ELI5 : TAMRIEL (TOGETHER?) GUILD CONTEST - How I reach my guildmates for the event?

OsManiaC
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What I have
  1. A guild - GM has an idea of entering contest with BOSMERs and ARGONIANS doing their natural things .A.k.a BBQ party
  2. good guild hall with kitchen.
  3. No ADDONS
  4. NO DISCORD NO THIRD PARTY ITEMS NO TWITTER
  5. ONLY VANILLA GUILD MANAGEMENT TOOLS WHICH SHOULD BE OK FOR AAAAAA+++++ BEST MMO GAME EVER

What I want
  1. reach my guildies.

what is the bottleneck
  1. No one reads MOTD or Guild recruitment page - I don't read motd sorry my GMSs.
  2. not everyone enter eso forums

OK HOW I REACH MY GUILDIES? I cannot be online 7/24 everyday. How I can make an event so I prepare a video or screenshot or ANYTHING?

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  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    OsManiaC wrote: »
    OK HOW I REACH MY GUILDIES? I cannot be online 7/24 everyday. How I can make an event so I prepare a video or screenshot or ANYTHING?

    Manually mail everyone. If you are not prepared to use Addons / additional guild management options such as external sites this is the option available to you.



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  • Danikat
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    How do you normally get your guild members together for an event or activity? Why can't you use the same method here?

    For my guilds there's two approaches:
    1) Put the info in the MotD. (Yes there are people who don't read it, but the ones who aren't interested enough to find out if there's an event happening are unlikely to come along anyway.)
    2) Post in guild chat when it's about to start so anyone who is online at the right time can come along.

    One of them also sends a weekly mail to everyone (which I assume the leader uses an addon to do) but to be honest that's the thing I tend not to read because it's all the same stuff every week and most of it is a duplicate of the MotD which is more convenient for me to find if I want to check what they're doing.
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  • Malkiv
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    See, this is why Discord is used by so many guilds, and even required by others. As for add-ons; unless you’re on console (my condolences), there’s no reason to not use them. The developers provided the framework, so it is part of the vanilla game.
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  • Aznarb
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    Use discord, problem solved.
    You don't even need to speak if you don't want to, just write and tag concerned people, simple.
    I can feel why you don't use addon, I don't use them too, especially combat one but discord won't impact your game experience, just gonna make it better.
    It always nice to have a platform to chat with in-game friend even when you actually don't play just to rest in touch or having fun.

    Try it, gonna make your guild life more alive and way easier ^^
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  • allhailskippy
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    Danikat wrote: »
    How do you normally get your guild members together for an event or activity? Why can't you use the same method here?

    100% this.

    Do you have a guild with a lot of members that don't participate in anything?
    That's not really a guild then. That's just a user list.

    Does your MOTD contain useful, up to date info? Or is it always the same old boring message? Because that's often why people don't read them.

    Do you not have trusted members (aka officers) that are capable of spreading the word on your behalf? Put them on spreading the word. Being a successful GM isn't a one person show.

    Discord is used all over the place. It's extremely portable (works on damn near everything). And allows offline communication. Get on it. Push members to be on it.

    Could ESO bring some options into the GM's toolkit? You bet. Lots of room for improvement.
    Is it a reason why you can't participate in this event? Absolutely not.
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  • supersonic_kitten
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    So many people responding to this thread not even getting the point of the OP. Without Discord (that shouldn't even be part of the equation since it's a third party program) and the use of addons (which lately have been doing a great job of getting GMs socialbanned) a GM in ESO is pretty much left with guild chat where messages come and go and a measly MOTD box. The event thing just highlights how much of a cruel joke the GM kit is. And still the subject gets completely ignored by ZOS.
    Edited by supersonic_kitten on October 15, 2020 3:55PM
  • SgtNuttzmeg
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    A lot of this comes down to the management style and culture of your guild. One of the guilds I am in uses the MOTD and updates it daily. Every time a new member joins we tell them that is how we share our schedule and how to get involved. We do use discord and Enjin but we spread alot of awareness through creating and understanding of how people can find out what is going on. Another thing you can do is to post announcements in Guild Chat at various points of the day or directly whispering people that are active. I know the later one can be a little nerve-racking for some people but I have had a lot of success with it.

    But from my experience when it comes to guild wide communication it starts the moment you recruit a new person. Anybody can fill a rooster, the most challenging aspect of maintaining any guild is retention. It's something you need to do every time you recruit and its something you need to constantly work on. If people aren't invested or don't know the streams of communication, they will get bored and move on.
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  • SammiSakura
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    TBF Os knows about that thread, but I think he is trying to make a point that there are no tools in the Vanilla game to do this stuff. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO USE DISCORD TO REACH IN GAME GUILD MEMBERS
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  • allhailskippy
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    A lot of this comes down to the management style and culture of your guild. One of the guilds I am in uses the MOTD and updates it daily. Every time a new member joins we tell them that is how we share our schedule and how to get involved. We do use discord and Enjin but we spread alot of awareness through creating and understanding of how people can find out what is going on. Another thing you can do is to post announcements in Guild Chat at various points of the day or directly whispering people that are active. I know the later one can be a little nerve-racking for some people but I have had a lot of success with it.

    But from my experience when it comes to guild wide communication it starts the moment you recruit a new person. Anybody can fill a rooster, the most challenging aspect of maintaining any guild is retention. It's something you need to do every time you recruit and its something you need to constantly work on. If people aren't invested or don't know the streams of communication, they will get bored and move on.

    Yup. Being active, keeping active, and communicating with your active members keeps a guid alive. Don't do that, and it gets stale, boring, and people leave.

    If your main method of communication is the MOTD, then let your guild know. Especially every new player. By posting it in guild chat when a new person joins, it reinforces the expectation that that's the location for important information.
    TBF Os knows about that thread, but I think he is trying to make a point that there are no tools in the Vanilla game to do this stuff. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO USE DISCORD TO REACH IN GAME GUILD MEMBERS

    Agreed. But that's what we have right now.
    I would like to point you in the direction of this comprehensive thread then - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/548902/guildmaster-issues-and-the-change-in-the-system-that-socialbans-you-immediately/
    Which has been ignored. Like many threads before it.

    Yes. That does seem to happen with feedback unfortunately. But if threads like that won't change anything, theads like this won't either.
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  • Erissime
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    Well... discord is only good for extensive writing - something which becomes an absolute must when rp is involved. Beyond that, the tools already at hand in game are more then enough to support any type of game communication. Unfortunately, what people forget is that eso is mainly a game, and not a chat platform, reason why said tools (respective guild chat and guild announcements page) feel insufficient for contact. Should those chats not be filled with every silly thing under the sun, or every personal story of members, and left only for strict gaming communication, it would suffice. But of course - we live in the era of "social" - the more we talk the happier we are, no ? But to all those chatty people out there - I have had several circumstances in which I compromised a whole gaming evening to them words (because when faced with it, one does not like to be disrespectful either...) - and I disagree with the trend. Eso is a game - not a chatting platform.
  • SgtNuttzmeg
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    The other thing to keep in mind is every time a guild updates their MOTD members get a notification. Not every member will check these but a lot do.

    My biggest recommendation would be to go to anybody you are friends with in the guild and talk to them. Be super enthusiastic. Tell them you want to do this. Make some reasonable goals about what level of commitment you need from them. If it is just a photo op preplan the venue. Allow them to help decorate it. Get them to give you suggestions. This contest is about representing the atmosphere of your guild. They want to know why your guild is fun. Show them what makes you unique. It doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to represent you.
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  • Kingslayer513
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    OsManiaC wrote: »
    What I have
    1. A guild - GM has an idea of entering contest with BOSMERs and ARGONIANS doing their natural things .A.k.a BBQ party
    2. good guild hall with kitchen.
    3. No ADDONS
    4. NO DISCORD NO THIRD PARTY ITEMS NO TWITTER
    5. ONLY VANILLA GUILD MANAGEMENT TOOLS WHICH SHOULD BE OK FOR AAAAAA+++++ BEST MMO GAME EVER

    Gave me a good chuckle.

    The vanilla guild management tools are a decrepit dumpster fire and the mailing system is worse than early email before 1990. Imagine a AAA game in 2020 where you can't receive mail without zoning/relogging, and they've known about this bug for over 5 years.
  • Goregrinder
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    So many people responding to this thread not even getting the point of the OP. Without Discord (that shouldn't even be part of the equation since it's a third party program) and the use of addons (which lately have been doing a great job of getting GMs socialbanned) a GM in ESO is pretty much left with guild chat where messages come and go and a measly MOTD box. The event thing just highlights how much of a cruel joke the GM kit is. And still the subject gets completely ignored by ZOS.

    Sure, we can debate on if ESO should have better tools to manage guilds. Sure. But that doesn't solve OP's issue today. His issue is how can he contact his guildies? Many people have already laid out all of the options available to everyone who plays on PC. Whether or not he chooses to utilize any of said options is entirely up to him.

    Whether third party addons should be an option is an entirely different debate. He has access to Discord and addons, they are all free to download and install. If he is against Discord and addons because of personal pride, then that is him restricting his own options on purpose, which is not anyone else's problem.

  • Starlight_Whisper
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    If... only we had guild mail system built in game ....
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    So many people responding to this thread not even getting the point of the OP. Without Discord (that shouldn't even be part of the equation since it's a third party program) and the use of addons (which lately have been doing a great job of getting GMs socialbanned) a GM in ESO is pretty much left with guild chat where messages come and go and a measly MOTD box. The event thing just highlights how much of a cruel joke the GM kit is. And still the subject gets completely ignored by ZOS.

    Sure, we can debate on if ESO should have better tools to manage guilds. Sure. But that doesn't solve OP's issue today. His issue is how can he contact his guildies? Many people have already laid out all of the options available to everyone who plays on PC. Whether or not he chooses to utilize any of said options is entirely up to him.

    Whether third party addons should be an option is an entirely different debate. He has access to Discord and addons, they are all free to download and install. If he is against Discord and addons because of personal pride, then that is him restricting his own options on purpose, which is not anyone else's problem.

    You know it's probably sarcasm right?
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    OsManiaC wrote: »
    What I have
    1. A guild - GM has an idea of entering contest with BOSMERs and ARGONIANS doing their natural things .A.k.a BBQ party
    2. good guild hall with kitchen.
    3. No ADDONS
    4. NO DISCORD NO THIRD PARTY ITEMS NO TWITTER
    5. ONLY VANILLA GUILD MANAGEMENT TOOLS WHICH SHOULD BE OK FOR AAAAAA+++++ BEST MMO GAME EVER

    Gave me a good chuckle.

    The vanilla guild management tools are a decrepit dumpster fire and the mailing system is worse than early email before 1990. Imagine a AAA game in 2020 where you can't receive mail without zoning/relogging, and they've known about this bug for over 5 years.

    Don't forget you can be social banned sending out mail!
  • Aznarb
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    So many people responding to this thread not even getting the point of the OP. Without Discord (that shouldn't even be part of the equation since it's a third party program) and the use of addons (which lately have been doing a great job of getting GMs socialbanned) a GM in ESO is pretty much left with guild chat where messages come and go and a measly MOTD box. The event thing just highlights how much of a cruel joke the GM kit is. And still the subject gets completely ignored by ZOS.

    That the case in any game I've played.
    Before discord we used guild forum and Teamspeak.
    Then mumble and forum.
    Then Raid some with the base of discord.
    Then, finally, discord was release and made the life of every guild easier.

    I really don't see how game can release something like this with how much they have to do already with the short deadline they got. 100% it will be buggy and we'll still use discord and such.
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  • Raideen
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    Sadly OP you will have to use an external source to communicate with your guild, but equally as sad so will every guild member. This is not even remotely the best solution, but ZOS does not seem interested in QOL tools for guild leaders.

    I don't understand their hesitation. I can only assume it comes down to not wanting to make the monetary investment. They only seem interested in creating new things they can charge for, and show little interest in fixing existing issues.
  • Goregrinder
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    Aznarb wrote: »
    So many people responding to this thread not even getting the point of the OP. Without Discord (that shouldn't even be part of the equation since it's a third party program) and the use of addons (which lately have been doing a great job of getting GMs socialbanned) a GM in ESO is pretty much left with guild chat where messages come and go and a measly MOTD box. The event thing just highlights how much of a cruel joke the GM kit is. And still the subject gets completely ignored by ZOS.

    That the case in any game I've played.
    Before discord we used guild forum and Teamspeak.
    Then mumble and forum.
    Then Raid some with the base of discord.
    Then, finally, discord was release and made the life of every guild easier.

    I really don't see how game can release something like this with how much they have to do already with the short deadline they got. 100% it will be buggy and we'll still use discord and such.

    Pretty much. What would be the point when outside systems already exist on PC and are better than anything ZOS could ever implement and maintain. Same reason why almost no one really used WoW's voip when they added it. The only MMO's I played where Ingame voip was used as much as out of game voip (PCMR of course) was SWG and EQ2. Other than that, every other MMORPG I played, everyone used Vent/TeamSpeak/Mumble/Even Skype (for a moment).

    3rd party voip programs just have gotten so good in the past 20 years that it's hard for a game developer to implement something similar with the same features and be just as good. It just can't, because VOIP developers will always be better at VOIP developing than Game developers will. It's also why very few MMORPG's have functional in game web browsers...because FireFox, Chrome, Edge just work better, so just use those.
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