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How is DPS this low on CP 500+ toons?

  • ReachHalo
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    Raideen wrote: »
    I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

    Tried a heavy attack build?? Sorc, Necro or even DK wearing infall and NMA/julianos will get you easily over 30k and you don't have to worry about a light attack
  • Tsar_Gekkou
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    Raideen wrote: »
    I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

    20K is better than what most dungeon pugs are hitting so you're ahead of the curve at least.
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  • Everest_Lionheart
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

    I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

    Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

    Hope you really never enter vet content.
    Also I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I Just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

    Weaving isn't hard just learn and try it or stay with casual content.

    hey, did you know that gear drops in... normal trials as well? and that you can still copy an end game build WITHOUT perfected sets? and many builds call for sets that drop in trials that existed before perfected set thing, so there ARE no perfected sets? did you know that farming on normal and then simply upgrading from blue is faster AND easier and most people prefer i when it comes to sets that do not have perfected versions? (and many builds also offer alternative setups with world drops/dungeon/crafted sets)

    yes, weaving is part of this game. unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because not everyone can do it. yes even with practice.

    Honestly you can equip some basic sets and so just fine. All that trials gear is only really necessary for score pushing and leaderboards only. Certain skins and achievements may also be out of reach as well like speedrun and hard modes where dps checks are very real in some dungeons, but in basic stuff you can pass 50k DPS easily and clear all content with a little bit of practice.

    Stam toons you can pair Hundings with Briarheart or Spriggans. Hundings is craftable, Spriggans and Briarheart are easy to get at traders. Throw on whatever 2 piece you want or 2x 1 piece monster sets. You can actually get Kra’gh monster set really easily with a half competent tank that can control the boss in fungal grotto.

    Mag toon you can use Julianos and mother’s sorrow and hit solid numbers. Mothers sorrow may cost you a bit of gold because it’s in demand. You could always use seducer or inate axiom in its place and still get ok numbers. Again use whatever 2pc set you want. Maw is an easy enough set to get as well, don’t be scared by that final boss, you don’t have to do hard mode to get it so a competent tank can stack everything while the group burns. I’ve seen tanks pull low dps players through that dungeon Single handedly.byou could settle for slimecraw set also. Wayrest sewers is even more simple.

    The rest is getting your bars properly setup and learning how to pace the LA’s and skills. I find more people button mash in a panic which causes more problems than being too slow on the inputs. Stay smooth even if it’s slow. La-skill-la-skill-la-skill-swap-la-skill-la-skill. Just keep following the rotation. Some builds have 1 bar rotations where you take swap out of the equation. I’ve even seen a Stamden build using 2 buffs and 2 skills only hitting 60K. Of course that’s on an 810 in perfected gear with proper CP allocation but even in basic gear it should still hit 25-30K easily.

    So where I am CP640 wearing hunding/briar on Stamden with Sellistrix, I come in at 58k. Stamblade hunding/briar with Selene is 56k. Magplar with MS/juli 1pc balrogh 1pc slimecraw hits 63k. MagDK with ms/juli and maw 68k.

    You don’t need the trials gear to hit big numbers. But you do need the proper enchants in the gear and a good solid rotation. You’ve also got to be using food and drinking pots along the way.
  • Everest_Lionheart
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    vgabor wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    I watched my Gf tonight at the target dummy try to get over 12k on multiple toons and it completely bummed her out because she uses textbook builds by alcast including gear (except for monster helms because vets intimidate her and rightfully so. WE both have been at the receiving end of some extreme elitism in this game). She is trying extremely hard to pull better numbers, and its just not happening.

    Get a metronome app (either onto your pc or your mobile, does not matter where, it's the sound only what you need) set it to 57-58 BPM (beat per minute, it's slightly below the the 1 sec cooldown interval which would be 60 BPM), and then just simply press light attack and skill when you hear the tick. (tick: la skill, tick: la skill, tick: la skill, ...)

    Start with one simple spamable skill like force pulse, and just practice with that to get the rhythm. When you get the hang of it then add a dot like elemental blockade and practice with two skill (tick: la blockade, 8x tick: la forcepulse, tick: la blockade, 8x tick: forcepulse ...) Then move blockade to backbar and practice barswap too, just with these two skill, nothing more (tick: la blockade swap, 7x tick: la forcepulse, 1x tick: la forcepulse swap, tick: la blockade swap, ...) Then keep adding skills on back and frontbar one by one to build up your rotation, just practice each step until you feel comfortable with the number of skills you're using before adding another one.

    This is what I do, except I set it for 112 and alternate LA and skill for each tick. That translates to 56bpm for each LA. Pushing above that any slight rushing can get lost in the GCD and cause LA to not always fire.

    Staying smooth and pacing the LA and skills evenly is way easier when you have the audial reference for each. Now certain skills like ele weapon require a different timing and can’t always be weaved with my own metronome method. And sweeps on Templar can sometimes get a little dicey if you are a little late on the skill tick of the metronome and cause LA to miss as well but for the most part 112 is a nice sweet spot.

    For beginners I would recommend 108-110 and then work up to 112 just to learn how to not panic and rush.

    As a musician the metronome thing really improved my parses and weaving.
  • Linaleah
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    if you could hit 30k "easily" a LOT more people would do it. its NOT in fact easy.
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Wyrd88
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    To the OP's question, how it is possible? Well, some people just don't give a [snip] about what they're doing. Like comepletely.
    Here's an example.

    I've met this guy in vHRC pug run, noticed DD with 28k HP and decided to record a log.
    810+ CP dude.
    His "parse" on the last boss:
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    And his "build":
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    He was almost outparsed by a tank, just from Alkosh and lightning blockade. Tank did 3k and that dude 5k.
    How is this even possible on 810 PC? I don't know, this is just beyond my understanding.

    But if 810 guys that assigned for vet trials (I know it's craglorn, but still) can be that bad, what can you say about pugging normal dungens?

    Most people just don't care, simple as that.
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