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The game doesn't feel rewarding

StarOfElyon
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I try not to pile on the devs because I know they work hard but something here feels unethical. If customers are valued, the product should reflect that. Rather, it feels like the customers are disrespected with a product that doesn't function, and when it does function it works in a way that rewards lazy play.

I have NPCs that are missing from my quests (I've put in a ticket through the game). Every night, the game crashes now. And there are builds in PVP that I can't kill wearing two damage sets yet they can hit me once and proc two effects that nuke my life-bar. What did I even spend years trying to be skilled at the game for then? It was a waste of time. And feeling like I've wasted my time is the big slap in the face as a paying customer.

I try to overlook the fact that old classes need to be updated while new classes that people have to pay to play are being added. There's enough in the game that can be expanded and deepened. And while good ideas come along (like leads to antiquities that can reward exploration) there's also the feeling that the game is only being expanded with the sole purpose of getting us to pay for the new thing. This again feels like a slap in the face.

The devs have done good things. When the old sets in the game were being adjusted and made more competitive, that felt good and made me excited to look at some of those sets again. I don't want to only point out the bad. It's just that the bad is so bad that it leaves me feeling like a fool for still being loyal to the game.
  • AliRay
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    I think a lot of people are feeling this way. The lack of transparency, refusal to acknowledge issues and communicate what's going on really IS a slap in the face. The reasons for accounts being banned or deleted (even on the forums) is just about ridiculous at times. I don't disagree that the Devs are at work it just feels like there is a huge disconnect and a miss as far as what the Community Managers could, no, SHOULD be doing to maintain contact and a connection with the player base. I use Rift as an example here, a game with its own issues, but the Community Manager they had before I stopped playing a while back would get on every Friday, they did giveaways, hung out in game with the players, would run around overland with them and would answer questions. They would answer the good, the bad, and the ugly. They didn't treat their playerbase like uninformed scrubs or worse, like it feels like we're treated here, as if we are not owed any kind of explanation at all. This feels more governmental and cold and doesn't make me feel connected to the game anymore. If the devs ARE working on stuff, then they could tell us. They could tell us what challenges they face, what the issues are they're up against. It makes the playerbase have the warm fuzzies if we're treated with that level of dignity and also makes us feel involved. I don't know if it's because people are WFH right now or what but the game has definitely seen better days. I barely play anymore outside of a few trials and trading here and there and that makes me sad because it's a beautiful game but there are so many game breaking bugs that it makes it impossible to play the way it's intended and nobody seems to know why. Maybe one day. Or perhaps the days of MMOs as we knew them are coming to an end.
  • ShawnLaRock
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    It’s literally not rewarding, when we couldn’t complete vHRC this eve - after more than 20 DCs, and bottom boss glitch etc. Couldn’t do WR2 or Selene’s yesterday. Wondering what is going to happen trying to farm a dagger from Castle Thorn today... ugh.

    S.
  • badmojo
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    Stop paying them for this treatment.
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  • cave_troll
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    I have also a lot of negativ feelings towards the state of the game.

    It kinda feels like it is being abandoned slowly.
    I do suspect it is because they use most of their ressources for their new project. In their twitch streams they pretend like there are only minor problems.

    I really would like to get the snowglobe home but I wonder If it's a good decision to use real money. Also with the new MMOs coming next year ESO might lose a lot of players.

    But I will stop here before I get silenced.

    Edited by cave_troll on November 27, 2020 1:42PM
  • Iccotak
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    I’m hoping that Microsoft will invest in the project to pick up the slack
  • GreenhaloX
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    I feel you.. Yes, it can can be quite frustrating, but the crashes, bugs and whatever technical issues plaguing the game have been occurring and reoccurring for years. It's the same things over and over again with every DLC and chapter releases. It can be mind boggling as how the same chaos reoccur over and over again.

    Well.. the feeling of reward (or sense of self-fulfillment) I get in this game is when I go help out someone having a hard time and calls for help at a world boss, dragon, harrowstorm or something. After they respond with a thank you, it does feel a bit rewarding; especially when they say "please" with their initial call. Also, being courteous in that fashion does go a long way in my neck of the wood.
    Edited by GreenhaloX on November 27, 2020 1:50PM
  • StarOfElyon
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    badmojo wrote: »
    Stop paying them for this treatment.

    My eso plus has been canceled but it's still good for about another month.
  • cave_troll
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    I also wish their was any PvP balance at all.

    But I fear that If they nerf classes they might become useless in PvE. My current main is a stam warden. I play PvE most of the time switching from bow/bow to 2h/bow as the situation changes. Warden seems to be broken in PvP that's why I fear for PvE nerfs because it is not balanced seperately.
  • Mettaricana
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    Pretty much done with eso... the content is just copy paste assets proc sets,no skill and the harder you try the less rewards... guy spams light bow attacks entire fight will probably pull the sharpened weapon we all came here to get... while you get a resto staff of a stam set... grind all day for mats no gold anything. Go for a dungeon aaaaannnnnd we froze. When will that be fixed? Zos: welp we'll make a halfassed attempt in 3 months break a few more things and then force a limited reskin sale down your throat. And lets not forget the every 3 month ritual of ruin an entire class or gear set just to revert all changes later and call it a buff to make the new players feel like they weren't cheated.
  • iksde
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    AliRay wrote: »
    I think a lot of people are feeling this way. The lack of transparency, refusal to acknowledge issues and communicate what's going on really IS a slap in the face. The reasons for accounts being banned or deleted (even on the forums) is just about ridiculous at times.

    yeah lately I got few reports for names...with 1st ticket I could talk some with support and get help to find more agaoinst TOS or offending names which was sucess, they found more names for which I gould get reported in futere and get rid of them right now but also they forced me to change name on few more names which was fine for whcih I was so suprised they are agaisnt TOS...but after question for them they apologise me for this, here was fine work with support

    but after next time I got next warn and suspended for 3 days in game because for NEXT! violating name!!!! and the best it it doesnt even matter how much I was explaining for myself it is error, it is not my fault because I was now noot aware becaue of last contact wtith support about bad name which I just wrote, everything I was writing was cleary ignored and at the end their response was:

    "Your request for an appeal has been reviewed and denied. Due to our previous attempt to curb this behavior being ignored, it has been decided that the suspension on this account will remain in place and will expire"

    which is the best in it becasue I got reported for name which was created with character good 5 years ago and everything was fine and it wasn't even noticed along other ciolationg names for which I asked to look at my account, I havn't created a single new name since this 1st warning because of my bad name and yet I got punished so hardly and ignored

    I still tried to talk with support but it get me nothing, literlly 100% of my informations for this case was just ignored and now Im jus scared I can again get reported for something Im not even aware and got again suspended or even ban this time because support wont read anything I want to explain for me defense and support blindly judge for reports
    like....."Loves tea bags" was offensive name and they even didnt give me any response how this name is violating TOS and they jsut ound this nme being offensive for report fr different nme while I was playing on EU and this "Loves tea bags" name was on NA server for which I want's logging for 1-2 years now
  • Husan
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    badmojo wrote: »
    Stop paying them for this treatment.

    My eso plus has been canceled but it's still good for about another month.

    I tried. But the game is unplayable for me without ESO+, just because of the lack of storage for crafting materials. By themselves they already take more than the 240 slots that you can get max without ESO+, not to mention all the inventory juggling you have to do just to put the crafting materials in your bank.

    I also don't own many of the DLCs, Markarth for example I could not play without ESO+.
  • Idinuse
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    I try not to pile on the devs because I know they work hard but something here feels unethical. If customers are valued, the product should reflect that. Rather, it feels like the customers are disrespected with a product that doesn't function, and when it does function it works in a way that rewards lazy play.

    I have NPCs that are missing from my quests (I've put in a ticket through the game). Every night, the game crashes now. And there are builds in PVP that I can't kill wearing two damage sets yet they can hit me once and proc two effects that nuke my life-bar. What did I even spend years trying to be skilled at the game for then? It was a waste of time. And feeling like I've wasted my time is the big slap in the face as a paying customer.

    I try to overlook the fact that old classes need to be updated while new classes that people have to pay to play are being added. There's enough in the game that can be expanded and deepened. And while good ideas come along (like leads to antiquities that can reward exploration) there's also the feeling that the game is only being expanded with the sole purpose of getting us to pay for the new thing. This again feels like a slap in the face.

    The devs have done good things. When the old sets in the game were being adjusted and made more competitive, that felt good and made me excited to look at some of those sets again. I don't want to only point out the bad. It's just that the bad is so bad that it leaves me feeling like a fool for still being loyal to the game.

    So much this.
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  • EdmondDontes
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    I sincerely hope the Devs see this thread. If we weren't such big fans of the game when it works, we wouldn't be so disappointed right now.
  • Jaimeh
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    I know the feeling you express OP: players love the game and keep coming back, but the bugs pile on, there's lack of communication, blatant milking of the CS, etc., so it's like an exploitation even, to keep making as much money as they can with a broken product. The way they are treating their playerbase is abhorrent: ''Please buy our new DLC and then wait 3 weeks for incremental patches that don't fix anything''... It's our fault, I guess, but I agree OP that they are indeed treading on almost unethical grounds.
    Edited by Jaimeh on November 27, 2020 3:49PM
  • HoosierPappy
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    Its happened in other games as well. You pay for the expansion, then its a bug infested crash fest. You complain, but get responded to about how there would BE no expansion without the "pay to play" which is true and we WOULD fuss about no expansions if there were none.....its a vicious merry go round. 6 of one, half dozen of the other......I guess you gotta let your conscious be your guide. Yes Im subbed, but I feel like im somewhat rewarded for it more than buying the DLC's and getting stuck with JUST the bugged addon. Again, 6 of one, half dozen.......I mean, I hate to love this game, but I love to hate it too!! LOL.
    Just sign me as "a foolish mortal"!
  • PurplePlatypus
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    IMO they are working on a new MMORPG (about two years) and are no longer interested in "doin' ESO better". So just don't pay'em or play another game.
  • Galwylin
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    I don't want to only point out the bad. It's just that the bad is so bad that it leaves me feeling like a fool for still being loyal to the game.

    Upfront. No one should ever play a game out of a sense of loyalty. Its either fun or its not and when its not you should stop playing. Even if at one time you did have fun with it and even if you think there's hope for the future of the game. Here and now it should be how you feel about playing this game. You could find a new way of enjoying it. I do this by simply playing for thirty minutes then finding something fun to do with my day. Something that doesn't try to sell me something at extremely high prices. I think part of what Zenimax loves about Elder Scrolls is the loyalty their fans have which makes its much easier to milk them for more money. So of course they do happily. Especially ESO.

    At its best ESO is just a big Eh. It can be a fun diversion but it seems to meander all over the place to what it wants to be. And its not been a good ride nor do we seem to be anywhere near a destination.
  • vestahls
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    Husan wrote: »
    badmojo wrote: »
    Stop paying them for this treatment.

    My eso plus has been canceled but it's still good for about another month.

    I tried. But the game is unplayable for me without ESO+, just because of the lack of storage for crafting materials. By themselves they already take more than the 240 slots that you can get max without ESO+, not to mention all the inventory juggling you have to do just to put the crafting materials in your bank.

    I also don't own many of the DLCs, Markarth for example I could not play without ESO+.

    You know you don't need to carry around all those crafting materials all the time though. I only got ESO+ for a few months at a time throughout the past 4 years, and for the longest while have gone without. That, plus the periods when there's ESO+ free trial, fills up the craft bag so fast you won't need to save everything.
    Just give it a go, it's incredibly easy now with the collections book, because there's no more unnecessary sets taking up space.

    Playing without ESO+ is entirely doable.
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  • daktary2001
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    This. They have a knack to mistake us as users and not as paying customers. I canceled my eso+ and made a few people leave this mess of a game for greener pastures. I come check the forum from time to time to see if they changed but seing this makes me shake my head in disgust.
    I have a team of 20 people working for me. If the person at zenimax were working for me I would fire a lot of them. Customers are important. More than anything
  • tigerborn62
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    I completely feel the same way. With personal events that happened for me last year, coupled with this years craziness, I no longer am able to be so "forgiving" and look the other way while so many things are just so off in this game. Just can't. There is something "empty" about this game and I've been feeling it for awhile now. I guess I'll just have to pull the plug and move on. Oh well. I've been playing since beta and now I have no idea why. Very sad and disappointing.
  • erio
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    Pvp for me is the most rewarding thing. I run around solo and have a great time. Sometimes im screwed by zos but most of the time I am rewarded for my efforts.
  • Saucy_Jack
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    ESO is about the journey, not the destination.
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  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    IMO they are working on a new MMORPG (about two years) and are no longer interested in "doin' ESO better". So just don't pay'em or play another game.

    Yep, but if it's the case I hope a lot of you will remember how a large portion of the player base feels today and perhaps not make the same mistake again by paying for another, most probably rinse and repeat job.

    *drops mic*
  • Yellow_Monolith
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    I've felt this way for a while too. Another thing imo making the game feel this way is a years worth of the same style zones and continuing story with minor differences. It's a major burnout. I can't remember what the story even was from the first dungeon dlc this year, so how is a new player that's saying buying the Greymoor chapter to start off going to follow the overarching story?

    The second thing is it feels like classes are being left behind, especially in pvp. For a long time warden and necro dominated over the other base game classes in a P2W manner in pvp. While the gap has closed slightly, it hasn't changed too much. Classes like stamplar have useless passives and no good burst heal compared to warden for example.

    Crashes have gotten way worse again since Markarth, I had 2 in a row doing a dark brotherhood daily that lost me the bonus objectives of remaining hidden because when I logged back in, I was on top of 2 invisible npc's that had not loaded in yet.

    The 3 months for skill changes and bug fixes is totally unacceptable in this day in age. I don't mind the 3 month window between content but improvements to the game overall should not take this long and a consequence of this already has been the game bleeding players. Imagine in the infamous Morrowind patch lasted 1 month and was reversed. How many more people would still be playing?

    Overall the devs need to get way better at communicating with the player base and not only acknowledge issue's, bugs and imbalances but listen to the player base on actual pain problems people have.

    My top ESO wish for 2021 is ESO devs listen to the players top 5 big problems with the game atm and do their best to fix them.
  • katanagirl1
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    The bugs and crashes are a huge pain to deal with, and make the game less enjoyable for sure. I am glad you started this thread because I have been thinking the same thing.

    Even before the Markarth DLC came out, I was already feeling like the game wasn’t rewarding enough for one reason:

    I have lots of free time to play many hours per day, but instead of playing more and getting more good drops, I feel like I get much less than I should.

    I like to farm housing plans, which take a lot of time farming containers to get anything, but after a while (not very long actually) you get punished for spending time doing that with cooldowns. I start seeing all containers as empty. That’s sadistic.

    Do you penalize people for running dungeons or trials for a long time by not dropping gear? I can imagine how well that would go over. How is it any different for overland farming?

    Sometimes I think I would like to see how many containers I have opened during my time in the game, but I would probably be shocked at the number. I don’t even get XP for this activity so why can you reward me with empty containers and tons of lockpicks, white level cp140 gear (that has no gold value for me at cp160) and no mats if deconned, and other trash?
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  • regime211
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    I swapped from console to PC back in Jan 2020 due to performance issue's and I honestly feel like they just gave up on the game at this point. This game continues to decline in such a fast and bad way it's beyond ridiculous.
  • regime211
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    To be honest the game worked better in Tamriel 1. It's absolutely God awful with how bad the performance has become.
  • Nairinhe
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    About performance - they once did something with players loading as black figures and I had the pleasure of running aroung properly populated places for some time.
    Now it's back, up to a minute of Vivec City with those black figures slowly appearing then equally slowly loading into players' models. Worst part? NPC loading after players.
    I don't care about the whole crowd of other people, I need the banker!
  • Raideen
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    I have to wonder if the game does not feel rewarding because much of the stuff we obtain is done through the crown store instead of "earning" it. Obviously there is a lot of content earned that is not done through the crown store like titles, but the amount of mounts, pets, outfits, houses, costumes that are only offered with crowns may not give us that same level of earned satisfaction. Its like how many teenagers treat their first car (often given to them) terribly, and do not respect it. But the first one they purchase with their own money is treated with much more respect.


  • Tandor
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    Raideen wrote: »
    I have to wonder if the game does not feel rewarding because much of the stuff we obtain is done through the crown store instead of "earning" it. Obviously there is a lot of content earned that is not done through the crown store like titles, but the amount of mounts, pets, outfits, houses, costumes that are only offered with crowns may not give us that same level of earned satisfaction. Its like how many teenagers treat their first car (often given to them) terribly, and do not respect it. But the first one they purchase with their own money is treated with much more respect.


    All of that is entirely down to the player. This isn't one of those games where you have no option but to buy a mount in the cash shop, for example. The game is perfectly playable without going near the Crown Store. If someone is only playing in order to collect e.g. mounts or costumes then of course they will need to use the Crown Store a lot, but is ESO the right game for them? Surely this is a game where it's the gameplay that is supposed to be rewarding, not the collection of cosmetic items.
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