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Sick of playing my main for achievements.
Starlight_Knight
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I cant be alone in this surly.
Playing alts is punishing and unrewarding.
I think the issue for me is achievements, the game has this half in half out approach, My cp, motifs and dyes etc are unlocked yet none of the other stuff... its a bit senseless and really frustrating, once you hit 50 and have completed your guild grinds, that's it, finished.
Any more time you spend playing content your main hasn't done is punishing.
I would have really liked to make a new toon for the recent DLC's and had a fun time roll playing as a holy templar, or even a magica night blade vampire.
But instead every new bit of content that comes out i have to take my stupidly OP end game magden dps in for the achievements.
imho achievements should be all or nothing.
Playing alts is punishing and unrewarding.
I think the issue for me is achievements, the game has this half in half out approach, My cp, motifs and dyes etc are unlocked yet none of the other stuff... its a bit senseless and really frustrating, once you hit 50 and have completed your guild grinds, that's it, finished.
Any more time you spend playing content your main hasn't done is punishing.
I would have really liked to make a new toon for the recent DLC's and had a fun time roll playing as a holy templar, or even a magica night blade vampire.
But instead every new bit of content that comes out i have to take my stupidly OP end game magden dps in for the achievements.
imho achievements should be all or nothing.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why you feel the need to play with your main for the achievements since, as you pointed out, cosmetic unlocks are account-wide. Why didn’t you take a new character through Greymoor? This is the approach I’ve been taking with different chapters and I enjoy it.
I do have a main that I’ve done the most on, but I don’t plan to go through every chapter with them and almost certainly not PvP. 4 -
Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »I don’t understand why you feel the need to play with your main for the achievements since, as you pointed out, cosmetic unlocks are account-wide. Why didn’t you take a new character through Greymoor? This is the approach I’ve been taking with different chapters and I enjoy it. I do have a main that I’ve done the most on, but I don’t plan to go through every chapter with them and almost certainly not PvP.
Because achievements aren't account bound? Why would someone want to play through greymoor on a new character when they could play through it on their main and obtain the achievements on the one char where they matter?34 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MMOs and achievement hunting are like water and oil, @Starlight_Knight ... they don’t mix well together.
Players know there’s an inherent grind baked in before they even purchase a MMO title and click “play”.
The best advice is forget about achievements and enjoy the content. ZOS has said (recently) they’re not doing class change.2 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »Because achievements aren't account bound? Why would someone want to play through greymoor on a new character when they could play through it on their main and obtain the achievements on the one char where they matter?
For those players that care about achievements, this has been a pain since the game launched.
Out of my 10 chars, i have 4 mains i play often and 2 new chars i'm currently leveling (the rest are storage mules).
One of my mains is dedicated for achievement hunting but the current system does discourage making new characters for new content since you will have to play it at least twice to get all the achievements on the right char, and i just can't find the motivation to do that.
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✭✭✭✭✭To me achievements are just something to do when bored. I play for the exploration and role play. I do have a StamBlade that does everything first, however I realize some achievements are easier to obtain on other characters. My MagSorc is my only Stormproof, as well as the only one with several vet Trial clears, while my StamBlade specifies in questing and PvP.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!4 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »MMOs and achievement hunting are like water and oil, @Starlight_Knight ... they don’t mix well together.
Players know there’s an inherent grind baked in before they even purchase a MMO title and click “play”.
The best advice is forget about achievements and enjoy the content. ZOS has said (recently) they’re not doing class change.
and yet achievements are just different content for players and as OP and I have same thinking
while Im as "completionsit" player I just need to get everything which is possible for me and yet this is literally impossible if I want to play alt because I want break from my main class...
when I got sick of playing my main class for 4 years in row since beta I was playing on 3 different alts, classes to get more jot of playing a bit different, on these I was not caring for achievs because they wasn't my mian and I odnt mind getting again tons of achievs just on alts whcih I dont main....
after time I ended going back on my main and now Im unable to get some acheivements whcih I get on alts because I was progressing with people vet ocontent, dlc dungs, trials, I got achievs from them on alts like trial MH's or dung triples and now Im literally unable to get them all again on my main because I have no longer people interessed running this again, old content
and same I could say about just grind/long achievs....Im not going to repeat them for alts but I can say I could do them lets say 5x more in total, on account to get this unlocked account wide to have reason to care to play more to play also on my alts as a completions because for now Im just stuck for single character with this7 -
Cloudtrader✭✭✭✭✭This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.10
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »I don’t understand why you feel the need to play with your main for the achievements since, as you pointed out, cosmetic unlocks are account-wide. Why didn’t you take a new character through Greymoor? This is the approach I’ve been taking with different chapters and I enjoy it. I do have a main that I’ve done the most on, but I don’t plan to go through every chapter with them and almost certainly not PvP.
Because achievements aren't account bound? Why would someone want to play through greymoor on a new character when they could play through it on their main and obtain the achievements on the one char where they matter?
What do you mean by “where they matter”? As far as I know, chapter achievements are always their own separate grouping; there’s no overarching achievement for completing objectives in both Elsweyr and Summerset, etc. So I ask again, why do you need all achievements on one character? Titles aren’t account-wide, so all the more reason to complete the chapter or other content on whichever character you want to have the title.
If you enjoy completing everything on your main, that’s cool, you can do so. But if you want to complete separate content on different characters, you can do that too and you lose nothing — dyes, pets, skins, etc. are account-wide unlocks. So I ask again, why do you feel the need to play your main for the achievements when you say that is otherwise not what you want to do? What am I missing?1 -
daagarSoul ShrivenIt is just how achievement systems have wired us to be. Do we _need_ all achievements on one character? No, it is just cosmetic like anything else. But there is a desire to be able to look at a single scorecard/list and "see" everything completed right there all at once. No different than using an addon that shows you your inventory across all characters. Could you log on to each character one by one to see who has what? Sure. Is it easier to just see everything from one character? Absolutely.1
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✭✭✭I agree OP. The issue is even more exasperated in ESO vs many other MMO's because there is no real reward system that allows the player to show off their actions. In WOW you get a cool mount (I think there are 425 mounts in wow and they are not all re-skins like in eso) when some of the hardest tasks are achieved. These come with achievements, or you could say these achievements come with mounts/pets etc, but the overall idea is that you can "show off" what you have done in game. In ESO this is mostly limited to trophies, and although they are fun and cool, they are not something you can show off in game while questing, PVPing, or just sitting in a city.
If achievements were more rewarding, perhaps players like yourself would not feel "tired" of the system.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is just how achievement systems have wired us to be. Do we _need_ all achievements on one character? No, it is just cosmetic like anything else. But there is a desire to be able to look at a single scorecard/list and "see" everything completed right there all at once. No different than using an addon that shows you your inventory across all characters. Could you log on to each character one by one to see who has what? Sure. Is it easier to just see everything from one character? Absolutely.
That's an argument for the much-called for achievement summary sheet for the whole account, accessed off the character selection screen and which would show you all the account's achievements and which characters earned them, rather than an argument for allowing all characters to share the achievements so that, for example, when one character has discovered a wayshrine they all have.
I'm all for a summary sheet, and wholly against account-wide sharing of achievements which would destroy the whole point of playing multiple characters for all but those who just want to roll a different class and dump it straight in "endgame" after camping a dolmen for 50 levels.4 -
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I have never seen anyone ask for this, making wayshrine *discovery* account wide.... rather than an argument for allowing all characters to share the achievements so that, for example, when one character has discovered a wayshrine they all have ...
It's weird that you would pick that one thing literally nobody has ever asked for to make an argument against account wide achievements.
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I have never seen anyone ask for this, making wayshrine *discovery* account wide.... rather than an argument for allowing all characters to share the achievements so that, for example, when one character has discovered a wayshrine they all have ...
It's weird that you would pick that one thing literally nobody has ever asked for to make an argument against account wide achievements.
Apologies, I meant skyshards
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✭✭Sounds to me like somebody needs a break or to move on to a new game. That's ok, eventually everyone hits the proverbial wall in a game where it isn't fun and you are logging in cause you feel you have to.0 -
Weesacs✭✭✭✭✭C'mon ... it's not difficult to get 42,000 achievement points on 8 characters!
😂Edited by Weesacs on November 28, 2020 7:58PMBreton Templar
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✭Yep really want to enjoy playing other classes but can't.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.5 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yep really want to enjoy playing other classes but can't.
You can. It is your choice whether you prefer getting everything on one character, want to do different things on different characters or want to do everything on multiple characters. If your derive more enjoyment from getting everything on one character than you would from playing different classes, that’s your choice.3 -
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✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Yep really want to enjoy playing other classes but can't.
You can. It is your choice whether you prefer getting everything on one character, want to do different things on different characters or want to do everything on multiple characters. If your derive more enjoyment from getting everything on one character than you would from playing different classes, that’s your choice.
Sure, but skyshards, quests, and skill points are an enormous grind that you have to replay yet again. Not worth it really.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »
Exactly. It's your personal choice that pursuing some high "achievement score" on a single character is more important to you than, I dunno, having fun playing a game? You clearly don't want to "enjoy playing other characters" more than you want to 100% your achieves.
(which reminds me, I really really don't understand the whole XBox "Gamerscore" subculture - the idea of playing games & genres you don't even like, just because they will add to this 'score' is just baffling.)2 -
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✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Yep really want to enjoy playing other classes but can't.
You can. It is your choice whether you prefer getting everything on one character, want to do different things on different characters or want to do everything on multiple characters. If your derive more enjoyment from getting everything on one character than you would from playing different classes, that’s your choice.
Sure, but skyshards, quests, and skill points are an enormous grind that you have to replay yet again. Not worth it really.
Enormous is an understatement, LOL.
Lately I find myself in quandary about how one levels Scrying/Excavation on a 3rd character. The first two characters one levels scrying/excavation on can be done by finding the purple lead in every zone to help attain points to level. But on the third character you have no more zone purples to scry. So it becomes a task of green/blue/green/blue/green/blue unless you actively look for a purple lead, which itself takes time.
Essentially, the more characters one does scrying/excavating on, the harder/longer it becomes to level. This is in direct opposition to how most MMORPG's work, where once you complete the task on a main, alts have an easier time.
It does not seem very well thought out, in my opinion.
Edited by Raideen on November 28, 2020 8:27PM6 -
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✭✭Cloudtrader wrote: »This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.
That’s because it isn’t punishing... personally I prefer collecting achievements on my main and when I log onto my alts I don’t even think about achievements unless I’m going for specific titles on that alt. I never understood the obsession some people have with account wide achievements since having achievements already unlocked on every character gives you less to look forward to and strive towards on your alts.2 -
iksde✭✭✭✭Cloudtrader wrote: »This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »
Exactly. It's your personal choice that pursuing some high "achievement score" on a single character is more important to you than, I dunno, having fun playing a game? You clearly don't want to "enjoy playing other characters" more than you want to 100% your achieves.
(which reminds me, I really really don't understand the whole XBox "Gamerscore" subculture - the idea of playing games & genres you don't even like, just because they will add to this 'score' is just baffling.)
maybe but at the end it is hard to enjoy o play single class for years just to have every achievement on this character
sorry but I like to have completed everything what is possible in game and sorry but you will get burned finally after playing only single character nonstop to achieve this, I would want very much to play with variety of skillss, classes to use but yet Im stuck on this single because I want to have everything complete
if I atleast could change class of my character......but at the end we are with possibility to create in total 18 different character and yet are we stuck to play single character only because an players group like to complete acheives in 100%?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cloudtrader wrote: »This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.
That’s because it isn’t punishing... personally I prefer collecting achievements on my main and when I log onto my alts I don’t even think about achievements unless I’m going for specific titles on that alt. I never understood the obsession some people have with account wide achievements since having achievements already unlocked on every character gives you less to look forward to and strive towards on your alts.
The problem is there are two types of achievements that get lumped together here. 1 is the accomplishment type: beat a dungeon, finish a quest, gain a pvp rank. The other is passive: find lorebooks, find rare monster trophy drops.
The first sets don't need to be account wide imo. But the second set absolutely do. Monster trophy drops are poor RNG. Your main could farm 1000s of a monster and never get a drop and an alt could get the drop on the first 1. If you are trying to complete that achievement on your main, the drop on your alt, and even the playtime on your alt, is detrimental to that achievement, and any collective achievement for that matter. And for something like lorebooks, there are literally books that can no longer be accessed if you didnt read then during the quest. Once you miss them you can never get them. Except on alts. But since alts can't contribute to achievements with the main character, it's essentially pointless.6 -
Nirntrotter✭✭✭✭✭100% with you OP. I'm sick of choosing between completion and being a burden on my team by bringing a suboptimal class to progression.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I would not find it surprising if Zos did add an account-wide listing for achievements. It would work well alongside the current character list and provide the benefits of both worlds without any drawback. Keep the titles bound only to the character that earned it like now and the change would not harm anyone.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cloudtrader wrote: »This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »
Exactly. It's your personal choice that pursuing some high "achievement score" on a single character is more important to you than, I dunno, having fun playing a game? You clearly don't want to "enjoy playing other characters" more than you want to 100% your achieves.
(which reminds me, I really really don't understand the whole XBox "Gamerscore" subculture - the idea of playing games & genres you don't even like, just because they will add to this 'score' is just baffling.)
maybe but at the end it is hard to enjoy o play single class for years just to have every achievement on this character
sorry but I like to have completed everything what is possible in game and sorry but you will get burned finally after playing only single character nonstop to achieve this, I would want very much to play with variety of skillss, classes to use but yet Im stuck on this single because I want to have everything complete
if I atleast could change class of my character......but at the end we are with possibility to create in total 18 different character and yet are we stuck to play single character only because an players group like to complete acheives in 100%?
It’s still your choice to continue to pursue achievements on your main, @iksde ... nobody is forcing you to continue something that is clearly not fun.
As I said earlier in the thread, there’s nothing secret about MMOs and their long list of achievements ... players already know the kind of grind it is before starting their first character.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, my original main has most of the achievements, but after they wrecked his playstyle by taking away his stealth and making him more vulnerable in PvP with a passive that gives his position away sooner, I switched to playing other characters that still fit with TESO lore and how I like to play.
It sucks because he was far and away the closest to someday being a Grand Overlord, but all for naught as I had to start over a new PvP main from scratch.1
