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Please make achievement rewards account bound.

Atherakhia
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While some achievement rewards are account bound (dyes) others aren't (titles). While I understand some players out there may want to accomplish achievements on different characters and 'replay' the game, unlocking the rewards like titles really isn't necessary for that sense of accomplishment. It's entirely unrealistic in some situations as well like any achievement related to crafting for players to complete some of them on multiple characters. Please consider making all achievement rewards account bound while leaving the completion of those achievements specific to that character.
  • Drdeath20
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    They are in the business of making money and not about perfecting their game. Put out a product that is good enough, keep the rotating wheel of power going soo players will use ALTs and ALTs = more $$.
    Its strictly business.
  • Atherakhia
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    This game has, without a doubt, the most abusive grind for alts of any MMO I've ever played. It is disheartening how little effort ZOS puts into anything that can't be put on the cash shop. This would be a trivial thing they could do though.
  • Thechuckage
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    I would like to see this, if for nothing else then the "do X amount of dailies" type quests.

    Most notably, the murkmire assistance ones that take a whooping 250 for completion. Whomever designated that one has earned a special place in hell.
  • barney2525
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    IMHO the OP is welcome to their opinion.

    But I don't share that opinion. I like my Alts earning their achievements and there Is a sense of accomplishment. I don't use multiple crafters - I have one single master crafter and I funnel all new motifs and designs to that character. It makes no sense to me to give all my alts Master Crafter title when they can't craft anything above level 1. Why would characters have Pathfinder titles in zones they have never entered? Or Master Fisherman when they never baited a hook?

    IMHO
  • Nairinhe
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    Atherakhia wrote: »
    This game has, without a doubt, the most abusive grind for alts of any MMO I've ever played. It is disheartening how little effort ZOS puts into anything that can't be put on the cash shop. This would be a trivial thing they could do though.

    You can level a char to 50 in several hours if you want to, and after that just get all account wide CP. Worst thing you have to do is to gather mages guild books.
    Edited by Nairinhe on October 24, 2020 6:38AM
  • Kurat
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    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.
  • Nairinhe
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    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.

    That's exactly why they shouldn't. Maybe it's your day 1 on that class you just power leveled your char in Skyreach carry and have no clue how to play it.
  • Grandchamp1989
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    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.

    First thing that came to mind when I read OP's thread.
  • barney2525
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    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.


    Please explain this. I don't know what this is talking about. What is ' link clear ' ?

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  • MJallday
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    I would like to see this, if for nothing else then the "do X amount of dailies" type quests.

    Most notably, the murkmire assistance ones that take a whooping 250 for completion. Whomever designated that one has earned a special place in hell.

    In doing them now. When I get it done I’m ditching my DMD title and using Murkmire Prepper - much harder 😂
  • Danikat
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    I'm fine with the achievements being character specific, but I would like to be able to use the titles on any character.

    Last year I had to waste a lot of time and food recipies levelling provisioning on my warden, who will never use it, just so I could complete enough Witch's Festival writs to get her the 'Witch' title. The title itself has nothing to do with provisioning (I wanted it on her because it's the nearest I can get to Wyress) but for some reason that's what it's tied to. I'd much rather have just done the writs on my existing crafter and then used the title on the character it's appropriate for.

    There's other titles I'm in a similar position with. For example I'd like to use 'Explorer' on characters who are currently exploring, not ones who have completed all the maps to get to get the Tamriel Master Cave Delver achievement. I'd like to give 'Suns Dusk Reaper' to my necromancer, but it's utterly pointless for him to learn a bunch of motifs when he will never do any crafting. Or 'Mystic' on my sorcerer.

    I suppose if you see titles strictly as a way of showing other players that you've completed that specific achievement then this system works (except for the limitations mentioned above), but if that's the case I'd prefer them to make all the titles more explitly tied to their achievements, rather than making things which would be ideal descriptors or flavour text for characters but have absolutely nothing to do with the achievement they come from.
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  • tmbrinks
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    I guess it's time for this monthly thread again...

    I still say no.

    Add an "overall" achievement counter for your entire account, like Kyoma's Global Achievement's does on PC, but no further.

    You already have account bound CP, account bound styles, account bound gear, etc...

    I think they've found a healthy balance.
    The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer
    The Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger
    70,320 achievement points
  • DarkPicture
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    Achivements generally should be account wide and everything connected with them rewards etc. Main purpose of achivements always should be rewarding player not character...
    Edited by DarkPicture on October 24, 2020 11:15AM
  • AlnilamE
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    Browart wrote: »
    Achivements generally should be account wide and everything connected with them rewards etc. Main purpose of achivements always should be rewarding player not character...

    The main rewards of the achievements (dyes and titles) are split. One is account-wide and one isn't. I'm ok with that. I figure titles could be account wide as well, as long as achievements aren't.

    To me, the main purpose of achievements is to tell me what a character has completed and what they haven't, so I am fine with an achievement overview in Character select that aggregates everything you have done across the account, but I want to keep the characters' achievements clearly visible.
    barney2525 wrote: »
    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.


    Please explain this. I don't know what this is talking about. What is ' link clear ' ?

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    When you complete content, you get an achievement, and you can link achievements in chat. So for a lot of the vet content, when you PUG, you ask the person you are inviting to link the achievement that shows they've completed the content at least once.
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  • Tandor
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I guess it's time for this monthly thread again...

    I still say no.

    Add an "overall" achievement counter for your entire account, like Kyoma's Global Achievement's does on PC, but no further.

    You already have account bound CP, account bound styles, account bound gear, etc...

    I think they've found a healthy balance.

    Agreed. Different people have different approaches, and the present balance between them is reasonably struck.
  • Dragonnord
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    This request again?

    Here it goes my answer again, for time 100...

    You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade or Magsorc easy mode one button heavy attack build but you stink using your Stamden and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?

    Sorry, but don't agree with you OP.
     
    Edited by Dragonnord on October 24, 2020 1:51PM
  • LadyNalcarya
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    Nairinhe wrote: »
    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.

    That's exactly why they shouldn't. Maybe it's your day 1 on that class you just power leveled your char in Skyreach carry and have no clue how to play it.

    Eh, you can get achievements on a tank or healer and then respec them to dd. And even if your dps is actually abysmal, you can still link achievements and wear titles.
    Also, a lot of titles and skins are bought... Have you seen all those ads in zone chat? You can buy any achievement, maybe except Godslayer (and even that can be done if they do it via account sharing).
    Dragonnord wrote: »
    This request again?

    Here it goes my answer again, for time 100...

    You get vMA Flawless Conqueror with your OP Magblade or Magsorc easy mode one buuton heavy attack build but you stink using your Stamden and you want your Stamden to have the achievement too, even when you can't get vMA no death with him/her?

    Sorry, but don't agree with you OP.

    I don't think Flawless is a good benchmark these days, that arena is very old. And you can pretty much cheese Flawless if you use sigils.
    This title on stamina character was pretty impressive back in Orsinium patch, but nowadays it's much easier to get.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on October 24, 2020 12:33PM
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  • Hallothiel
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    The only - ONLY - way I would even vaguely consider this as an option is if it was voluntary and you could toggle it on or off.

    And still not that enamoured of the idea.

    I have things I have only done on my main character - I have not done them on other characters, so why should I have the rewards or title?

    Then what would be the point of any alts if they all just got all the achievements etc as soon as created? Takes all the fun out of playing them.

    Actually, I would agree to this ONLY if you had to pay for your account wide achievements etc in the crown store. And they made them expensive 😈

    Otherwise just play the damn game.
  • Sylvermynx
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    Be careful what you wish for - if you get this, it will be for thousands of crowns in the store....
  • LadyNalcarya
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Be careful what you wish for - if you get this, it will be for thousands of crowns in the store....

    That's a baseless assumption. They are not asking for crowns if you wanna use precision edit in housing menu or the new set collection thing. Or search bar in guild store menu. Or any other QoL update.
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  • Sylvermynx
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    It's not baseless - the skill lines are QOL for alts, and they're locked behind lots of crowns in the store. For me, I won't buy any of that, but those who are really wanting account wide extras....
    Edited by Sylvermynx on October 24, 2020 1:25PM
  • Dragonnord
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    I don't think Flawless is a good benchmark these days, that arena is very old. And you can pretty much cheese Flawless if you use sigils.
    This title on stamina character was pretty impressive back in Orsinium patch, but nowadays it's much easier to get.

    This thread isn't about how easy or not vMA is, so call it vMA, vBRP, vDSA, Flawless Conqueror, Dawnbringer, Godslayer or Fungal Grotto 1 normal, whatever.

    Point is, if you get an achievement with a particular character/class, only that character/class deserves the achievement, not any of the other classes, unless you get the achievement with those different classes too.
     
    Edited by Dragonnord on October 24, 2020 5:46PM
  • idk
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    One way or another there should be an account-wide achievement list and I cannot fathom why it has not happened yet. SWTOR did a good job with this as important titles earned from the more challenging content were still limited only to a character that had cleared that achievement. In the end, a system like that hurts no one and benefits many.
  • Ratzkifal
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    Atherakhia wrote: »
    This game has, without a doubt, the most abusive grind for alts of any MMO I've ever played. It is disheartening how little effort ZOS puts into anything that can't be put on the cash shop. This would be a trivial thing they could do though.

    I might share your sentiment about shared titles but this doesn't seem right to me. In WoW you have titles restricted to your characters too but the level grind is just so so so much worse. Who wants to grind another 120 levels just to do current content on their new character? Of course you can always pay for boosts because that's not predatory design at all.
    The CP system makes ESO one of the most alt-friendly MMOs on the market. Does that mean it couldn't be more alt-friendly? Of course not! But don't make it sound like ESO is terrible for alts when it actually isn't all that bad.

    Imagine if we had to grind for transmogs on our alts because a Sorc can only unlock the light armor outfit styles from learning a crafting motif... Yeah, I'm glad this isn't WoW.
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Atherakhia wrote: »
    This game has, without a doubt, the most abusive grind for alts of any MMO I've ever played. It is disheartening how little effort ZOS puts into anything that can't be put on the cash shop. This would be a trivial thing they could do though.

    I might share your sentiment about shared titles but this doesn't seem right to me. In WoW you have titles restricted to your characters too but the level grind is just so so so much worse. Who wants to grind another 120 levels just to do current content on their new character? Of course you can always pay for boosts because that's not predatory design at all.
    The CP system makes ESO one of the most alt-friendly MMOs on the market. Does that mean it couldn't be more alt-friendly? Of course not! But don't make it sound like ESO is terrible for alts when it actually isn't all that bad.

    Imagine if we had to grind for transmogs on our alts because a Sorc can only unlock the light armor outfit styles from learning a crafting motif... Yeah, I'm glad this isn't WoW.
    This, back then I played wow BoP gear could not even been be transferred to alts.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • belial5221_ESO
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    They shouldn't be accountwide.Achievements are earned,not given,so if they were given to all chars,it would be called Entitlements.
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    I kind of would like it that way for convenience reasons but would be pretty strange to have something like TTT on a new necro tank that would probably never go for such things any more anyway. Prefer starting as much "fresh" as possible but wouldn't be against a switch of a kind for ones who enjoy such a thing.
  • barney2525
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Browart wrote: »
    Achivements generally should be account wide and everything connected with them rewards etc. Main purpose of achivements always should be rewarding player not character...

    The main rewards of the achievements (dyes and titles) are split. One is account-wide and one isn't. I'm ok with that. I figure titles could be account wide as well, as long as achievements aren't.

    To me, the main purpose of achievements is to tell me what a character has completed and what they haven't, so I am fine with an achievement overview in Character select that aggregates everything you have done across the account, but I want to keep the characters' achievements clearly visible.
    barney2525 wrote: »
    Kurat wrote: »
    I'm in Craglorn, some guild is looking for few more dps to fill their vet trial run. They ask me to link clear, RIP i dont have clear with this toon but I do with 10 others. Sorry dude f off.
    Achievements should be account wide.


    Please explain this. I don't know what this is talking about. What is ' link clear ' ?

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    When you complete content, you get an achievement, and you can link achievements in chat. So for a lot of the vet content, when you PUG, you ask the person you are inviting to link the achievement that shows they've completed the content at least once.

    and this determines if they kick you out of the PUG ?

    seems kinda mean

    IMHO

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  • starkerealm
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    Nairinhe wrote: »
    Atherakhia wrote: »
    This game has, without a doubt, the most abusive grind for alts of any MMO I've ever played. It is disheartening how little effort ZOS puts into anything that can't be put on the cash shop. This would be a trivial thing they could do though.

    You can level a char to 50 in several hours if you want to, and after that just get all account wide CP. Worst thing you have to do is to gather mages guild books.

    Or the Psijic portals, if that irks you. Alliance skills can be annoying to grind if PvP isn't your thing, and Undaunted can be bothersome if you don't run dungeons. But those are the outliers here.

    This is contrast to games which require you to grind up your post-cap prestige ranks per character, and I really don't see this as abusive.

    Yes, it could be kinder. We could have account wide achievement progression, for example. But, as alt grinds go, ESO is pretty laid back.
  • Thechuckage
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    Hallothiel wrote: »
    The only - ONLY - way I would even vaguely consider this as an option is if it was voluntary and you could toggle it on or off.

    And still not that enamoured of the idea.

    I have things I have only done on my main character - I have not done them on other characters, so why should I have the rewards or title?

    Then what would be the point of any alts if they all just got all the achievements etc as soon as created? Takes all the fun out of playing them.

    Actually, I would agree to this ONLY if you had to pay for your account wide achievements etc in the crown store. And they made them expensive 😈

    Otherwise just play the damn game.

    If this was made into an option (the best way to implement it imo) then how would it negatively affect you or anyone else? Seriously, how does my alt having completed achievements harm you in any way?

    The one possible way, would be showing a achievement for a trial or dungeon that you got carried thru, or are trying to complete on a role you don't know that well.........that still happens right now. There are guilds that specialize in trial carries. There is no guarantee the tank you just invited hadn't been a dps 2 hours prior and has 0 tanking experience, but has been a dps for X,Y or Z trial.

    Quite frankly, this just reeks of moral busybodying. Let others play as they please, up and until it directly affects you.
    I'm pretty sure my not having X amount of bandit kills, or harvesting 5,000 crafting nodes is really going to bring you down. /s

    @Sylvermynx I dont recall anyone asking for skill trees to be auto unlocked. That or the idea it should cost 1, 000's of crowns to unlock are fairly baseless and be actively harmful overall.

    *spelling edit*
    Edited by Thechuckage on October 24, 2020 6:00PM
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