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PvP is trash with proc sets.
Berchelous
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One click kill button: Proc Sets.
50k hp god tank: Proc sets.
Lag: Proc sets.
0 brain pvp: Proc sets
Even gankblade is: Proc&Cloak
If you make proc sets at least give all classes a cheap purge option to cleanse these procs. Also putting a cooldown on these procs should not be hard.
50k hp god tank: Proc sets.
Lag: Proc sets.
0 brain pvp: Proc sets
Even gankblade is: Proc&Cloak
If you make proc sets at least give all classes a cheap purge option to cleanse these procs. Also putting a cooldown on these procs should not be hard.
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Artorias24✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proc sets are really not healthy for pvp at all.
You can build super tanky and still deal damage or go for a DD setup and deal an insane amount of damage.
Proc set builds are clearly superior to normal stat builds wich is super sad. Skill dies in PvP and one button click playstyles get more dominant. Sad but ZOS pushes out more of this for whatever type of reason.13 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭90% of the time I go with Bone Pirate - NMA in my bow nightblade because I ve reached a point now where I ve started to dislike proc sets. Everyone uses them so much that Cyro stopped being PVP. Instead, it's Sets vs Sets.
But what is funnier, is that in BGs I was killed by a player who wore Sheer+Syvarra and then he tbag me. Only thing he did was spam Poison Injection and then Cloak, waiting for his sets to kill me (they did more than 80% of dmg). After a while, I killed him and tbag him back. And then he whispered me, calling me "useless 1-skill player"
when he was the one spamming 1 skill and using proc sets. I mean, not only these sets ruin PVP but also give the illusion to bad/mediocre players that they are actually good.
To be honest, where I do use proc sets 100% of the time is when defending a keep against massive zergs of stacked enemies because the aoe dmg. Really helps with defending and completing 40 player quest fast.
Edited by gatekeeper13 on October 18, 2020 9:21PM6 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »90% of the time I go with Bone Pirate - NMA in my bow nightblade because I ve reached a point now where I ve started to dislike proc sets. Everyone uses them so much that Cyro stopped being PVP. Instead, it's Sets vs Sets.
But what is funnier, is that in BGs I was killed by a player who wore Sheer+Syvarra and then he tbag me. Only thing he did was spam Poison Injection and then Cloak, waiting for his sets to kill me (they did more than 80% of dmg). After a while, I killed him and tbag him back. And then he whispered me, calling me "useless 1-skill player" when he was the one spamming 1 skill and using proc sets. I mean, not only these sets ruin PVP but also give the illusion to bad/mediocre players that they are actually good.
To be honest, where I do use proc sets 100% of the time is when defending a keep against massive zergs of stacked enemies because the aoe dmg. Really helps with defending and completing 40 player quest fast. :-)
lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.5 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.
Let him live in his fantasy world.0 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »lol literally something similar happened to me. Someone kills me with his entire group (12-15 people) and he bags me, i whisper him, and then he tells me i got *** on in a 1v1, when literally all he did was snipe me from far away, when i had guard debuff on me, and i died to his procs. lol, good 1v1 right there.
Let him live in his fantasy world.
Yeah. but as you said, i have spoken with him a couple more times, he genuinelly believes he is a skilled player. Its just sad really, the current state of pvp.Edited by Flaaklypa on October 19, 2020 8:49AM5 -
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✭✭✭Idea of proc sets is good but the implementation is absolutely horrible. They either need a damage nerf, making them unstackable (or let them scale with dmg/stats), it needs to be harder to apply them or more counterplay.
Not gonna lie tho, lots of classes would be complete garbage without them (the ones which don't have access to dodge/block/heal counters). Give us good dots again (not the ones which were completely overbuffed for one patch) and give classes access to defile again too (especially since it's getting nerfed). Otherwise the only competitive classes would be stamcro, stamden and magsorc.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If PvP were naked with no classes, skills, gear, weapons or groups, PvPers would still find something to complain about.
It has always been and will always be this way.8 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭If PvP were naked with no classes, skills, gear, weapons or groups, PvPers would still find something to complain about.
It has always been and will always be this way.
Go back to the top of general discussion and count the PvE complaints against the PvP ones one more time. The results might shock you.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.11 -
Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.2 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.
It doesn’t help casuals because casuals will get destroyed by experienced players using the same sets.
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relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.
What will casuals do when the meta changes and proc sets are *** again? They will have wasted a whole patch not learning to play the game. They are in for a shock when they realise they have to use more than just poison inject.3 -
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ImSoPro✭✭✭Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?0
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Theignson✭✭✭✭✭
✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Do you like my new build?
You have to be super skilled to use it:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=284300
Great build except critical charge now desyncs you for 5-10 seconds and you get killed while you can use no abilties and do no actions, everytime!
I agree about proc sets, though. On the other hand I see all the usual "unkillable tanks" dissolving these days. Also many good players are running these sets and they still beta noobs with prc most of the time
3 GOs, a Warlord, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP0 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭2 bad its what everyone is running
I myself are now running Mad Tink and Caluuran's with Maw monster helm0 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭i find people that do not use proc sets to be just as strong if not stronger.
also the problem in pvp is that stam is busted af. Perma rolling is impossible to hit especially for specs like magnb. And some people seem like they never run out of resources while also having insane damage, not to say also being just as defensive.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube1 -
MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?
ZOS recently significantly increased the damage and removed the percentile chance on nearly every non-monster proc set. They've also added a few new, very strong proc sets. This is why they are more prominent, and yes they are bad for PVP. This isn't a meta shift dreamed up by players, this is ZOS driving the meta with changes they've made through patches.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”4 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭proc sets are right behind crown crates in eso money making 101...
you can have fun in cyro without the latest and greatest, but, it's a lot harder to compete 1 v 1...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
Artorias24✭✭✭✭✭
✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »Proc sets have always been around though. Now since they’re more prominent they’re a cancer?
ZOS recently significantly increased the damage and removed the percentile chance on nearly every non-monster proc set. They've also added a few new, very strong proc sets. This is why they are more prominent, and yes they are bad for PVP. This isn't a meta shift dreamed up by players, this is ZOS driving the meta with changes they've made through patches.
You forgot Malacath ring for 25% more damage on procs that already have a high tooltip.2 -
JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭Proc sets help newer inexperienced players. It brings more people to pvp. There are tons of complain threads about Cyrodiil being empty and sewers dead etc. I think its healthy for pvp and gives casuals a chance.
um , you couldnt be more wrong , so not only are bad players getting beat by good players , they getting beat by bad players in proc sets
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✭phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »
Who is this? I must friend them immediately lol0 -
forthwinds✭✭✭They need to make it so you can only be affected by one proc set at a time. This new proc stacking meta is the most cancerous thing since necro's bash builds when Elsweyr came out. It doesn't take any skill and people are zerging with tanky builds just spamming one button. When proc sets are bad in CP, imagine how bad no-cp is...Dawnbringer ✦ Godslayer ✦ Tick Tock Tormentor x3 ✦ Immortal Redeemer x2 ✦ Gryphon Heart x5 ✦ The Unchained x2 ✦ Emperor x6 ✦ Grand Overlord1 -
rk1101320✭✭no cp and BG i will be agree proc set a bit dumb, but in cp cyro common mate, see all those noobs with snb and heavy armor, now they finally die. proc set make the game a way funnier and better in my opinion.
if u want a no proc set pvp ok but need to seriously nerf all the way to be tankyGM of Pimp my Elf
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✭phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »
"I have a rotation right.
I kill the first guy and I rotate to the second guy, and I kill them"
Ahahha true nb right there.This recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.2 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depends on what you call procset. Technically every set that buffs yourself or debuffs an enemy like Briarheart and Night mother actually is a procset too.
I personally don't have much against those versions, but the Procsets that deal direct damage or do a massive heal for nothing (Looking at you Crimson) are absolute broken for PvP. Just yesterday I had a BG with 11 warden and every single one of them wore Crimson+diverse Procsets, and I in there with my little Stamsorc, could just watch the time ticking down because no one killed anyone.
Its absolute stupidity what some of those sets allow you, I could pull the Stamsorc as example (works on NB as well with cloak and Speedring), there is a setup going around with Hunters Poison. Like seriously you use Poison inject and then run and run and run and run, while the enemy slowly gets ticked down by the Poison and the injection itself. At best paired with Masters bow which rises your weapon power against targets that are poisoned by Poison Injection.
Or that tree cuddlers on Crimson, they run around and every few seconds get healed by insane amounts of health for doing nothing, you can only shut them down by ignoring them or get then bursted from 100 to 0, which basically never happens since its a heavy armor and often played on Sword and Board.Edited by L_Nici on October 19, 2020 10:13AMPC|EU1 -
WaywardArgonian✭✭✭✭✭It is what it is. I tried playing without a procset on my magblade as I do not find it an interesting playstyle, but I could already notice I was missing that punch. Especially with people in general building much more tanky this patch and all these perma-roll builds, I found that just relying on higher base damage and bow procs didn't gel well with my playstyle.PC/EU altaholic | PVP support player | Former Empanada of Ravenwatch | @ degonyte in-game | Nibani Ilath-Pal (AD Nightblade) - AvA rank 50 | Jehanne Teymour (AD Sorcerer) - AvA rank 50 | Niria Ilath-Pal (AD Templar) - AvA rank 500
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