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Light weaving changes?

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Maxx7410
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Since this new patch i cant light attack weave with force pulse anyone else has this problem?
  • Itzmichi
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    Maxx7410 wrote: »
    Since this new patch i cant light attack weave with force pulse anyone else has this problem?

    All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now have a 700ms cooldown unique to their weapon configuration (Dual Wield, One Hand and Shield, etc.) rather than varying amounts between 500ms and 1 second. Cast times of Heavy Attacks have been increased or decreased to ensure their total Cast Time + Cooldown remains the same at this time.

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  • Maxx7410
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    o no :(
  • Idinuse
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    Nvm
    Edited by Idinuse on November 2, 2020 3:56PM
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  • zaria
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    Itzmichi wrote: »
    Maxx7410 wrote: »
    Since this new patch i cant light attack weave with force pulse anyone else has this problem?

    All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now have a 700ms cooldown unique to their weapon configuration (Dual Wield, One Hand and Shield, etc.) rather than varying amounts between 500ms and 1 second. Cast times of Heavy Attacks have been increased or decreased to ensure their total Cast Time + Cooldown remains the same at this time.
    However that should not impact LA weaving who is limited by the 900 ms skill cooldown.
    Does this say that DW HA time has increased but bow HA is faster and both take the same time?
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  • Firstmep
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    EU player so cant say anything.

    Honestly with how laggy the pts server is, often for NA players too, its really hard to test changes things like this as you never know whats intentional delay and whats caused by lag.
  • Itzmichi
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    Well only reasonable explanation for whats was going on during pts.
    zaria wrote: »
    Itzmichi wrote: »
    Maxx7410 wrote: »
    Since this new patch i cant light attack weave with force pulse anyone else has this problem?

    All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now have a 700ms cooldown unique to their weapon configuration (Dual Wield, One Hand and Shield, etc.) rather than varying amounts between 500ms and 1 second. Cast times of Heavy Attacks have been increased or decreased to ensure their total Cast Time + Cooldown remains the same at this time.
    However that should not impact LA weaving who is limited by the 900 ms skill cooldown.
    Does this say that DW HA time has increased but bow HA is faster and both take the same time?

    Only explanation I have for the stuff going on during the pts. Otherwise a bug. Check patch notes yourself search for "light attack"
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  • Jaimeh
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    Not just force pulse, weaving any skills is completely throwing me off, it's like a minute lag/desync, feels very odd, and that was with lazy delve rotations, dread to think how it is for trial, fast rotartions... Why do they have to mess with cooldowns, why.
  • Itzmichi
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    I mean, if it's as zaria said, which I don't know for sure, then there is a decent chance they screw something up during the implementation of the cooldown adjustments.

    It was very disturbing on the Magicka Nightblade, a friend of mine showed me a parse live and yeah, it felt/looked totally weird.
    Edited by Itzmichi on November 2, 2020 4:16PM
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  • Maxx7410
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    my dps is inpacted now ihave to reduce rate of waving or half dont apply (is better this way) so the result is less dps with force pulse weaving now
    Edited by Maxx7410 on November 2, 2020 5:04PM
  • JinMori
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    "this should not have any effect on weaving".
  • Maxx7410
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    i was doing 35-40k dps with only light attack and force pulse now is dificult to mantain 30k aaa happy times
  • Massive_Stain
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    JinMori wrote: »
    "this should not have any effect on weaving".

    it does have an effect on weaving. I was on pts doing vatashran and it was very noticable
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  • Maxx7410
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    i did notice the change and i didnt know they would do this, at first I thought they had eliminated the weaving so it is VERY noticable
  • Maxx7410
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    Force pulse now should do more damage to compensate the dps lose
  • colossalvoids
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    Logged to try force pulse, logged off.
  • Jaimeh
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    Could any of the class reps reach out to ZOS, see if this is intended @Alcast @Nefas @Masel? Weaving feels odd, skills fail to cast after light attacks, as if there's a ping spike, or a desync. Please don't let this topic get burried and go unnoticed.
  • Gilvoth
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    if this is intended then it is the best decision in the right direction.
    i may just start enjoying the game alot more now, and play more hours of pvp daily again.
  • Maxx7410
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    The best combat feature in the game is animation canceling and weaving if it is gone then the combat is mediocre
    Edited by Maxx7410 on November 2, 2020 6:18PM
  • JinMori
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    Massive_Stain wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    "this should not have any effect on weaving".

    it does have an effect on weaving. I was on pts doing vatashran and it was very noticable

    That's why i put it in quote, it was sarcasm, or rather, i'm so disillusioned that the eso devs can pull off anything without any major [snip] that i try to at least make fun of the situation.

    I mean, the fact that in the last year or so i played maybe 2 months it's telling of the state of this game.

    By the way, to the people that are happy because light attack changes, they didn't remove weaving, they just *** it up.

    They will never remove it, just drop the subject already, you have lost, ac is here to stay, any game in this *** world has some form of animation cancelling. Get over it.

    [Edited to remove Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on November 2, 2020 6:55PM
  • MentalxHammer
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    REVERT
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Gilvoth wrote: »
    if this is intended then it is the best decision in the right direction.
    i may just start enjoying the game alot more now, and play more hours of pvp daily again.

    Have you tried it today? Weaving is still present, but timing is awful because character animations lag, freeze and desync. Basically rotations have to be done with addon timers, or by memorizing and blindfolding yourself. Visual cues are broken. Nobody wanted this.
    Edited by WrathOfInnos on November 2, 2020 7:35PM
  • pink_panther
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    Could also be release day lag. But its ultra annoying. I try to weave jabs and every 3rd or 4th time I do 2 light attacks or jab fires 2 seconds later.

  • _adhyffbjjjf12
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    Maxx7410 wrote: »
    The best combat feature in the game is animation canceling and weaving if it is gone then the combat is mediocre

    Hardly, its a god awful bug. Lets see what it gives us:

    Doubles the number of messages to the server for every single spell that's weaved!
    Encourages spamming spells - Enjoy clicking twice a second? that's not skill, its mindless rote spamming or macro play.
    Gives advantage to the spammer over people who dont spam, that is not encouraging reactive game play.
    In PVE, dps is based on...spamming light.

    It goes on.

    If removing lightweaving gives us even 20% extra performance and ability to actually use skill, its win.
    Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on November 2, 2020 6:52PM
  • Maxx7410
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    the lag is the same
  • MentalxHammer
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    Gilvoth wrote: »
    if this is intended then it is the best decision in the right direction.
    i may just start enjoying the game alot more now, and play more hours of pvp daily again.

    This is the worst change to the games mechanics that has ever been implemented, expect massive pushback from the community in weeks to come.

  • Masel
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    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Could any of the class reps reach out to ZOS, see if this is intended @Alcast @Nefas @Masel? Weaving feels odd, skills fail to cast after light attacks, as if there's a ping spike, or a desync. Please don't let this topic get burried and go unnoticed.

    This is not intended... it has been like this on the PTS and has been reported, we have to wait and see as usual :neutral:
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    Masel wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Could any of the class reps reach out to ZOS, see if this is intended @Alcast @Nefas @Masel? Weaving feels odd, skills fail to cast after light attacks, as if there's a ping spike, or a desync. Please don't let this topic get burried and go unnoticed.

    This is not intended... it has been like this on the PTS and has been reported, we have to wait and see as usual :neutral:

    Thank you for the reply, Masel. I really hope they will address this as soon as possible.
  • ne.ga.kurai_ESO
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    zaria wrote: »
    However that should not impact LA weaving who is limited by the 900 ms skill cooldown.
    Does this say that DW HA time has increased but bow HA is faster and both take the same time?

    I tested it two weekends ago.

    DW was 900ms for full heavy. Now it's 1,100ms.
    2H was 1,100 for full heavy. Now it's 1,350.
    Bow, Inferno, Ice were all the same, but LA weaving is f'd now.

    I reported it several times, as did other people. I fully expect to have this mess until February with the next patch. I already started changing my builds to drop bow it's that bad.
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    Masel wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Could any of the class reps reach out to ZOS, see if this is intended @Alcast @Nefas @Masel? Weaving feels odd, skills fail to cast after light attacks, as if there's a ping spike, or a desync. Please don't let this topic get burried and go unnoticed.

    This is not intended... it has been like this on the PTS and has been reported, we have to wait and see as usual :neutral:

    I like how it took a class representative to clarify the situation, while the devs are just facing away from the problem in a corner with their ears covered as per usual.
  • Masel
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    Cloudless wrote: »
    Masel wrote: »
    Jaimeh wrote: »
    Could any of the class reps reach out to ZOS, see if this is intended @Alcast @Nefas @Masel? Weaving feels odd, skills fail to cast after light attacks, as if there's a ping spike, or a desync. Please don't let this topic get burried and go unnoticed.

    This is not intended... it has been like this on the PTS and has been reported, we have to wait and see as usual :neutral:

    I like how it took a class representative to clarify the situation, while the devs are just facing away from the problem in a corner with their ears covered as per usual.

    I don't think they are doing that, but I would've thought something like this would've been a liveblocker...
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