Vampire stages still work the wrong way.

Tapio75 · October 2020

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

ectoplasmicninja · October 2020

Fennorian is weak at that point from having been tortured, and drinks the blood to restore his strength. There's no difference between the blood of willing and unwilling victims save for the morality of the method of acquisition.

If blood makes you powerful, it makes sense that you'd feed to increase your stage. The rework has framed it as feeding meaning giving into your vampiric urges and falling further into the dark side, as it were, so refraining from blood means becoming weaker and looking more normal. If you're a savage bloodsucker, you look commensurately terrifying and have to Mesmerize mortals to convince them to deal with you. That seems pretty logical to me.

Agreed that vampiric drain should increase your stage. If giving into the beast is such a slippery slope, it should apply here too.

Wolfster · October 2020

Tapio75 wrote: »

it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers

No it doesn't.

For banking use the outlaws refuge. For any other NPC that won't talk to you just use mesmerise on them.

Stanx · October 2020

Wolfster wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers

No it doesn't.

For banking use the outlaws refuge. For any other NPC that won't talk to you just use mesmerise on them.

Unless they're a pack merchant. For some reason, these guys are impervious to my mind tricks (real Watto vibes).

OmniDo · October 2020

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

The rework has framed it as feeding meaning giving into your vampiric urges and falling further into the dark side, as it were, so refraining from blood means becoming weaker and looking more normal.

Just, no.
Vampire is backwards and ridiculous with respect to classical Elder Scrolls canon.
It will always be backwards and ridiculous following this retcon, unless other bloodlines are introduced.

I hold those of the public who lobbied for this change in ridicule, contempt, and disgust, and I also hold Zenimax management equally responsible due to demonstrating a total lack of conviction with respect to maintaining their own canonical consistency.

MornaBaine · October 2020

Once they'd lengthened the stages to 6 hours vs something ridiculous like 20 minutes (yes, that used to be a thing) I was overall content with the the way the stages worked and the unique justification for them. I liked being able to feed to reduce my stage. I dislike that now that we finally have all these cool feeding animations that feeding now advances your stage, pretty much meaning that I never do it. I deeply dislike and resent getting stuck with the vamp lord form as my Ult now. I will never use it.

But you know what I find most annoying? That they utterly failed to take this year long story focused on vampires to give us an overhaul of the visuals for vamps. That, at the very least they should not have failed to fix the vamp skins so that they don't utterly wash out body and face markings as well as makeup!

And it's just beyond my comprehension that they failed to create a variety of skins to offer us in the crown store that would allow us to customize the vamp look even more. Especially a "mortal" skin that, when donned, takes you to your original pre-vamp appearance.

Way to drop the ball and/or remain totally tone deaf to your player base.

ectoplasmicninja · October 2020

OmniDo wrote: »

Just, no.
Vampire is backwards and ridiculous with respect to classical Elder Scrolls canon.
It will always be backwards and ridiculous following this retcon, unless other bloodlines are introduced.

Certainly the opposite of Cyrodiilic vampires, but those seem to be an outlier compared to the other types from the way they're described in Immortal Blood. Do we know enough about the other strains of vampirism to conclude that there's no possibility at all that whatever we obtained from Lamae could work this way?

Wolfster · October 2020

OmniDo wrote: »

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

The rework has framed it as feeding meaning giving into your vampiric urges and falling further into the dark side, as it were, so refraining from blood means becoming weaker and looking more normal.

Just, no.
Vampire is backwards and ridiculous with respect to classical Elder Scrolls canon.
It will always be backwards and ridiculous following this retcon, unless other bloodlines are introduced.

I hold those of the public who lobbied for this change in ridicule, contempt, and disgust, and I also hold Zenimax management equally responsible due to demonstrating a total lack of conviction with respect to maintaining their own canonical consistency.

It's a completely different strain from the others encountered in the Elder Scrolls games. Hence being impervious to sunlight.

It can have whatever properties ZOS want and it does not contradict canon or introduce any inconsistency.

[snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Vevvev · October 2020

I feel less vampiric now than I did before Greymoor. The fact using abilities has no bearing on your stage, and by feeding you make yourself weaker, I have been feeding less and less. Also feeding is impossible to do in combat and it doesn't heal you which is completely stupid when it used to before.

There is 0 reason to keep feeding at stage 4 because of this, and to make matters worse Vampiric Drain is such a terrible heal that I can never slot it on my bar if I plan to win. Everything does Vampiric Drain's job better leading to the vampire skill line feeling like a bloodfiend simulator than an actual vampire siphoning health from their foes.

Malkiv · October 2020

ESO Forums: Vampire feeding is backwards! It should be the other way!
ZOS: Changes feeding and stages to be opposite of what they were.
ESO Forums: Vampire feeding is still backwards! It should be the other other way!

Vevvev · October 2020

Malkiv wrote: »

ESO Forums: Vampire feeding is backwards! It should be the other way!
ZOS: Changes feeding and stages to be opposite of what they were.
ESO Forums: Vampire feeding is still backwards! It should be the other other way!

If they just flipped the stages it wouldn't be a problem but they added so many terrible debuffs that it made it so people don't even want to feed. Had they used the current debuffs with the old system you'd see people feeding all the time.

Toanis · October 2020

Pre Revamp:
Well fed vampires barely even noticed any change, starving vampires are at their strongest.

Post Revamp:
Well fed vampires are so drunk with power they are almost feral and have difficulty doing things that used to be easy (like holding a sword on the right end) while now the starving vampires barely notice any change.

Rest of fiction:
Well fed vampires are superhumans at the height of their power, starving vampires get weaker and weaker, until their mind snaps and they become feral monsters that draw on the last of their reserves for one last attempt at getting blood.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · October 2020

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2020

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

Makes you wonder why they brought that whole "Other Vampires get stronger by starving but we get stronger by Feeding" dialogue by Lamae Bal into it when all NPC Vampires got stronger by feeding.

Its all about perspective anyway, some builds get weaker from feeding because the stage based passives do not help their builds while others do get stronger, my mageblade for example gets stronger from feeding because he actually uses Blood 4 Blood as his main spammable and he can use Blood Scion more often, infact just yesterday I was in the Imperial City and being a Vampire saved me several thousand tel var from a ganker because just as he was about to hit execute I managed to transform into a Blood Scion.

Tapio75 · October 2020

I just want to feed to get back to normal and not being forced to carry bloody mara with me everywhere i go,

So why are people opposed to..

-Feeding reduces vampire stage
-Using vampire abilities incrtease vampire stage
-Having bloody mara as RP way to have blood of a willing victim instead of feeding
-Being without drinking blood also increases stage over time

Only reason s i can see, are the one with bloody mara selling better now so making it optional would take away some of players profit on that side. The other rreason is, that current vampire favors lazy MMO playstyle. You get your powerful state and dont need to maintain it in any way but then again this reason fails, because in my way of how feeding works you dont have to do anything stay on vampire stage which is pretty much the same as it is now.

I do use feeding to kill my DB victims or if they look funny at me, but i drink much less for the enjoyment of it, because drinking makes me weak and people dont like me when im fed so it is harder to pass as a human now. They keep asking why i drink that potion all the time "Is that blood?".

Regarding Fennorian. He most definitely wants his flask in the tutorial to not get feral, but we when fully fed, get more feral and powerful though weaknesses occur... The last i visited his Clan on Covenant lands, his vampirism strain was same as mine and worked pretty much the same as i... But something happened to me when news from Solitude came about vampires there, My vampirism suddenly went haywire and turned exact opposite it was before.

In any case, after getting feral in the end of the story, Fennorian again wants his flask. He does not specify more than "Now where is my flask", but clearly drinking blood still sates his thirst and makes him less feral and work rationally again unlike what he supposedly would be without his flask.

Oh.. The mesmerize is not available for players who just got infected and still learn to be vampires. Getting vampirism by doing quests for example with dailies here and there takes some time... Quite some time actually. It is not an option for many new vampires who still need mandatory bloody mara (Rename it that).

I would also like to be able to feed on combat... If only vampiric drain would work like that or if it even be useful in the first place. I only slot it because it gives the vampiric flavor to the character.

Lord-Otto · October 2020

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Ratinira · October 2020

Tapio75 wrote: »

This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers

Strange, my 4 stage vamp has no problem speaking with horse trainers. The same as non-vamp characters.
No problem with bankers, guild traders and merchants. Most speak to me with no problems, rest after mesmerising skill.
The only one immune to it I met is banker in Solitude.
Not much problem with quest-givers either, they are very eager to talk.

Swordancer · October 2020

The problem in not that you have to drink bloody mara to reduce the stage but that in the stage 4 you supposed to be more powerful expect you are not.

You are usually much weaker except specific builds which are still weaker that the good one you can use with stage 1 and regular skills. Usually it is unprofitable to use vampire abilities except for the ult when you can use much better skills of your class or skills from some other trees combined with some additional damage overtime and a lot of health. Im using vampire transformation during tight combats in cyrodil when I have to break through the gate or somone got build that is good to kill my build. When you are transformed you can use your classic abilitis which is a great advantage over werewolfs but the problem is it's too short and you can't make it longer by drinking blood of your victims or using vampire skills. In my opinion, ordinary vampire skills are useless comparing to other skill combinations. These are also too class sensitive.

Raideen · October 2020

The entire vampire thing is completely fubard. I don't understand how a "talented" group of game devs can get things so wrong, especially when they have lore to draw from. It's not that hard, the vampire stuff writes itself. Go figure.

ectoplasmicninja · October 2020

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

"If I did not kill a warm blooded creature once a night and drink its blood, my hunger would gnaw at me, and any wounds I suffered would not heal no matter how much I rested." - Vampires of the Iliac Bay, Chapter II

The narrator needs blood for healing, which implies that he would not be very strong if he were to starve himself.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · October 2020

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Same with the sunliht damage
And we dont die by being in the sunlight

Vevvev · October 2020

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

"If I did not kill a warm blooded creature once a night and drink its blood, my hunger would gnaw at me, and any wounds I suffered would not heal no matter how much I rested." - Vampires of the Iliac Bay, Chapter II

The narrator needs blood for healing, which implies that he would not be very strong if he were to starve himself.

Shame drinking blood does the opposite now....

ectoplasmicninja · October 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

Shame drinking blood does the opposite now....

Well, feeding makes you stronger at being a vampire at least. But they really overdid it with the non-vampire-skill cost increases.

Lord-Otto · October 2020

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Same with the sunliht damage
And we dont die by being in the sunlight

No sun damage in Skyrim.

Lord-Otto · October 2020

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

"If I did not kill a warm blooded creature once a night and drink its blood, my hunger would gnaw at me, and any wounds I suffered would not heal no matter how much I rested." - Vampires of the Iliac Bay, Chapter II

The narrator needs blood for healing, which implies that he would not be very strong if he were to starve himself.

No, he's saying damage taken would increase. Kind of what happens to you when your stage goes up with the classic vampirism.

Vevvev · October 2020

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Shame drinking blood does the opposite now....

Well, feeding makes you stronger at being a vampire at least. But they really overdid it with the non-vampire-skill cost increases.

Can't disagree with you there. If that was gone imagine the possibilities!!! I could use a blood frenzied stage 4 vampire on my healer making the healing massive while also not having to worry about running out of resources to keep my group buffed and with resources of their own. Or a stage 3 tank that can survive the 13% increased flame damage taken and not get incredibly punished with the cost increase on their taunts, pulls, and CC.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · October 2020

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Same with the sunliht damage
And we dont die by being in the sunlight

No sun damage in Skyrim.

So it is possible to change vampirism

Vevvev · October 2020

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Same with the sunliht damage
And we dont die by being in the sunlight

No sun damage in Skyrim.

Technically Skyrim does have sun damage, but not lethal sun damage...

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Guyle · October 2020

I mean, they kinda wrapped it all up neatly in a bow when the lore master general dude guy explained why these changes happened in that live stream before Greymoor was released. Not really sure you have a leg to stand on in this argument, except that you just dont like it.

Lord-Otto · October 2020

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

You need to drink blood to get powerful AKA stage 4. This is wrong AND to add to the insult, it makes keeping purifying bloody mara on your pocket mandatory to speak to certain services ike horse trainers and even more annoying, you need to be ONLINE to get rid of stage 4 by waiting and waiting takes ages.

How it should work?

You drink blood, you get rid of your bloodthirst and weaknesses so you also get rid of stage 4 by frinking blood. If you wait, be it online or offline, you get bloodthirsty and get your vampire weaknesses back as well but you also get more powerful. Again, if you drink blood from unwilling victims, you lose your thirst for blood and get rid of weaknesses but you also get weaker on your powers.

You notice Fennorain going weak on that part of story where he is experimented on. That implies he gets weaknesses by being without his flask of blood from willing victims.

How that affects his powers however, is all speculation though... But blood takes bloodthirst away so purifying bloody mara dfoes the same, right. Purifying bloody mara being our flask of blood from willing victims.

If we use our vampire powers, that should also increase our vampire stage gradually... At least vampire drain should as well as that ultimate which i dont use because i still hate the whole bloodscion thingy.

They finally corrected it to work the right way they should not change it back
Back in elsweyr there is an nps vampire that cant fight the rest if her clan because the are too strong for her since they drinked blood and she didnt

Also we have a completely differand kind of vampirism as sunlight doesnt affect us like in other game, so they can do whatever they want with it

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

Same with the sunliht damage
And we dont die by being in the sunlight

No sun damage in Skyrim.

So it is possible to change vampirism

Nope. Strengths and weaknesses of classic vampires have always varied, which is indeed attributed to the strains.
Core mechanics have not. Feeding and stages have always been a constant.

Tapio75 · October 2020

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's not how it should work. There's a precedent in the TES games, that's how it should work because that's how it's always worked, no matter the strain.

"If I did not kill a warm blooded creature once a night and drink its blood, my hunger would gnaw at me, and any wounds I suffered would not heal no matter how much I rested." - Vampires of the Iliac Bay, Chapter II

The narrator needs blood for healing, which implies that he would not be very strong if he were tI have been running around Gold coats half dead for about an hour now. Not done battle though, but i accidentally toggled vampire frenzy and it got my health low. At least with stuff i currently have, passives and such, the health has not regenerated at all so this would be same on my vampire as what was told in the book. Though if i drink blood now that i am stage 4, it has no effct on me which in my mind is wron, because that should help me get stronger again. Just like Fennorian in few occasions he needs his flask.