Taleof2Cities wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Cloudtrader wrote: »

This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Yep really want to enjoy playing other classes but can't.

You can. It is your choice whether you prefer getting everything on one character,

Exactly. It's your personal choice that pursuing some high "achievement score" on a single character is more important to you than, I dunno, having fun playing a game? You clearly don't want to "enjoy playing other characters" more than you want to 100% your achieves.


(which reminds me, I really really don't understand the whole XBox "Gamerscore" subculture - the idea of playing games & genres you don't even like, just because they will add to this 'score' is just baffling.)

maybe but at the end it is hard to enjoy o play single class for years just to have every achievement on this character
sorry but I like to have completed everything what is possible in game and sorry but you will get burned finally after playing only single character nonstop to achieve this, I would want very much to play with variety of skillss, classes to use but yet Im stuck on this single because I want to have everything complete

if I atleast could change class of my character......but at the end we are with possibility to create in total 18 different character and yet are we stuck to play single character only because an players group like to complete acheives in 100%?

It’s still your choice to continue to pursue achievements on your main, @iksde ... nobody is forcing you to continue something that is clearly not fun.

As I said earlier in the thread, there’s nothing secret about MMOs and their long list of achievements ... players already know the kind of grind it is before starting their first character.

nobody is forcing me to continue....but at all for what we have achievs? arn't they like goals like to just unlock skin account wide for character or to get BiS gear for endgame? this is same goal for our playstyle and ZOS constantly is changing ongoing meta making 1 class to op and 2nd just usless or the worst possible option for content so nobody will want to take you for carry run for lets say triple on trial because you will be literally ball on chain for rest of team

as we are at this thread at all wouldn't be more immersive to have also skins and colours locked per character along with achievement? becaus it would make more sense at all because you didnt get most of these if anything like skins on your fresh created character, you didnt run vet trial or get emperor and yet our 3lvl character can wear skin from vAS+2, emperor's regalia and ride sunspire champion senche-lion

if achievements avaible for account wide or lets say for few characters at once if we could make it for immersion an "familiy" of these characters is so wrong, not pleasant od whathever for everyone against this then why we have account wide collectibles which are unlocked by acheivements? I would vote for all or nothing if you ask me
this would make perfect view of players who want so badly everything per character to unlock for fun, for immersion, for RP and who want be jsut completionists and play how they want at once, if no they can always just leave game yes? all or nothing, people will get the best oppuortunity to finally stop playing this game with way they play and they struggle at all and stop struggling

It would be nice if some other things like titles were account wide. Kite and group healing vAS+2 without dying isn't hard, but to get Immortal Redeemer, the other 11 people have to not space out during a crucial moment and die. I only have it on a templar at the moment, but I could throw a resto staff on any of my classes and kite heal that place without dying at this point. It just sucks that to be able to get it on another character, I have to gamble on whether or not anyone I go in there with will screw up.

Zos has specifically said they want players to "billboard"(a.k.a. show off) their hard earned titles/rewards so that they make players wanna achieve the same. Well I have almost every title/achiev in the game but my main that I quest and stuff is a stamina char( my bad for the wrong choice i guess...) so he still rockin that Flawless Conqueror 😂. Yet my magblade has every trial trifecta and like 6k achiev points total... My magden has emperor and many many hard to get pvp achievs and 8k points total... There are so many different activities in the game that you have to either sacrifice being optimal or not get the achiev on your main. Also tbh it gets boring only playing one class/spec and i shouldnt be punished for playing multiple.

I still believe it should be all or nothing, questing in zones can be fun because you're getting cp - but with cp account shared there is no point in doing any overland quests so for ever on that alt toon you will have 0% zone completion because cp is shared.
So why not just zones and have those achievements shared.
They're not difficult, just a massive time sink with no rewards.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The best advice is forget about achievements and enjoy the content. ZOS has said (recently) they’re not doing class change.

Same ZOS said once they have no plans for alliance tokens.
Blizzard said they will never allow faction change in WoW (which at the time was seen as big deal and had the community divided about the subject), but after some time they implemented it.

We might see a class change token in the future, I guess it will depend on how much money they can make selling them.

To be honest, I would like more account wide achievements, or at least the ability to link achievements from other chars.
Before class tokens I would like to see a 2nd cp/morphs/points tab for each char.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

It would be nice if some other things like titles were account wide. Kite and group healing vAS+2 without dying isn't hard, but to get Immortal Redeemer, the other 11 people have to not space out during a crucial moment and die. I only have it on a templar at the moment, but I could throw a resto staff on any of my classes and kite heal that place without dying at this point. It just sucks that to be able to get it on another character, I have to gamble on whether or not anyone I go in there with will screw up.

Titles being account wide would be an awful change. I take pride in getting difficult to earn titles on different characters. Why should an alt of mine have the former emperor title when he hasn’t been emperor? Why should another alt have flawless conqueror when she hasn’t even entered vMA? It makes 0 sense to have account wide titles.

why should you character which didnt earned achievement weak just any skin or personality or costume earned from achievement which he didnt get but different character?

same why should your character be albe to use any dye he didnt get achievement for this? you didnt earn this all on your fresh alt and yet you can use it

we can still use on 1lvl character mount hardly earned from vSS channelges, make him wear emperors regalia at all so for what title? along with personality and skin from also very hard content?

see? this all is nothing different than simple title, if we cant have title for account wide why we have collectibles which are unlocked by achievements or vice-versa? if we can use every collectible account wide unlocked from achievement then why cant we use title as earned collectible?

and tbh title is less visible than very glowing from distanse skin or mount from hard content

It makes perfect sense to have skins, dyes, costumes etc to be account wide but titles show what you have done on that particular character like a badge of honour. Titles are perfectly done on this game to be honest and they should remain the way they are.

what sense? this is literally same case, your character is doing content and earning acheivement for which you are rewarded with skin or title
your new character never stepped on content with this rewarding achievement and yet you got skin to use when your character never been here at all

let me guess, you dont want to buy more runs than you can now get it unlocked for account?

titles are not different rewards for acheivements than skins, costumes, personalities, for everything you need to get achievement to get and yet all of this excapt 1 thing you have account wide while achievement is earned fo single character and is per character rather than account wide achievement

I don’t get it? Almost all rewards you unlock are account wide right?

iksde wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

It would be nice if some other things like titles were account wide. Kite and group healing vAS+2 without dying isn't hard, but to get Immortal Redeemer, the other 11 people have to not space out during a crucial moment and die. I only have it on a templar at the moment, but I could throw a resto staff on any of my classes and kite heal that place without dying at this point. It just sucks that to be able to get it on another character, I have to gamble on whether or not anyone I go in there with will screw up.

Titles being account wide would be an awful change. I take pride in getting difficult to earn titles on different characters. Why should an alt of mine have the former emperor title when he hasn’t been emperor? Why should another alt have flawless conqueror when she hasn’t even entered vMA? It makes 0 sense to have account wide titles.

why should you character which didnt earned achievement weak just any skin or personality or costume earned from achievement which he didnt get but different character?

same why should your character be albe to use any dye he didnt get achievement for this? you didnt earn this all on your fresh alt and yet you can use it

we can still use on 1lvl character mount hardly earned from vSS channelges, make him wear emperors regalia at all so for what title? along with personality and skin from also very hard content?

see? this all is nothing different than simple title, if we cant have title for account wide why we have collectibles which are unlocked by achievements or vice-versa? if we can use every collectible account wide unlocked from achievement then why cant we use title as earned collectible?

and tbh title is less visible than very glowing from distanse skin or mount from hard content

It makes perfect sense to have skins, dyes, costumes etc to be account wide but titles show what you have done on that particular character like a badge of honour. Titles are perfectly done on this game to be honest and they should remain the way they are.

what sense? this is literally same case, your character is doing content and earning acheivement for which you are rewarded with skin or title
your new character never stepped on content with this rewarding achievement and yet you got skin to use when your character never been here at all

let me guess, you dont want to buy more runs than you can now get it unlocked for account?

titles are not different rewards for acheivements than skins, costumes, personalities, for everything you need to get achievement to get and yet all of this excapt 1 thing you have account wide while achievement is earned fo single character and is per character rather than account wide achievement

They are different though. You don't call someone a doctor unless they have a phD, but anyone they know can go into thier closet and put thier clothes on.

Bottom line is there needs to be some distinction for the character that actually completed the content, otherwise there'd be no point for some of us to play alts at all. I think they've done an excellent job of balancing what's account wide with what's character bound. If you have a theme for a new character and want to set up thier outfit, personality, mount, pet and skin, you can do that, you can dress them for the job they want right from creation, as long as you've done that content previously. If you want the title that comes from that content you gotta do the work.

They've even given an additional compromise by allowing you to purchase the skill lines and skyshards acquired by previous characters. You can even buy motifs if for whatever reason you care about having the physical motif on more than one character. The system is as accommodating as can be for everyone but the most ocd of completionists. Any moreso and all your characters might as well have the same name too because they'd be nothing more than an overly complex class and race change system.

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Any moreso and all your characters might as well have the same name too because they'd be nothing more than an overly complex class and race change system.

and thast it.....whenever I like to create my alt literally copy paste of my main and just to play different class for fun, for break from my main and yet I have literally nothing which I have achieved from my main or I would not get anything new for my main while playing me alts

so after all....cant we have something like a "parenting" system which I heard some time probably as example also on this forum? how we could bind an character to another character and their activities would be shared like achieveemensts or map progression by quests
like also for me for example when I was imaginating to play on different alt for me, with different story, I imaginaded myself how I could "link" few characters story together and make them like 1 character is helping world in 1 alliance or map and 2nd character on different zone and we have completed both of these zone by different character for each zone.....making it a bit...umm...realistic?.....like world is so huge and weird how single person could do so muc on this world and so with my example make this big world to be more immerisve it got more than single hero helping people in need for each zone/map/place

iksde wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Any moreso and all your characters might as well have the same name too because they'd be nothing more than an overly complex class and race change system.

and thast it.....whenever I like to create my alt literally copy paste of my main and just to play different class for fun, for break from my main and yet I have literally nothing which I have achieved from my main or I would not get anything new for my main while playing me alts

I understand this mindset when it comes to the long-play type achievements, like kill 1000 wolves or whatever. These types aren't really meant to be grinded but more seen as an overall benchmark of time played, and so I can understand the frustration some people feel if they want to view their time played as a whole across thier account.

For me I view those things as a benchmark of time played per character and it's neat for me to be able to see how my habits are different depending on the character I'm playing based on the individual achievements they've each unlocked. So if I'm playing on a character and 'achievement unlocked: Wolf hunter' pops up on my screen (just a made up example) I can say, oh wow I must have spent a lot of time in zones with wolves on this character. And if it's a title befitting of the character I can set it as thier title if I want to because it's something they've actually done.

It's funny we both have similar motivation for our view points just from an opposite perspective. You find playing on alts to be a waste of time because every Wolf your alt kills is a wolf your main didn't kill. For me every wolf one character kills is a small step toward distinguishing them from the rest of my characters, and if achievements were shared I'd find playing alts a waste of time because all of those notifications letting me know I've reached a benchmark would've already happened while I was on previous characters.

I'm a little less understanding when it comes to the achievements we have more control over, like quest, dungeon and trial completion, or exploration, or crafting related. These are obtained more through set goals rather than happenstance and if you want the title for a specific character whether it's a main or not there's nothing really stopping you.

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Any moreso and all your characters might as well have the same name too because they'd be nothing more than an overly complex class and race change system.

and thast it.....whenever I like to create my alt literally copy paste of my main and just to play different class for fun, for break from my main and yet I have literally nothing which I have achieved from my main or I would not get anything new for my main while playing me alts

I understand this mindset when it comes to the long-play type achievements, like kill 1000 wolves or whatever. These types aren't really meant to be grinded but more seen as an overall benchmark of time played, and so I can understand the frustration some people feel if they want to view their time played as a whole across thier account.

For me I view those things as a benchmark of time played per character and it's neat for me to be able to see how my habits are different depending on the character I'm playing based on the individual achievements they've each unlocked. So if I'm playing on a character and 'achievement unlocked: Wolf hunter' pops up on my screen (just a made up example) I can say, oh wow I must have spent a lot of time in zones with wolves on this character. And if it's a title befitting of the character I can set it as thier title if I want to because it's something they've actually done.

It's funny we both have similar motivation for our view points just from an opposite perspective. You find playing on alts to be a waste of time because every Wolf your alt kills is a wolf your main didn't kill. For me every wolf one character kills is a small step toward distinguishing them from the rest of my characters, and if achievements were shared I'd find playing alts a waste of time because all of those notifications letting me know I've reached a benchmark would've already happened while I was on previous characters.

I'm a little less understanding when it comes to the achievements we have more control over, like quest, dungeon and trial completion, or exploration, or crafting related. These are obtained more through set goals rather than happenstance and if you want the title for a specific character whether it's a main or not there's nothing really stopping you.

wow, I finally see someone understanding it from someone from opposite site or I finally wrote it more clear xD

so like 2 sides of medal....for us 2 we are right from our points

but at the end....wouldnt be it enough option for someone who want and someone who doesnt want account wide achievs...make an option to link characters together? mainly if not only this for for every of us who want account wide achievs is just diversity between classes and their roles for what they are and our infirmity like we have our main but also have characters with specific class, role to run group content because this role is needed but not our main character

as for me here I will say I dont care for titles at all but I was pointing their case from my opinion in posts before...all I care along with my friends are jsut achievements and even eidetic memory lorebooks, just to be able to complete everything on 100% but yet we cant because we dont have possiblities for this depending on our guild mates and/or how just game work.

Like the best example is eidict memore lorebooks for this where we have some of them locked behind quest places to which we cant retrun, some are possible to get only during doing quest and we cant get them now because we have done all story long ago not caring yet for things like this for 100% completionists

just simple option to link characters together or to 1 main character, it could be even limited just as for amount possible classes to play so for now max we could lin 6 characters together or 5 to 1 making it total 6, this would be enough for us to have peace and enjoy for playing alts especially when we got bored of our main character and here is no need for account wide achievements, just link characters if you want or no if you dont want without changing anything I guess from basics, roots of system

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MMOs and achievement hunting are like water and oil, @Starlight_Knight ... they don’t mix well together.

Players know there’s an inherent grind baked in before they even purchase a MMO title and click “play”.

The best advice is forget about achievements and enjoy the content. ZOS has said (recently) they’re not doing class change.

I would dispute that claim. Achievement hunting is part of the thing that motivates many of us players. Perhaps it doesn't motivate you, but you are not the only type of player.