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So many scammers !
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Er, but money is (I can’t believe I have to say this) more valuable than in-game gold because it’s also used to purchase legitimately essential things. Gold just buys pixels.Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.
No, you just shift the problem to the other side. I'd say Crowns are more valuable than gold, and therefore as a crown BUYER I do not blame a seller asking for gold first.
Saying that, ZOS may actually take scammed crowns more seriously than scammed gold.I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !
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I dont agree with you. For 1500 crowns you have to pay 450.000 gold which is a lot . You cant do that in game in one hour or two , but in real life you can earn more then 15 euroes in 2h. So is about time . Time is money !
This is probably the most accurate statement in the entire forum. I can do without in-game gold for years but I cannot very well without real-world money. Food, paying taxes on my home, medical needs, and the list goes on of things real-world money is used for and which in-game gold is useless.2 -
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✭Big scammer going around to many zones on XBOX NA, right now.
Don’t buy from Potato au Gratin (not their actual name)
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont agree with you. For 1500 crowns you have to pay 450.000 gold which is a lot . You cant do that in game in one hour or two , but in real life you can earn more then 15 euros in 2h. So is about time . Time is money !
That is true IF and ONLY IF the hours you saved ingame by buying gold with crowns are going to be used to work for something that you can earn money from, and for which you will earn MORE money than the money you spent for the crowns you sold. Which is extremely unlikely to be the case. Most of us have a 40h/week (or so) job and we cannot decide to work to extra hours from 9 pm to 11pm and tell our boss to pay those two hours extra.
Also 15 euros is minimum hourly wage in some countries and an entire week's income in other countries.
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AshfieldLad✭✭✭But the crowns have already been purchased with real money already , so it’s as useless as gold at that point. Only relevant if the crowns are specifically purchased for that transaction and wouldn’t usually have been.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »
that would be against TOS as it is seen as a real world money for gold transaction
I wasn't suggesting buying it for someone for a trade of in-game gold.
I was talking about buying the game, or just the chapter update (rather than the full game), as a gift for someone, which is what it sounded like the guild nember who gifted Greymoor to another guild member had done-- but see below.
You can walk into any physical store that sells physical copies of games-- including ESO-- and buy a game to give to someone else as a gift, can't you? Or you can buy games online such as through Amazon and have them delivered to someone else as a gift. If that's perfectly legal and acceptable-- and even encouraged by game companies during the Christmas shopping season-- and isn't a violation of any sort of ESO's TOS, then I don't see why it shouldn't be possible to buy either the full Greymoor game (with the base game included), or just the update edition, for someone else from an online store such as the Bethesda online store or the Steam online store.
Whether such stores are set up to allow purchasing games or expansions for another account than your own is another matter.
As I was typing this reply, I happened to think of a way that the guild member who reportedly gifted Greymoor to another guild member might have done it. Anyone who watches ESO streamers on Twitch probably knows that certain streamers routinely conduct giveaways of digital codes for Greymoor. If the guild member who'd reportedly gifted the Greymoor expansion to another guild member happened to be such a streamer, or had won a code for the Greymoor expansion from such a streamer, or had otherwise purchased a digital code for the Greymoor expansion, then they could have mailed the code to their fellow guild member, right?Edited by SeaGtGruff on October 10, 2020 4:24PMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »As I was typing this reply, I happened to think of a way that the guild member who reportedly gifted Greymoor to another guild member might have done it.
The story said a stranger gifted Greymoor. It wasn't a transaction among guildmates. The story was just told to a guildmate.A guy in my guild struck up a random discussion with someone in game, just zone chat stuff. The person mentioned Greymoor and my guildie said " I don''t know I don't have it". The player just said "Oh, wait a minute" and my guildie thought nothing of it until a few minutes later when the player gifted him the DLC.
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »As I was typing this reply, I happened to think of a way that the guild member who reportedly gifted Greymoor to another guild member might have done it.
The story said a stranger gifted Greymoor. It wasn't a transaction among guildmates. The story was just told to a guildmate.A guy in my guild struck up a random discussion with someone in game, just zone chat stuff. The person mentioned Greymoor and my guildie said " I don''t know I don't have it". The player just said "Oh, wait a minute" and my guildie thought nothing of it until a few minutes later when the player gifted him the DLC.
Ah, okay! But regardless, any player who has a digital code for Greymoor could mail it to another player as long as they know a character name or account name to mail it to-- which, if the two players were chatting in zone chat, should be the case.
Edit -- What I don't know is whether it's possible for someone to redeem a digital code and apply it to someone else's account as a gift, in lieu of just mailing the code to them.
But the story (which a lot of people have expressed doubt over) didn't say that the person suddenly got a notification that Greymoor had been added to their account, only that the stranger from zone chat had gifted Greymoor to them.
So what I'm saying is that this could very well be a true story, not just some "feel good" fictional tale. Given the number of ESO streamers, and the fact that a lot of them seem to have Greymoor codes to give away to their viewers, I can easily believe that someone might strike up a conversation in zone chat with a streamer who decided to gift the person with a Greymoor code. And for all I know, it might also be possible for anyone to purchase a digital code and gift it to someone else.Edited by SeaGtGruff on October 10, 2020 7:38PMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »As I was typing this reply, I happened to think of a way that the guild member who reportedly gifted Greymoor to another guild member might have done it.
The story said a stranger gifted Greymoor. It wasn't a transaction among guildmates. The story was just told to a guildmate.A guy in my guild struck up a random discussion with someone in game, just zone chat stuff. The person mentioned Greymoor and my guildie said " I don''t know I don't have it". The player just said "Oh, wait a minute" and my guildie thought nothing of it until a few minutes later when the player gifted him the DLC.
Ah, okay! But regardless, any player who has a digital code for Greymoor could mail it to another player as long as they know a character name or account name to mail it to-- which, if the two players were chatting in zone chat, should be the case.
You're correct, I had not thought about the digital code option when I questioned the story. It makes it possible. Which is actually good news.
I think it's weird that a discussion about scammers is derailed in talking about how a nice story about generosity (however absurd it sounds) might be an entire hoax :-)
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Iarao✭✭✭✭Kalik_Gold wrote: »Yep, for over a year I bought crowns for gold no problems. I got relaxed... got scammed myself. Lesson learnt.
The email from Zos CSR was disheartening tho, and I guess they won't be taking any actions. So, that is why the scammers will keep scamming. At this rate, just create a gold for crown vendor in the game and be done with it Zos, or implement a system that moderates gifts for gold in game.
rift had a way (maybe still does, havent been there in yrs) that you could buy the store currency in a special pack that could be resold for game currency as long as it wasnt opened.0 -
Iarao✭✭✭✭Blacknight841 wrote: »The point that is being missed is that it is not the players fault. It has 100% to do with the developers. If you make a game, you should have measures in place to prevent scamming. They could easily make it so the the gift has a request for gold on it.
It is like if you have an apartment in a building, and there are no locks on the doors. You call the police and you explain there are burglaries in the area and he says that they know, and then walks away. You talk to the building owner about potentially getting a lock on the door, but their response is that the locks cost money and it is your responsibility to be safe and be vigilant... after all it is a renter beware world out there.
it IS the players' fault. they dont want to pay the going rate with the safe discord guilds.1 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭Zone chat crown buy/sell can be generally safe-ish IF you can determine the other's players CP and if on console, their gamerscorr/trophyscore. This prevents falling prey to fake accounts, as well as greatly lowering risk with high CP players. Few people with decent level of CP will risk their account get banned just for crowns/gold.
Of course, there is still risk there no matter what. Buyer beware.Edited by PrayingSeraph on October 13, 2020 4:53AM0 -
Fuzzybrick✭✭✭What if they are not really scammers.... But roll playing a theif?Edited by Fuzzybrick on October 14, 2020 12:41AM"A TROLL, HUH? WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION FOR THAT, DESTROY ALL THE BRIDGES IN THE WORLD!"-- Uncle Grandpa
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Disturbed_One✭✭✭✭I agree that ZoS should implement an in-game trading system, to prevent scams.
Until then, I'll use TCE, as what they have is really well set up and feels very safe. Sales are insured, and they've never had a scam.0 -
Disturbed_One✭✭✭✭Fuzzybrick wrote: »What if they are not really scammers.... But roll playing a theif?
They're still a scammer. Period.3 -
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✭Cheaters and scammers are the bottom of the barrel. The end result of a faulty upbringing.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »As I was typing this reply, I happened to think of a way that the guild member who reportedly gifted Greymoor to another guild member might have done it.
The story said a stranger gifted Greymoor. It wasn't a transaction among guildmates. The story was just told to a guildmate.A guy in my guild struck up a random discussion with someone in game, just zone chat stuff. The person mentioned Greymoor and my guildie said " I don''t know I don't have it". The player just said "Oh, wait a minute" and my guildie thought nothing of it until a few minutes later when the player gifted him the DLC.
Ah, okay! But regardless, any player who has a digital code for Greymoor could mail it to another player as long as they know a character name or account name to mail it to-- which, if the two players were chatting in zone chat, should be the case.
Edit -- What I don't know is whether it's possible for someone to redeem a digital code and apply it to someone else's account as a gift, in lieu of just mailing the code to them.
But the story (which a lot of people have expressed doubt over) didn't say that the person suddenly got a notification that Greymoor had been added to their account, only that the stranger from zone chat had gifted Greymoor to them.
So what I'm saying is that this could very well be a true story, not just some "feel good" fictional tale. Given the number of ESO streamers, and the fact that a lot of them seem to have Greymoor codes to give away to their viewers, I can easily believe that someone might strike up a conversation in zone chat with a streamer who decided to gift the person with a Greymoor code. And for all I know, it might also be possible for anyone to purchase a digital code and gift it to someone else.
@SeaGtGruff
Currently, Greymore can only be purchased outside of the game with real-world money. Since the purchase occurs outside of the game it cannot be traded for anything inside or the game. That is against the ToS and Zos has basically said as much.
Crown store items, even though they are purchased with real-world money one way or another, the crown store item is what we actually trade. That crown store item is in the game which is why Zos permits us to trade in-game items for the crown items.
It is an extremely small hair Zos splits there and I think it is a slippery slope in the ethics world, but that is the case they have made. I can provide links to Zos' comments on the matter, though they are not specifically on Greymore.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Fuzzybrick wrote: »What if they are not really scammers.... But roll playing a theif?
What kind of roll? Pizza roll, danish roll, cheesecake roll?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Currently, Greymore can only be purchased outside of the game with real-world money. Since the purchase occurs outside of the game it cannot be traded for anything inside or the game. That is against the ToS and Zos has basically said as much.
@idk,
Okay, and I already knew that the current chapter (whatever it happens to be) cannot be purchased in the Crown Store. And I have never in this thread suggested or discussed any kind of trade between in-game gold and something purchased with real-world money.
My only comments in this thread have been in connection to the person's story about how a fellow guild member was gifted a copy of the Greymoor expansion by someone they'd struck up a conversation with in zone chat-- or, more precisely, in response to people who doubted the truthfulness of that story.
I initially posited the possibility of purchasing a copy of Greymoor to give to someone as a gift-- not as a trade for anything in the game, but as a gift, as had been claimed had happened with the fellow guild member.
I know for a fact that you can walk into Best Buy or Game Stop or wherever and buy a physical copy (or perhaps only a box with a card with a code on it) of the Greymoor expansion and give it to someone as a gift, or buy it online through Amazon or wherever and have it shipped to someone else as a gift, and that it is not now, nor has it ever, been a TOS violation, otherwise a lot of parents and spouses and others are in deep doo-doo for having bought their son or daughter or husband or wife or brother or sister or best friend a copy of ESO or the latest ESO chapter as a birthday gift or Christmas present or whatever.
However, I wasn't sure whether you could purchase a game or expansion (i.e., code) in the Bethesda or Steam online store and gift it to another player's account, or whether it would automatically be applied to and locked into your own account.
Then, after someone else replied to me with this same "it's against TOS to trade for Greymoor like that" argument, and I had to point out to them that I had never suggested anything about trading for anything and was specifically talking about the "some stranger sent a copy of Greymoor to a fellow guild member as a gift" story, I remembered what I've seen over and over again on Twitch-- ESO streamers giving away digital codes for the Greymoor expansion, or for the base game with Greymoor, to lucky viewers of their channels. And I concluded that this stranger from zone chat must have had a code for the Greymoor expansion-- either because they were a streamer who has codes to give away, or because they won a drawing and received a code for Greymoor but didn't need it, or whatever-- and they must have mailed the code to the person as a gift.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭It's generally better to join some group on discord that specialises in selling crowns. They have reputation systems going on so scammers tend to be weeded out and if it's not enough for you there are middlemen that can help you with a transaction for a fee. I spent few million gold on Crowns this year and never got scammed.
What was your case? Were you buying from a group, guild or some rando advertising in zone chat?
Biggest problem with these guys like TCE is that they have a literal 50% markup compared to normal market price. They just increased their rate to 300:1, which is in and of itself a scam if you ask me. That is likely why so many people are getting scammed is because no one wants to pay an exorbitant 25-50% markup for a safety net.
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✭✭✭✭✭VoidCommander wrote: »Biggest problem with these guys like TCE is that they have a literal 50% markup compared to normal market price. They just increased their rate to 300:1, which is in and of itself a scam if you ask me. That is likely why so many people are getting scammed is because no one wants to pay an exorbitant 25-50% markup for a safety net.
Obviously enough people want to pay that price for a safety net, else those services would not exist or would be cheaper. It's a market, too.
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deevoh1991✭✭✭I have to agree. I was scammed on aug 6th and been proactively after the issue. They keep giving me vague responses . I sent them so much proof and screenshots. It's almost like it's they're just testing me to give in and buy crowns or something. Very very very disappointed with lack of responsibility and promptness from the team regarding this . The moderators respond fast but the actual in-game support is so bad.
If this is the case I can only see scammers and scamming increasing with the absolute lack of proper care or action from the team who seem to be sleeping and giving vague and ambiguous answers. HorribleEdited by deevoh1991 on October 14, 2020 10:44AMPSN GT : Divzor1 -
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✭✭✭✭I have never been scammed in-game and never will be. I only do secure trades and do not go forward if the other person suggests doing the trade in a manner I felt uncomfortable with. This starts with the common sense approach of not trading with strangers as that is asking to be scammed.
BTW, I think Zos should change anything they have set so it can be gifted so it comes to us as a token. That way we can sell and buy it via trader guilds which is a great way to trade securely. If some choose to trade directly then that would be on them.
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »Currently, Greymore can only be purchased outside of the game with real-world money. Since the purchase occurs outside of the game it cannot be traded for anything inside or the game. That is against the ToS and Zos has basically said as much.
@idk,
Okay, and I already knew that the current chapter (whatever it happens to be) cannot be purchased in the Crown Store. And I have never in this thread suggested or discussed any kind of trade between in-game gold and something purchased with real-world money.
My only comments in this thread have been in connection to the person's story about how a fellow guild member was gifted a copy of the Greymoor expansion by someone they'd struck up a conversation with in zone chat-- or, more precisely, in response to people who doubted the truthfulness of that story.
I initially posited the possibility of purchasing a copy of Greymoor to give to someone as a gift-- not as a trade for anything in the game, but as a gift, as had been claimed had happened with the fellow guild member.
I know for a fact that you can walk into Best Buy or Game Stop or wherever and buy a physical copy (or perhaps only a box with a card with a code on it) of the Greymoor expansion and give it to someone as a gift, or buy it online through Amazon or wherever and have it shipped to someone else as a gift, and that it is not now, nor has it ever, been a TOS violation, otherwise a lot of parents and spouses and others are in deep doo-doo for having bought their son or daughter or husband or wife or brother or sister or best friend a copy of ESO or the latest ESO chapter as a birthday gift or Christmas present or whatever.
However, I wasn't sure whether you could purchase a game or expansion (i.e., code) in the Bethesda or Steam online store and gift it to another player's account, or whether it would automatically be applied to and locked into your own account.
Then, after someone else replied to me with this same "it's against TOS to trade for Greymoor like that" argument, and I had to point out to them that I had never suggested anything about trading for anything and was specifically talking about the "some stranger sent a copy of Greymoor to a fellow guild member as a gift" story, I remembered what I've seen over and over again on Twitch-- ESO streamers giving away digital codes for the Greymoor expansion, or for the base game with Greymoor, to lucky viewers of their channels. And I concluded that this stranger from zone chat must have had a code for the Greymoor expansion-- either because they were a streamer who has codes to give away, or because they won a drawing and received a code for Greymoor but didn't need it, or whatever-- and they must have mailed the code to the person as a gift.
@SeaGtGruff
I was not discounting what you had to say. I was just pointing out in the context of this thread, which is about trading crowns for gold, that trading the greymore chapter for in-game gold would violate the ToS.
I think we are all aware that straight up giving someone the chapter, or even paying for the subscription as a true gift would not violate the ToS as there is no trading involved. That seems to be what you are talking about which really has nothing to do with this thread.0 -
Mappy2kx✭✭✭deevoh1991 wrote: »I have to agree. I was scammed on aug 6th and been proactively after the issue. They keep giving me vague responses . I sent them so much proof and screenshots. It's almost like it's they're just testing me to give in and buy crowns or something. Very very very disappointed with lack of responsibility and promptness from the team regarding this . The moderators respond fast but the actual in-game support is so bad.
If this is the case I can only see scammers and scamming increasing with the absolute lack of proper care or action from the team who seem to be sleeping and giving vague and ambiguous answers. Horrible
very sad,it happened to me too.M0