So many scammers !

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2020

idk wrote: »

I have never been scammed in-game and never will be.

You cannot know that for sure. While I won't deny that being cautious, not trading with strangers, and all the stuff you listed, will reduce drastically your risk of being scammed, that risk can never be totally erased.

You sound like all the power is in your hands and if something goes wrong, the victim's to blame. There are many people in zone who are honest, though, just like there are many people who walk home late at night without stumbling upon trouble.

huntgod_ESO · October 2020

Not gonna victim blame, I'm sorry the OP got scammed, but I also feel they have a warped expectation of the actual situation.

Don't buy or sell gold in zone or general chat...just don't. This is like walking down the street and someone offers to sell you a Rolex for $500 and wants cash up, front, no one would do that, or should but there is a real variation of that scam that works.

There are two well known and reputable Crown sellers on Discord, one has fixed pricing and guarantees exchanges that take place on their discord, the other has more flexible pricing (both are lower than the 300:1 you quoted btw, that is a terrible exchange rate) and has a reputation system, I've used it frequently and never had an issue, they are very proactive about banning scammers and making sure folks know who they are buying from. Both of these are pretty damn close to being scam free and if by some bad luck you get taken, they will typically take care of you.

Alternately buy from folks you know, in guild or wherever...

volkeswagon · October 2020

crowns should be no-fee COD or gift only. That would eliminate scams.

Alienoutlaw · October 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Greymoor is a chapter, and cannot be gifted via crown store.

True, but can you buy it as a gift from the online store if you know the account name of the person you want to gift it to?

that would be against TOS as it is seen as a real world money for gold transaction

tgykpR · October 2020

I got scammed for more than 1 million gold. GMs did not take any action and I did not receive my gold back. Scammers know that and this situation encourages them more. I must say ZOS has the worst customer service ever. After a point they don't ever bother replying your ticket and just close them.

doomette · October 2020

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

This hasn't been possible at all last time I looked. Where is this gifting option in the online store?

I wasn't saying the option is there, I was asking if it's there.

I don't think he was asking you, but rather the person who told the story of a stranger spontaneously offering the "Greymoor DLC" to another stranger ingame. But since Greymoor isn't a DLC and cannot be gifted via crowns or anything,the story looks pretty fake. Too bad, was a nice story.

But you can still gift it using the store of whatever platform you’re using. I’ve gifted a chapter to a friend, and my husband gifted me the latest chapter as a pre-order. Just because you can’t do it through the crown store doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

Agreed, but using the platforms (XBox, PSN, Steam, etc... ) still requires more information than just the ingame ID, so that means it's not possible to do that for a stranger you've just met in zone chat. Besides, a total stranger offering you something sounds very nice and all, but it still looks quite fishy. I mean, logically, either this person is on a generosity trip and offers stuff to everyone (which, while being very nice, is also pretty nuts AND expensive), or there's some hidden agenda.

Now that I think about it, I think I did need to know my friend’s email to buy her Vvadenfell through the XBox store. Sorry, but totally forgot about that part.

Inaya · October 2020

joerginger wrote: »

This hasn't been possible at all last time I looked. Where is this gifting option in the online store?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5917/~/can-i-buy-the-elder-scrolls-online-as-a-gift?

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2020

Inaya wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

This hasn't been possible at all last time I looked. Where is this gifting option in the online store?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5917/~/can-i-buy-the-elder-scrolls-online-as-a-gift?

... which requires Steam ID, info that "a stranger in zone chat" cannot have.

Thanks for proving your story is a fake. Was a nice story though.

Curious_Death · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

one simple solution

buy crowns from +1000 cp

Canned_Apples · October 2020

They don’t get punished and you don’t get your gold back. Even with video proof.

And if you report it, then zos blames you for their broken system.

These people scam because there are no consequences.

SpacemanSpiff1 · October 2020

Canned_Apples wrote: »

They don’t get punished and you don’t get your gold back. Even with video proof.

And if you report it, then zos blames you for their broken system.

These people scam because there are no consequences.

It's not broken, gifting works. it wasn't intended to trade fake currency for less-fake currency. Players turned it into their own grey market (not against tos, but not regulated in any way).

Inaya · October 2020

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

This hasn't been possible at all last time I looked. Where is this gifting option in the online store?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5917/~/can-i-buy-the-elder-scrolls-online-as-a-gift?

... which requires Steam ID, info that "a stranger in zone chat" cannot have.

Thanks for proving your story is a fake. Was a nice story though.

Hey, it's what my guildie told me. Calm down lol

JKorr · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

The moderators on the forums aren't game masters. They have no powers in the game.

No transaction between players is ever 100% safe. However there are ways to make crown sales safer. Good guilds have an escrow system; people who want to sell crowns contacts the guildmaster with how much, people who want to buy crowns contact the guildmaster with how much they want to pay and what items they want, and sends the guildmaster the gold. The guildmaster acts as the intermediary; the seller gifts the items to the buyer. The buyer tells the guildmaster the gifts arrived, and the guildmaster sends the gold to the seller. This only works if you have a good guildmaster the guild can trust.

joerginger · October 2020

Inaya wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

This hasn't been possible at all last time I looked. Where is this gifting option in the online store?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5917/~/can-i-buy-the-elder-scrolls-online-as-a-gift?

Thanks for the link. But unfortunately that doesn't help at all if the other player isn't playing ESO on Steam. I haven't checked the requirements for gifting a physical copy, but logically a geographical address would be needed. I meant gifting an expansion to someone who you only know the ESO account name of. So the short answer is - normal gifting is completely impossible.

Zer0_CooL · October 2020

Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.

richo262 · October 2020

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.

No, you just shift the problem to the other side. I'd say Crowns are more valuable than gold, and therefore as a crown BUYER I do not blame a seller asking for gold first.

Saying that, ZOS may actually take scammed crowns more seriously than scammed gold.

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

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Iselin · October 2020

As predicted when gifting was first announced.... nothing to see here.

volkeswagon · October 2020

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.

Then people will receive the items then not pay. Zos def can't do anything about that cause it's a gift. Send gold is on record. COD for crown gifting is the only way to fix it.

phairdon · October 2020

Adding a gold for crowns feature to the crown store or UI would stop any scamming.

idk · October 2020

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I have never been scammed in-game and never will be.

You cannot know that for sure. While I won't deny that being cautious, not trading with strangers, and all the stuff you listed, will reduce drastically your risk of being scammed, that risk can never be totally erased.

You sound like all the power is in your hands and if something goes wrong, the victim's to blame. There are many people in zone who are honest, though, just like there are many people who walk home late at night without stumbling upon trouble.

I do know for sure. This is not like the chance I could be robbed walking to my car. This is something I do actually have control over. You are clearly assuming I am taking risks that I say I am not. Maybe we have different definitions of what a stranger is.

idk · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

don't give gold to people you don't know or trust.

I try not !
But is funny how to decide who to trust and who to dont . That guy was lvl 500 . I thought he will recret in case zos will ban his account . Its mot easy to do 500 lvls

So you decided to trust someone because they are CP500? I would suggest you are far to trusting.

@SpacemanSpiff1 has it right in what you quoted. However, I would add that there is no justification for trusting a stranger which seems to be what happened here.

Mappy2kx · October 2020

idk wrote: »

Mappy2kx wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

don't give gold to people you don't know or trust.

I try not !
But is funny how to decide who to trust and who to dont . That guy was lvl 500 . I thought he will recret in case zos will ban his account . Its mot easy to do 500 lvls

So you decided to trust someone because they are CP500? I would suggest you are far to trusting.

@SpacemanSpiff1 has it right in what you quoted. However, I would add that there is no justification for trusting a stranger which seems to be what happened here.

Doing 500 lvls in eso is not easy ,

Mappy2kx · October 2020

richo262 wrote: »

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.

No, you just shift the problem to the other side. I'd say Crowns are more valuable than gold, and therefore as a crown BUYER I do not blame a seller asking for gold first.

Saying that, ZOS may actually take scammed crowns more seriously than scammed gold.

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

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I dont agree with you. For 1500 crowns you have to pay 450.000 gold which is a lot . You cant do that in game in one hour or two , but in real life you can earn more then 15 euroes in 2h. So is about time . Time is money !

Mappy2kx · October 2020

JKorr wrote: »

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

The moderators on the forums aren't game masters. They have no powers in the game.

No transaction between players is ever 100% safe. However there are ways to make crown sales safer. Good guilds have an escrow system; people who want to sell crowns contacts the guildmaster with how much, people who want to buy crowns contact the guildmaster with how much they want to pay and what items they want, and sends the guildmaster the gold. The guildmaster acts as the intermediary; the seller gifts the items to the buyer. The buyer tells the guildmaster the gifts arrived, and the guildmaster sends the gold to the seller. This only works if you have a good guildmaster the guild can trust.

And if you are not in any guild ? Like me ? Lonley wolf ???

Mappy2kx · October 2020

Canned_Apples wrote: »

They don’t get punished and you don’t get your gold back. Even with video proof.

And if you report it, then zos blames you for their broken system.

These people scam because there are no consequences.

I think you are right . I scammed someone yestarday for 1 mil gold . He wanted to buy crowns for some furnitures and I said to him to send me the gold first , and he did . Its so easy to scam people . I did it to teach him a leasson to dont trust anyone and to dont buy crowns like that , to pay only after he recives the crown items. I gave him back the many after that lesson . But anyone can do that and it will make people to leave the game , after hard working for 1 mil gold

(( sad !

Mappy2kx · October 2020

tgykpR wrote: »

I got scammed for more than 1 million gold. GMs did not take any action and I did not receive my gold back. Scammers know that and this situation encourages them more. I must say ZOS has the worst customer service ever. After a point they don't ever bother replying your ticket and just close them.

Damn. I know the feeling ! Its so damn crazy this game . Feel bad for Eso . It will go empty soon ! It was a nice game !

Blacknight841 · October 2020

The point that is being missed is that it is not the players fault. It has 100% to do with the developers. If you make a game, you should have measures in place to prevent scamming. They could easily make it so the the gift has a request for gold on it.

It is like if you have an apartment in a building, and there are no locks on the doors. You call the police and you explain there are burglaries in the area and he says that they know, and then walks away. You talk to the building owner about potentially getting a lock on the door, but their response is that the locks cost money and it is your responsibility to be safe and be vigilant... after all it is a renter beware world out there.

doomette · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Pay after recieving the item. Problem solved.

No, you just shift the problem to the other side. I'd say Crowns are more valuable than gold, and therefore as a crown BUYER I do not blame a seller asking for gold first.

Saying that, ZOS may actually take scammed crowns more seriously than scammed gold.

Mappy2kx wrote: »

I'm reading this forrums for years , but this year was the worst year regarding the scammings ! So many people are scammed and the GM dont take any action. It is sad ! I've been scammed a month ago , and still didnt recive the gold back ! And Im sure that person who scammed me did a lot of gold from other naive players. Its funny how fast GMs reacts on this forum to tell you "you've been warned" , "that is against zos "bla bla bla , and how slow or never act in the actual game which we play and write here about our experinces ! I'm very disapointed about you Zos ! Thanx GOD you've been bought by Micro !
Ps:I still wait that good damn gold !

[snip]

[Edited to remove Bashing and Discussing Mod Actions]

I dont agree with you. For 1500 crowns you have to pay 450.000 gold which is a lot . You cant do that in game in one hour or two , but in real life you can earn more then 15 euroes in 2h. So is about time . Time is money !

Er, but money is (I can’t believe I have to say this) more valuable than in-game gold because it’s also used to purchase legitimately essential things. Gold just buys pixels.

idk · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Mappy2kx wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

don't give gold to people you don't know or trust.

I try not !
But is funny how to decide who to trust and who to dont . That guy was lvl 500 . I thought he will recret in case zos will ban his account . Its mot easy to do 500 lvls

So you decided to trust someone because they are CP500? I would suggest you are far to trusting.

@SpacemanSpiff1 has it right in what you quoted. However, I would add that there is no justification for trusting a stranger which seems to be what happened here.

Doing 500 lvls in eso is not easy ,

@Mappy2kx I never said getting to CP 500 was easy so I fail to see your point on that.

I did speak to the fact that someone's CP level is irrelevant to how trustworthy they are and your experience proves me correct.

Then again, the rise we choose to accept is something each of us makes on our own.

idk · October 2020

Mappy2kx wrote: »

tgykpR wrote: »

I got scammed for more than 1 million gold. GMs did not take any action and I did not receive my gold back. Scammers know that and this situation encourages them more. I must say ZOS has the worst customer service ever. After a point they don't ever bother replying your ticket and just close them.

Damn. I know the feeling ! Its so damn crazy this game . Feel bad for Eso . It will go empty soon ! It was a nice game !

And players have been predicting the game was coming to a quick end for over six years. Each of them has been proven wrong with time.

Considering the indications we have about the population grown or decline has shown a consistent growth over time that has not ceased it seems that any claim ESO will empty out soon has no basis in reality.