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Major Mending and DKs

RamiroCruzo
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For the past few years, every class has gotten healing buffs but DKs were constantly ignored saying they got access to Major Mending. Last patch there was an attempt to bring Coagulating Blood to burst heal standards yet this patch, Major Mending got nerfed with no adjustments for the class.

Please don't pull a dead class out of coffin just to destroy it more.
Edited by RamiroCruzo on September 21, 2020 7:09PM
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  • danthemann5
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    These patch notes look extremely bad for stam DK, at least as far as PvP is concerned. I can't comment on PvE.

    Major Mending was one of, if not our single most important defensive skills. Everyone just recently took a 20% healing nerf with the battle spirit change, and now here comes another 39% (ish) healing nerf. How are we supposed to stay alive? Are we just meant to play stam necro instead?
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  • olsborg
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    Have you tried to selfheal on a stamblade yet? Pls stop whining, you have it good.

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  • RamiroCruzo
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Have you tried to selfheal on a stamblade yet? Pls stop whining, you have it good.

    Ever tried building for self heals? Nah, we just gotta comment everywhere without knowing a thing.
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  • MincVinyl
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    Just be happy you cant be run down by groups as easily since defiles got nerfed.

    Now if only we had more ways to deal with snares
  • Extinct_Solo_Player
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    Don't know why you wouldn't just make the mending a unique buff on fragmented shield, We have no built in % based mitigation like stamcro or stamden, no passive heal over times to make up for the fact that we cannot move and kite like other classes.
  • Recapitated
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    W the major fortitude change and access to both minor and major breach on snb bar, you can slot orgnum's and get more health recovery even if you abandon some damage from sets. Not sure that it's a complete solution but there is an upside. Not loving the fact that I have to remove another class skill to make room for pierce

    You could practically get the same result as before by putting Minor Mending on the DK shield.
    Edited by Recapitated on September 21, 2020 9:08PM
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    For the past few years, every class has gotten healing buffs but DKs were constantly ignored saying they got access to Major Mending. Last patch there was an attempt to bring Coagulating Blood to burst heal standards yet this patch, Major Mending got nerfed with no adjustments for the class.

    Please don't pull a dead class out of coffin just to destroy it more.

    Wooh dk say hello to sorc. We got 2 heals...and no healing passives or boosts.
  • Ariades_swe
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Have you tried to selfheal on a stamblade yet? Pls stop whining, you have it good.

    I'll trade major mending for cloak or shade any day of the week.
    If you die alot on a stamnb, the most overtuned stamclass atm, go back to tetris.
    Edited by Ariades_swe on September 21, 2020 10:18PM
  • Kharner
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    Stam DK's utility tool kit absolutely needs to be looked at since major mending is getting nerfed like this. Green Dragonblood will probably replace it, which will render Fragmented shield completely worthless.

    Stam DK's kit is really starting to look dated compared to other stam classes. The nerfs to wings, now frag shield have left stam dk in a really bad spot
  • ecru
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    Yeah this is going to be a major issue, major mending is the only thing stamdk has to reliably heal itself. Cauterize is of course "okay" but unreliable, costs mag, and of course doesn't always heal you. Stamdk is going to need some extra healing somewhere to keep up with other classes as it's entirely reliant on major mending for self healing. I don't have a magdk but I'd imagine magdk is in the same boat.
    olsborg wrote: »
    Have you tried to selfheal on a stamblade yet? Pls stop whining, you have it good.

    We don't have a button that hides us from enemies and stops dots from doing damage either.
    Edited by ecru on September 22, 2020 7:28PM
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  • Onefrkncrzypope
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    olsborg wrote: »
    Have you tried to selfheal on a stamblade yet? Pls stop whining, you have it good.

    Your class isn't supposed to out heal, you class is designed differently. Stop your whining and understand what your class strengths and weaknesses are..
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  • Urzigurumash
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    You guys still heal? I just mash R2 & L2 a few dozen times until leap fires and then respawn
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  • Riggsy
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    Learn to dodge-roll.

    Seriously though, I gave up on shield awhile ago so this change wouldn't hurt me one bit. But yeah, Stam DKs need some love (and we'll never see it). We don't have an identity. What was once the "stand your ground" class can't do much of that.
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  • ExistingRug61
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    Just playing devils advocate here, but keep in mind that defiles have also been reduced in power.

    This actually means the net result when you are defiled and have mending will actually be better than live.

    ie: if have Major Mending and Major Defile**
    Live: Mending +25%, Defile -30%
    Healing power % = (1+0.25)*(1-0.3)*100 = 87.5%

    PTS: Mending +16%, Defile -16%
    Healing power % = (1+0.16)*(1-0.16)*100 = 97.44%

    So its almost 10% better if you have mending and are defiled, vs 9% loss (25%-16%) if you have mending but aren't defiled.

    **Note: this is without considering the befouled CP. As that is multiplicative with the defile this actually means the difference is even greater with Befoul due to the comparatively larger reduction in defile than mending.

    If it turns out that the healing loss while not defiled is too much and causes and issue, then sure, some adjustments may be necessary. I am not saying that StamDk isn't in a bad spot, but this change may not be as bad as it seems for them.


    Edit: - Addendum
    I realise that Defile is actually specifically the counter to Vitality, not Mending, but even if we consider that as well if you have a source of vitality as well as mending the above becomes:

    Live: Vitality +30%, Mending +25%, Defile -30%
    Healing power % = (1+0.3)*(1+0.25)*(1-0.3)*100 = 113.75%

    PTS: Vitality +16%, Mending +16%, Defile -16%
    Healing power % = (1+0.16)*(1+0.16)*(1-0.16)*100 = 113.03%

    So still very close if all of these buffs/debuffs are present. (and again will actually be better on PTS if Befoul is considered). Obviously healing power in the case of having Vitality and Mending when not defiled will be significantly less though.
    Edited by ExistingRug61 on September 22, 2020 11:56PM
  • NeillMcAttack
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    Kharner wrote: »
    Stam DK's utility tool kit absolutely needs to be looked at since major mending is getting nerfed like this. Green Dragonblood will probably replace it, which will render Fragmented shield completely worthless.

    Stam DK's kit is really starting to look dated compared to other stam classes. The nerfs to wings, now frag shield have left stam dk in a really bad spot

    You left out the part where the 20% reduced healing in battle spirit hurt them the most. And forced almost all stam DK’s into heavy armor to remain competitive. Even when you build for stats on them now their self heals are sub par, after this they will be dead.
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