See how far you get in the first 14 minutes and then re-evaluate. Leaving before that just lands you in the penalty box.

Calm_Fury wrote: »

I wait and see. If the problem is mechanics, I try to explain.

Usually if we get stuck in a fight, I'll give it 3-5 tries depending on how long it is.

If we still can't, I'm just honest in the chat and say "Hey everyone, I don't think we have enough DPS for this. It was a good try, though".

Thanks I appreciate this insight of word choices.

you get a better group. The only reason i use my tank is to get faster queues (because playing as a tank is boring af), so not going to waster 2 hours with two guys spamming snipe with a bow and dying every 10 seconds. If they dont take the time to watch a 5 minutes youtube video of how to basic dps after being playing the game for months, im not going to waste 3 hours in a dungeon with them.

Depends. My tank can slot self-contained survival skills, in case the healer needs to overly focus on the DPS. This scenario isn't much different than a tank slow burning a boss or content.

IF the low dps knows the mechanics than the fight will end eventually. It may be a 15 minute fight. IF not than the battle is lost before you began. The tank, if able to self-sustain themselves and willing to be patient, can help hold the fight together.

However, spending hours because the DPS is too low takes away from the persons gameplay too. As a tank, you see how effective the DPS on the first boss fight, and IF you know the content can quickly assess whether the group can complete the dungeon without pulling hair out in frustration. As trial runners encounter these scenarios, their patience become thin when other players don't meet their benchmark standards: Im guilty and many other players are too.

Overall, the real questions here is 'Is it wrong to leave a group that under performs?' 'Do I have the time to point these players in the right direction or teach them a better way?'

Its all preferential choices on the tank's play style and available game time, IMHO.

I actually have about 20 or so people that just added me as friend after I had the patience to help them through some dungeons they haven't completed before.

Honestly, it is very satisfying if the group is willing to listen.

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Do you leave or stick it out.

It depends on my mood and how much time I have.
Sometimes I stick it out and sometimes I leave.
It also depends on the player behind the screen; if they're willing to learn then I usually try to help them out.

My pug tank has 4k health regen, 40k health, capped resists, and applies minor maim to the boss. If all else fails, he also has the necromancer revive ulti back barred, a master's greatsword on back bar, and master's sword and shield up front.

The only thing that can kill me is what is scripted to. I hang around and we always finish.

I alt-f4 then find fake tank forum posts and talk about fake dps instead to bring awareness to the issue.

There is an option here. you can go into more unconventional build for 4mans and support the team even more.

For instance:
NB tank: you can go 5 pieces of AOE dps proc gear such as leeching plate with a 5 piece of Master Architect and a ultimate build race/class to up the damage by a significant amount.
Warden tank: go AOE with overwhelming surge and ice furnace for massive AOE dps increase.

Unless its trial (pug trials are not ment to do veteran mode, and on normal you can finish the content by slaping the boss in a face) you can go more offensive on the tank most often then not. All veteran dungeons (with some last boss exceptions) are even easier when you go on a more offensive geared tank. Be creative. Build a DK poison tank, or a NB syphoner, or a Warden magtank... the posibilities are endless.

I tend to always have at least two other backup setups and multiple monster sets just for specific bosses, but in general offensive tank makes 4 man content way faster and in some cases can do it even solo (veteran).

I know you can get into teams that have abysmall dps, but unless it's a dps check boss (which are rare) in a 4man content bar arenas, you realy dont have to quit.

I would say: unless its a total dead duck and you can see its going places and people do not give a damn about mechanics, and are hostile when you talk with them about dps improvement i would say stay.

Nezyr_Jezz wrote: »

There is an option here. you can go into more unconventional build for 4mans and support the team even more.

For instance:
NB tank: you can go 5 pieces of AOE dps proc gear such as leeching plate with a 5 piece of Master Architect and a ultimate build race/class to up the damage by a significant amount.
Warden tank: go AOE with overwhelming surge and ice furnace for massive AOE dps increase.

Unless its trial (pug trials are not ment to do veteran mode, and on normal you can finish the content by slaping the boss in a face) you can go more offensive on the tank most often then not. All veteran dungeons (with some last boss exceptions) are even easier when you go on a more offensive geared tank. Be creative. Build a DK poison tank, or a NB syphoner, or a Warden magtank... the posibilities are endless.

I tend to always have at least two other backup setups and multiple monster sets just for specific bosses, but in general offensive tank makes 4 man content way faster and in some cases can do it even solo (veteran).

I know you can get into teams that have abysmall dps, but unless it's a dps check boss (which are rare) in a 4man content bar arenas, you realy dont have to quit.

I would say: unless its a total dead duck and you can see its going places and people do not give a damn about mechanics, and are hostile when you talk with them about dps improvement i would say stay.

Honestly, with lower DPS groups those group-support sets don't do much.

I go the other way around. I usually use Yolna + Alkosh + Symphony and Warhorn, but if I see the group DPS is really low I put Leeching, Overwhelming, destro, etc.

A lot of times this simple change bumps my tank DPS to 10k+, which is a lot more than Yolna / ALkosh / Warhorn adds for very low groups.

Calm_Fury wrote: »

Nezyr_Jezz wrote: »

There is an option here. you can go into more unconventional build for 4mans and support the team even more.

For instance:
NB tank: you can go 5 pieces of AOE dps proc gear such as leeching plate with a 5 piece of Master Architect and a ultimate build race/class to up the damage by a significant amount.
Warden tank: go AOE with overwhelming surge and ice furnace for massive AOE dps increase.

Unless its trial (pug trials are not ment to do veteran mode, and on normal you can finish the content by slaping the boss in a face) you can go more offensive on the tank most often then not. All veteran dungeons (with some last boss exceptions) are even easier when you go on a more offensive geared tank. Be creative. Build a DK poison tank, or a NB syphoner, or a Warden magtank... the posibilities are endless.

I tend to always have at least two other backup setups and multiple monster sets just for specific bosses, but in general offensive tank makes 4 man content way faster and in some cases can do it even solo (veteran).

I know you can get into teams that have abysmall dps, but unless it's a dps check boss (which are rare) in a 4man content bar arenas, you realy dont have to quit.

I would say: unless its a total dead duck and you can see its going places and people do not give a damn about mechanics, and are hostile when you talk with them about dps improvement i would say stay.

Honestly, with lower DPS groups those group-support sets don't do much.

I go the other way around. I usually use Yolna + Alkosh + Symphony and Warhorn, but if I see the group DPS is really low I put Leeching, Overwhelming, destro, etc.

A lot of times this simple change bumps my tank DPS to 10k+, which is a lot more than Yolna / ALkosh / Warhorn adds for very low groups.

This is partially what i was suggesting. There are plenty of offensive sets usable on tanks, which can make up for the lack of dps. Its just a matter of how comfortable you feel about using them