisive.

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MindOfTheSwarm
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Let's be honest here, Decisive sucks. It just does not offer enough for it to be used in any build whatsoever. I propose a new trait to replace it.
  • Pauls
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    Charged sucks btw, do you want to replace it too?
    Edited by Pauls on December 6, 2020 12:29PM
  • AshfieldLad
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    Charged has uses with brittle though 🙃
  • MindOfTheSwarm
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    AshfieldLad wrote: »
    Charged has uses with brittle though 🙃

    I think Infused and Charged should be combined into a single trait.
  • Vildebill
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    Pauls wrote: »
    Charged sucks btw, do you want to replace it too?

    Charged is great for MagDK, especially in PvP.
    EU PC
  • MrBrownstone
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    Isn't decisive the bis PvE tank trait?
  • GrimTheReaper45
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    Decisive is something Id like to see stick around. There always going to be 1 best at pure damage, that always switch from patch to patch. Sharp, precise, infused, they all just change patch to patch as to whats going to result in higher damage. Something like decisive though, especially in ideal balance of the game, gives players an option for more unique builds. A good example would be an ult generating tank or healer. I use to run decisive on my negate tank, really no point to that build now with time stop being a thing but its just one example. There are a ton of utility ults or even dps builds that could make use of this.
    Edited by GrimTheReaper45 on December 6, 2020 1:39PM
  • Tsar_Gekkou
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    Warhorn uptime is important.
    Xbox NA healer main
    vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+3 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA HM | vRG HM |
    Flawless Conqueror | Spirit Slayer | Dro-mA'thra Destroyer | Tick-Tock-Tormentor | Immortal Redeemer | Gryphon Heart | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Planesbreaker |
  • Vevvev
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    Vildebill wrote: »
    Pauls wrote: »
    Charged sucks btw, do you want to replace it too?

    Charged is great for MagDK, especially in PvP.

    ^ this

    Without it a lot of Dragonknights would be starved for resources since Combustion gives resources on poison and flame procs.
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    AshfieldLad wrote: »
    Charged has uses with brittle though 🙃

    Concussion too
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    And no thanks, I very much like decisive. It's a supportive trait.
  • ankeor
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    Umm. No, thanks.
  • Warraxx
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    Edited by Warraxx on December 6, 2020 11:02PM
  • UntilValhalla13
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    Change invigorating, if anything.
  • Juhasow
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    Pauls wrote: »
    Charged sucks btw, do you want to replace it too?

    Charged have its use in both PvE and PvP. Having almost if not guaranteed status effect proc from enchantment and decently high chance from other abilities is usefll for certain setups.
    Edited by Juhasow on December 7, 2020 12:01AM
  • OlumoGarbag
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    The problem atm is, that alot of ults are underperforming due to min and major buff changes otherwise the trait would be stronger. It's still a solid backbar choice for any ult focused build or a genius set build
    class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling
  • idk
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    MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »
    Let's be honest here, Decisive sucks.

    If we are truly going to be honest then there will always be a trait that sucks. Change decisive by buffing it or make it something different will lead to another trait sucking.
  • EdmondDontes
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    MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »
    Let's be honest here, Decisive sucks. It just does not offer enough for it to be used in any build whatsoever. I propose a new trait to replace it.

    But decisive is a great trait if used correctly. It's great on a tank who wants to build ulti fast.
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    Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »
    Warhorn uptime is important.

    Let's be honest here, Warhorn sucks. It just does not offer enough for it to be used in any build whatsoever. I propose a new ult to replace it.
    :trollface:
    Edited by Wyrd88 on December 7, 2020 1:48AM
  • OneWingedAnge7
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    I use decisive on my back bar AS 2h so I can get my ult back inside a minute so I can go wolfing in bg's :)
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    Wyrd88 wrote: »
    Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »
    Warhorn uptime is important.

    Let's be honest here, Warhorn sucks. It just does not offer enough for it to be used in any build whatsoever. I propose a new ult to replace it.
    :trollface:

    As an Assault Ultimate , I want to know anybody slot this skill in alliance group ?

    IDK , because I play solo all the time
  • Hapexamendios
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    UntilValhalla13 wrote: »
    Change invigorating, if anything.

    Agreed for armor.


    For weapons, I'd be inclined to get rid of powered myself. I don't know anyone who uses it even on their healers.
  • deleted008293
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    I'm not into combat stuff but here are some insights...

    Maybe some of those traits could increase the duration of effect over time skills?
    Or increase healing received.
    Or reduce damage income from this, that and that...
    Or affect player speed / sneak abilities...

    Hell maybe we even need more traits in the future?
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    Hapexamendios wrote: »
    UntilValhalla13 wrote: »
    Change invigorating, if anything.

    Agreed for armor.


    For weapons, I'd be inclined to get rid of powered myself. I don't know anyone who uses it even on their healers.

    There is use for it in PVP, because of the Battle Spirit healing reduction there can be setups/classes/specs that need all the easily accessible Healing Done modifiers on the defensive/healing bar.

    I mean, i have on several solo builds a Powered weapon on SnB bar. It can be very efficient trait if built properly.

    Decisive in 1h (half value) is kinda weak though compared to other choices, but not useless. 1H weapon Decisive value could be slightly buffed imo.

    I do like Decisive as a trait in some tanky ultigen setups and do not support the idea it being changed to something else.

    Couple more new traits would be cool though, if it does not mean up and down balancing of them every few months. :D
  • Rowjoh
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    Invigorating is the bum trait.

    All other traits, including Decisive, are very useful in one way or another.
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    Rowjoh wrote: »
    Invigorating is the bum trait.

    All other traits, including Decisive, are very useful in one way or another.

    Nirn on amour is a close tie
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    Decisive can be and is used by support roles in PvE or PvP if they don't need something else. Though Powered is kind of superfluous. It's use should be covered by Precise/Nirnhoned.

    Likewise, Reinforced and Nirnhoned should be collapsed into one trait.

    Does anyone use invigorating?
    Edited by thadjarvis on December 7, 2020 4:51PM
  • MindOfTheSwarm
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    Ok so the consensus is get rid of Invig. fair enough. That does suck too. So what would you want in exchange of Invig?
  • Red_Feather
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    Make is so that when you are at full ultimate, Decisive does something new! 😊
  • MindOfTheSwarm
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    I was thinking a trait that buffs the actual ultimate itself in some way when you use up your excess Ultimate points.
    For example say you used 500 ultimate on Elemental Rage that costs 250 ult. Maybe the other 250 could be added as Spell Damage to that ultimate as well as increase the ultimate's duration say... 50 ultimate points give an extra second. Maybe this could be an addition to Decisive while Invigorating could be swapped out for something new entirely.
  • Mythreindeer
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    Invig could be buffed to the point it is useful which could open up choices in skill lines or passives, etc
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