Nightblades need a support/utility ult for PvP

LaurenIsAwkward · October 2020

Nightblades currently don't have a support/utility ultimate (such as negate, permafrost, colossus, etc) for PvP. They have consuming darkness, but the thing is that that doesn't work well with the current mobility meta in PvP. It's basically just a watered down, off brand version of permafrost.

My suggestion is to keep the healing part of this ultimate, make the ultimate follow its caster, and have a new type of utility such as the ult lasting a few seconds and it increasing group critical damage or rating by a certain amount each second the ult ticks. I suggest this because nightblades are the crit based class.

Zeromaz · October 2020

I was just speaking to my friend about how NB ultimates, aside from Incap are garbage. We need some hot fiyah

olsborg · October 2020

They should remove the cast time of soul siphon, the heal morph. They should revamp darkness cause its already bad at that cost and soon major prot is 10%

YandereGirlfriend · October 2020

I would love to see Bolstering Darkness turned into something like:

Concealing Darkness

"Cloak your group in shadows, granting them invisibility, Major Expedition, and Major Force for 15 seconds. Allies in the area can activate the Shadowstrike synergy, guaranteeing a Critical Strike to each group member upon their first damaging attack from Stealth."

That way you would have something useful for PvE (another source of Major Force and a forced Critical Strike for allies) as well as PvP (spicy group mobility and potential for new offensive combinations).

the1andonlyskwex · October 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Bolstering Darkness turned into something like:

Concealing Darkness

"Cloak your group in shadows, granting them invisibility, Major Expedition, and Major Force for 15 seconds. Allies in the area can activate the Shadowstrike synergy, guaranteeing a Critical Strike to each group member upon their first damaging attack from Stealth."

That way you would have something useful for PvE (another source of Major Force and a forced Critical Strike for allies) as well as PvP (spicy group mobility and potential for new offensive combinations).

I'm not sure stealthing your groupmates without a synergy is a good idea. There's probably a way it could be used to grief people.

YandereGirlfriend · October 2020

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Bolstering Darkness turned into something like:

Concealing Darkness

"Cloak your group in shadows, granting them invisibility, Major Expedition, and Major Force for 15 seconds. Allies in the area can activate the Shadowstrike synergy, guaranteeing a Critical Strike to each group member upon their first damaging attack from Stealth."

That way you would have something useful for PvE (another source of Major Force and a forced Critical Strike for allies) as well as PvP (spicy group mobility and potential for new offensive combinations).

I'm not sure stealthing your groupmates without a synergy is a good idea. There's probably a way it could be used to grief people.

I honestly wouldn't worry much about such a hypothetical and random edge-case.

If we spent time focusing on the infinite number of ways that players can be mean to one another then we would have to remove every skill and action in the game or else turn ESO single-player.

It's not like it would apply to random bystanders in Craglorn. And it only lasts for 15 seconds, hardly the end of the world.

the1andonlyskwex · October 2020

I'm specifically thinking of stuff like making your tank invisible (what happens to aggro?) or stealthing someone near a blinding flare (stunning them and preventing them from using their own Cloak later).

YandereGirlfriend · October 2020

I'll re-state that it's not worth worrying about random edge-cases.

For those examples:

1) Light Attacks and damaging taunts such as Puncture will break Stealth, obviating concerns with Aggro.

2) That is such an random scenario that is unlikely to occur during natural gameplay. If someone is trolling you, simply drop the group because you are grouped with a troll uninterested in winning the match (...they would have found another way to troll you anyway). If it is an honest mistake, it is extremely unlikely to repeat itself.

the1andonlyskwex · October 2020

At the other end of the spectrum, how many people in the middle of their rotation are going to be able to reliably avoid accidentally breaking stealth as soon as they get it? I imagine the number is pretty small without someone on voice chat giving them a heads up that the invisibility is coming.

Luede · October 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Bolstering Darkness turned into something like:

Concealing Darkness

"Cloak your group in shadows, granting them invisibility, Major Expedition, and Major Force for 15 seconds. Allies in the area can activate the Shadowstrike synergy, guaranteeing a Critical Strike to each group member upon their first damaging attack from Stealth."

That way you would have something useful for PvE (another source of Major Force and a forced Critical Strike for allies) as well as PvP (spicy group mobility and potential for new offensive combinations).

this suggestion is complete game breaking. its not a bad thing to be more realistic

SgtNuttzmeg · October 2020

Not a bad point. I would also really like a stamina ulty for stam sorc!

erio · October 2020

Just cause its "haha rogue class" doesnt mean it shouldnt have group utility. 100% correct, nightblade needs something that lets people want it in their group.

doomette · October 2020

Luede wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Bolstering Darkness turned into something like:

Concealing Darkness

"Cloak your group in shadows, granting them invisibility, Major Expedition, and Major Force for 15 seconds. Allies in the area can activate the Shadowstrike synergy, guaranteeing a Critical Strike to each group member upon their first damaging attack from Stealth."

That way you would have something useful for PvE (another source of Major Force and a forced Critical Strike for allies) as well as PvP (spicy group mobility and potential for new offensive combinations).

this suggestion is complete game breaking. its not a bad thing to be more realistic

I mean, the mayhem this could bring would be kind of hilarious. Probably not the best reason to add something to a game though, sigh.

YandereGirlfriend · October 2020

I'm still going to bang the table for group invisibility but if anyone has a better idea then I would love to read it (because Bolstering Darkness is still an awful ultimate).

I am reading a lot of nay-saying and not a lot of alternatives. Be better, people!

the1andonlyskwex · October 2020

Bolstering Darkness already gives group invisibility, as long as your group members activate the synergy.

For PvP, the problem is really just the fact that people need to be in a relatively small and stationary area to activate the effect. If the synergy had a 20m radius instead of 5m, or if it followed the caster, it would probably be fine (ignoring the upcoming major/minor buff changes that are breaking tons of ultimates).

For PvE, on the other hand, people just want offensive utility instead of defensive utility.

Edit: To elaborate on the PvE situation, imagine if Bolstering Darkness provided major berserk instead of major protection. It would be one of the best ultimates in the game.