pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

Hope you really never enter vet content.
I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

Even with the recommended overland sets in the right traits you should reach at least 30k effortless.

Weaving isn't hard just try it or stay with casual content. It's your choice anyways and it's fine unless you drag down your group in vet.

Why play at all? Because when I purchased ESO, weaving was a LITERAL BUG, NOT part of the game. The designers/engineers NEVER INTENDED weaving to exist, but they could also NOT find a solution so instead of fixing the bug/issue, they made it a "feature". Weaving was essentially an exploit.

So why play at all? Because I paid for the game? Because there are other aspects that I enjoy, but sadly its all locked behind running vets and trials where I am forced to use a broken, physically uncomfortable exploit to progress.

I have entered a ton of veteran dungeons, I have most of the busts and trophies. I have even pulled 60% of the DPS in many cases and most of the time I am 48% to 52%, but even then my meter shows about 24k DPS, but that is on trash/aoe. Single target I am barely able to sustain 18k.

I understand how CP works. I know the diminishing returns of points. I use ESO skill website to understand what CP buffs what abilities. I ensure my abilities work with my armor etc. But I absolutely can not get weaving down. I have tried it over and over and over again. In fact, daily for every month that I have played the game. I was on a target dummy tonight and could not get it to work.

As far as copying builds, most of them have "starter" or "overland" sets to use vs trial gear. But even on overland sets I can not even get CLOSE to sustaining 30k.

My GF tonight got depressed and logged because she does roughly 9 to 11k on target dummies and she is trying her best to weave, use abilities, etc.

The truth of the matter is that this game is not even remotely friendly to casuals or people who "build for fun". ZOS allows exploitive sets that do ridiculous DPS to be in game, then all the people like you chase these sets/builds and then mock anyone who does less than you, when in reality what you are accomplishing is more exploit/less skill.

I have played wow since vanilla. I was recruited literally across server, with someone paying for my transfer because I was topping PVE DPS in PVP gear. For years I was always top DPS regardless of the content. I had no issues in Warhammer Online, I had no issues in SWTOR regardless of class. But in this game I can't find a single build that I enjoy, that appeases folks like yourself.

Atherakhia wrote: »

There is absolutely NOTHING a player does while playing this game that teaches them what animation cancelling is or how to light attack weave. To the uninformed, they could easily assume the few times they do it by accident to be nothing but lag. However, the single greatest contributor to a person's DPS is light attack weaving. Light attack weaving nothing but their spammable and light attacks will yield you, conservatively, 20k DPS. Why do you think animation cancelling and light attack weaving is such a polarizing topic? It's unintuitive, inconsistent, and poorly implemented and yet players are expected to pick it up exclusively by word of mouth. Do something about light attack weaving and animation cancelling and you'd probably find inexperienced players are able to contribute more to a group.

Your post hits the nail on the head and pretty much answers every debate or question in this thread.

When the game started being balanced around light attack weaving, is when the combat took a downturn for the worst.

I PHYSICALLY can not light attack weave. I have tried over and over, I guess for years now. I get it to happen occasionally by accident, but I cant reproduce it even in the slightest. And because of this broken exploit/turned feature, I can not consume content I pay for, I am constantly ridiculed by elitist players, its turned much of what is fun in the game into an unfun chore. In fact I come and go in ESO because I get drawn in by a new expac or event, then get quickly reminded why I quit the last time, and its always the same tired issues.

The only way I am able to progress anymore is by being proactive and "kiss the butt" of the group I am with if they are pulling more DPS than me by telling them how amazing their DPS is, in hopes that in doing so, I don't get kicked for trying my butt off.

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

@Raideen

I'm not sure why you are finding the need to be sarcastic or rude. I haven't insulted you. I called myself a potato DPS for pulling 18k. I'm sorry your dps isn't where you want it to be. Maybe try the players helping players forum. I am asking about ppl who do 3k dmg. Not 18k.

To be completely honest, its because I don't believe that you pull 18k without trying. Calling yourself a potato for pulling 18k insinuates anyone who pull less is..well whatever is worse than a potato.

I say that because my friends and guildies are pulling 40-60k dps. I pull 18k not knowing what I'm doing. But I also know I don't have the wiring in my brain to dos. This is why I tank and heal. All I'm saying is that if me, who can pull 18k as a clueless person, can pull 18k, I don't understand how 3k is possible from ppl that high level. It has nothing to do with insulting you. Maybe you're like me and are better suited to heal and tank. Please don't get offended, it's far from my intention.

I don't understand the 60k dps stuff. I have never seen it done, not sustained at least. I don't see how it's even remotely possible.

I have been DPSing in MMO's for 16 years now, this is the only game I have an issue in. I am starting to see how its more related to light attack weaving than my build or rotation. I don't mean to be mean to you, you sound like a nice person but its just hard for me to understand where all these high numbers are coming from, when my own observations simply do not witness this.

Perhaps ESO is simply not the game for me. Perhaps I am too ignorant of a person to grasp the complexity of the builds in ESO.

I have to ask. In ESO when someone refers to pulling "60k" DPS does that mean a peak number, or sustained?

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

@Raideen

I'm not sure why you are finding the need to be sarcastic or rude. I haven't insulted you. I called myself a potato DPS for pulling 18k. I'm sorry your dps isn't where you want it to be. Maybe try the players helping players forum. I am asking about ppl who do 3k dmg. Not 18k.

To be completely honest, its because I don't believe that you pull 18k without trying. Calling yourself a potato for pulling 18k insinuates anyone who pull less is..well whatever is worse than a potato.

I say that because my friends and guildies are pulling 40-60k dps. I pull 18k not knowing what I'm doing. But I also know I don't have the wiring in my brain to dos. This is why I tank and heal. All I'm saying is that if me, who can pull 18k as a clueless person, can pull 18k, I don't understand how 3k is possible from ppl that high level. It has nothing to do with insulting you. Maybe you're like me and are better suited to heal and tank. Please don't get offended, it's far from my intention.

I don't understand the 60k dps stuff. I have never seen it done.

I have to ask. In ESO when someone refers to pulling "60k" DPS does that mean a peak number, or sustained?

On a boss. Example 50k dps in a 2 minute fight. 60k is on the higher end. 80k is achievable by like 1%

I am going to have to go with exploits then. I don't see any way, shape or form that someone can sustain that kind of DPS without using an exploit.

Are you talking about trials or vet dungeons?

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

@Raideen

I'm not sure why you are finding the need to be sarcastic or rude. I haven't insulted you. I called myself a potato DPS for pulling 18k. I'm sorry your dps isn't where you want it to be. Maybe try the players helping players forum. I am asking about ppl who do 3k dmg. Not 18k.

To be completely honest, its because I don't believe that you pull 18k without trying. Calling yourself a potato for pulling 18k insinuates anyone who pull less is..well whatever is worse than a potato.

I say that because my friends and guildies are pulling 40-60k dps. I pull 18k not knowing what I'm doing. But I also know I don't have the wiring in my brain to dos. This is why I tank and heal. All I'm saying is that if me, who can pull 18k as a clueless person, can pull 18k, I don't understand how 3k is possible from ppl that high level. It has nothing to do with insulting you. Maybe you're like me and are better suited to heal and tank. Please don't get offended, it's far from my intention.

I don't understand the 60k dps stuff. I have never seen it done.

I have to ask. In ESO when someone refers to pulling "60k" DPS does that mean a peak number, or sustained?

On a boss. Example 50k dps in a 2 minute fight. 60k is on the higher end. 80k is achievable by like 1%

I am going to have to go with exploits then. I don't see any way, shape or form that someone can sustain that kind of DPS without using an exploit.

It's not exploits. It's buffs on you and debuffs on the enemy. A lot of that comes from the healer. If the healer isn't there, or you're not applying those skills yourself, you're not going to get the numbers like that. I would suggest getting combat metrics and running your dps in a dungeon. You'll see with certain buffs and debuffs you'll preform much higher.

I have combat metrics and I build for debuffing. Peak I can hit 30k, but sustain usually drops to 18k. I don't run trials or with guildies. I mostly pug and any "hard content" will be pug vets for undaunted.

I also run magicka classes exclusively. Stamina builds just turn me off for some reason.

zvavi wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I have combat metrics and I build for debuffing. Peak I can hit 30k, but sustain usually drops to 18k. I don't run trials or with guildies. I mostly pug and any "hard content" will be pug vets for undaunted.

I also run magicka classes exclusively. Stamina builds just turn me off for some reason.

I don't think I understand what you mean by peak vs sustain. Dps calclates after you stop. If you're seeing 30k dps, then you are probably 30k dps.

30k sustainable is possible without weaving. Even in a heavy attack build.

Here you go. For gear I paired mother's sorrow and medusa (body+jewelry), with random destro staves I found in inventory (literally random, I think I was fortified brass front bar) and disastrous bloody mara as food. almost 35k dps, remove the 4.5k dps I had from light attacks (apologies can't stop these, I count on my ears to time the skills by the sound of light attacks) and you have 30k dps, with non trial gear, no monster set, no proper weapon sets, with usage of the base "trash" magicka potions.

I will add though that my "rotation" (if you can call it that way) did become more dynamic after few times, and is definitely not the ceiling of a heavy attack build. (Which was literally just put together from the circumstances people gave here and what I found in inventory, of no vet content done, only 2 sets etc etc) vMA staff should boost it by few k up if used, nMA is doable with some determination by anyone.