Update 28: monster sets included & can you create any trait or only if you collected that trait?

Elvenheart · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

And the original Mother’s Sorrow won’t go into your sticker book until you bind it to yourself by equipping it. But after you do that it’s in your sticker book forever, so the next time a Mother’s Sorrow staff drops for you you can sell that one 🙂

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.

Afaik, loot is only added to your collections on equip so group trades should work how they always have. As far as being able to pass around a set piece to group members being added to collections, that is a great question and seems an oversight if it works that way. I would think only the initial person who looted should be added only to their collections but I haven't tested in a group setting though so speculation here. I will edit this post if I end up in a group, or if someone else can clarify please do.

redspecter23 · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

I have not tested this yet, great question. I will login to PTS in a bit to test that and edit this post (or if someone can clarify this before, please do)

redspecter23 wrote: »

I was hoping for a quick clarification. For the example you provided, if you were to decon that item, you would get 4 Grain Solvent + 25 transmutes back?

Also, if you were to have reconstructed a gold Briarheart Dagger, would you get back 8 Tempering Alloy + 25 transmutes when you deconstruct it?

I updated my post above for clarification on this. It appears you do not get any mats back for green/blue items, all mats for purple items, and one mat back for gold items. I am not sure if passives/crafting levels would affect this but I am going to assume it makes no difference.

Thank you for the answers. If it works that way, then it somewhat solves the issue of reconstructing purple jewelry over and over. Gold would still be a huge investment, but if you need to replace purple jewelry, the cost would be minimal.

Elvenheart · September 2020

Has anyone noticed if this system also works for the unique named pieces of sets we can get, like Dark Staff of the War Maiden for example?

virtus753 · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.

Afaik, since loot is just added to your collections on pickup, group trades should work how they always have. As far as being able to pass around a set piece to group members being added to collections, that is a great question and seems an oversight if it works that way. I would think only the initial person who looted should be added only to their collections but I haven't tested in a group setting though so speculation here. I will edit this post if I end up in a group, or if someone else can clarify please do.

Ok, thanks. I’ll try to have a look tonight as well.

zaria · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

If you decon an item, does that add it to your collection? Or do you need to equip item to bind it to you, then take it off and decon it? For example, some stuff, like an Olorime Bow or something, will be instant decon fodder. But I might still want to add to collection to reduce transmute cost of reconstructing better Olorime gear. Do I need to equip that Olorime Bow? Or just decon it?

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

Elvenheart wrote: »

If I reconstruct a piece of dungeon gear at the gold level and then decon it again, do I get all of the materials I used back, even the gold ones?

Sort of. Let me explain.

Mats
Only the highest tier of mat we use will be returned from what I have been seeing. For example, if you make a purple quality item you will receive back 25 transmutes + purple mats. In other words, the highest quality mats used + transmutes are the only things returned. So it will cost additional lower tier mats the higher quality you go, cost/return is as such:

Cost (recon):
Green - Transmutes
Blue - Transmutes + blue mats
Purple - Transmutes + blue + purple mats
Gold - Transmutes + blue + purple + gold mats

Return (decon):
Green - Transmutes
Blue - Transmutes
Purple - Transmutes + all purple mats
Gold - Transmutes + 1 gold mat

The amount of mats required seems to still depend on the "expertise" passives on each crafting skill line like it does already when improving set pieces. So it's a good idea to have those areas maxed out to reduce cost. Recon of a green quality item does not use any mats however, only transmutes.

Transmutes
We receive 25 back in any scenario regardless. If you only have one set piece of the entire collection and spend 75 transmutes to make it then if you decon you will only get 25 back. This is why it is more rewarding and important to collect all set pieces now so it will also cost 25 to recon the item. If you have all set pieces collected, then technically the only cost would be lower tier mats under the quality you make.

Hope this helps, it will make a lot more sense once it goes live.

Here is a visual when I created a purple item, on decon I received 25 transmutes and 4 grain solvent back:

Interesting, the one gold temper is weird however.
Looks like cost goes down as more pieces you get as your cost is 65 who is nice.

And that it automatically updates on bound items is nice, however I assume that does not work on items you still can share in dungeons and trials

Elvenheart · September 2020

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.

Afaik, since loot is just added to your collections on pickup, group trades should work how they always have. As far as being able to pass around a set piece to group members being added to collections, that is a great question and seems an oversight if it works that way. I would think only the initial person who looted should be added only to their collections but I haven't tested in a group setting though so speculation here. I will edit this post if I end up in a group, or if someone else can clarify please do.

Ok, thanks. I’ll try to have a look tonight as well.

I suspect we will find out that a piece that drops in a dungeon when you are in a group and the timer that allows you to trade it with a group member is active that piece won’t be added to the sticker book until you actually equip it, making it untradable, or until the timer runs out which then makes it bound to you.

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

Elvenheart wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.

Afaik, since loot is just added to your collections on pickup, group trades should work how they always have. As far as being able to pass around a set piece to group members being added to collections, that is a great question and seems an oversight if it works that way. I would think only the initial person who looted should be added only to their collections but I haven't tested in a group setting though so speculation here. I will edit this post if I end up in a group, or if someone else can clarify please do.

Ok, thanks. I’ll try to have a look tonight as well.

I suspect we will find out that a piece that drops in a dungeon when you are in a group and the timer that allows you to trade it with a group member is active that piece won’t be added to the sticker book until you actually equip it, making it untradable, or until the timer runs out which then makes it bound to you.

I suspect this as well and hopefully we can clarify this before too long. On another note, when I first logged into PTS I noticed any bound/BoP set pieces I had were automatically added to collections while any BoE items I had did not so it definitely seems that is the case and would make even more sense in a group setting.

zaria · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.

Afaik, since loot is just added to your collections on pickup, group trades should work how they always have. As far as being able to pass around a set piece to group members being added to collections, that is a great question and seems an oversight if it works that way. I would think only the initial person who looted should be added only to their collections but I haven't tested in a group setting though so speculation here. I will edit this post if I end up in a group, or if someone else can clarify please do.

Ok, thanks. I’ll try to have a look tonight as well.

I suspect we will find out that a piece that drops in a dungeon when you are in a group and the timer that allows you to trade it with a group member is active that piece won’t be added to the sticker book until you actually equip it, making it untradable, or until the timer runs out which then makes it bound to you.

I suspect this as well and hopefully we can clarify this before too long. On another note, when I first logged into PTS I noticed any bound/BoP set pieces I had were automatically added to collections while any BoE items I had did not so it definitely seems that is the case and would make even more sense in a group setting.

Yes its just to run an dungeon to test.
Had been a but amusing it it went live. End of an guild trial run would be amusing with all handling gear around in an circle

AlnilamE · September 2020

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

No, it's only added to your collections when you bind it, since it's a Bind on Equip item.

If it were a Bind on Pickup item, like dungeon and trial sets, it would be added once it's bound to your account. I'm not sure yet how it works during the period in which you can trade items, but I think it will only bind once you can no longer trade it.

When the update hits, though, if you log through all your characters, any items they have that are already bound to your account (including stuff in your bank and storage boxes) will be added to your sticker book as you log on to each character.

josiahva · September 2020

On a practical note....it sucks you have to equip it to bind it, they should add an option to bind it without equipping it(or better yet, to bind every unlocked piece of gear in your inventory). This won't be an issue for most people...but because one of my default sets is Twice-Born-Star, and every time I unequip a set piece, I lose the 2nd Mundus and have to go reset it...so if I want to add something to my sticker book I just farmed....I then have to go reset my Mundus Stones...very inconvenient.

rnklippel · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

If you decon an item, does that add it to your collection? Or do you need to equip item to bind it to you, then take it off and decon it? For example, some stuff, like an Olorime Bow or something, will be instant decon fodder. But I might still want to add to collection to reduce transmute cost of reconstructing better Olorime gear. Do I need to equip that Olorime Bow? Or just decon it?

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

Elvenheart wrote: »

If I reconstruct a piece of dungeon gear at the gold level and then decon it again, do I get all of the materials I used back, even the gold ones?

Sort of. Let me explain.

Mats
Only the highest tier of mat we use will be returned from what I have been seeing. For example, if you make a purple quality item you will receive back 25 transmutes + purple mats. In other words, the highest quality mats used + transmutes are the only things returned. So it will cost additional lower tier mats the higher quality you go, cost/return is as such:

Cost (recon):
Green - Transmutes
Blue - Transmutes + blue mats
Purple - Transmutes + blue + purple mats
Gold - Transmutes + blue + purple + gold mats

Return (decon):
Green - Transmutes
Blue - Transmutes
Purple - Transmutes + all purple mats
Gold - Transmutes + 1 gold mat

The amount of mats required when reconstructing seems to still depend on the "expertise" passives on each crafting skill line like it does already when improving set pieces. So it's a good idea to have those areas maxed out to reduce cost. Recon of a green quality item does not use any mats however, only transmutes.

Transmutes
We receive 25 back in any scenario regardless. If you only have one set piece of the entire collection and spend 75 transmutes to make it then if you decon you will only get 25 back. This is why it is more rewarding and important to collect all set pieces now so it will also cost 25 to recon the item. If you have all set pieces collected, then technically the only cost would be lower tier mats under the quality you make.

Hope this helps, it will make a lot more sense once it goes live.

Here is a visual when I created a purple item, on decon I received 25 transmutes and 4 grain solvent back:

Regarding mats returning, this is NOT what's happening to me.

I just opened PTS again and crafted an overland ring at puprle quality. I noted down the amount of platings I had before and after.

I used: the transmute crystals, 2 iridium platings and 3 zircon platings.

When I descontructed it, I got back: the transmute crystals and 1 zircon grain!

I didn't get any of the platings back.

The same happened for weapons and armor. I didn't get the full amount of tempers I used.

So I think this system will not stop me from farming purple rings at dungeons. Even less make me deconstruct every piece of equipment I currently have stored in all my alts, chests and banks.

Princess_Sophia · September 2020

This is a really helpful thread. It answers a lot of my questions. This only applies to gear currently in your inventory is that right? Any gear you’ve deconstructed before the update won’t be able to be reconstructed?

Edaphon · September 2020

OrionPriest wrote: »

If you already have the item in your collection sticker book does it tell you on the item in your inventory before you bind it to your account?

I'm thinking about all the bind on equip overland gear. If it only goes into your collection once bound a decision will have to be made to bind it or sell it for set collectors, or swapping gear in dungeon groups.

You can see from the tooltip whether you have collected an item or not:

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

rnklippel wrote: »

Regarding mats returning, this is NOT what's happening to me.

I just opened PTS again and crafted an overland ring at puprle quality. I noted down the amount of platings I had before and after.

I used: the transmute crystals, 2 iridium platings and 3 zircon platings.

When I descontructed it, I got back: the transmute crystals and 1 zircon grain!

I didn't get any of the platings back.

The same happened for weapons and armor. I didn't get the full amount of tempers I used.

So I think this system will not stop me from farming purple rings at dungeons. Even less make me deconstruct every piece of equipment I currently have stored in all my alts, chests and banks.

Good catch. I should note I only tested decon returns on gear, not jewelry so I will update my previous posting with the info from your and my findings on this. Also, was your testing done a a max crafting level (50)? I've noticed something interesting and just tested on PTS. Decon return seems to be based somehow on crafting level. I just did a recon and decon on both purple and gold gear/jewels. One with a max level crafting toon, and the other with level 1. One thing I am not sure of is if its the actual level or the expertise passives that affect this.

I just hopped on PTS, a max crafting level returned the mats as my original testing post for GEAR, however, for JEWELRY it is exactly as you stated. So apparently GEAR, purple and above will net you refined mats whereas JEWELRY will net only 1 purple/gold unrefined mat (grains).

Gear decon seems fair but personally I feel jewelry should net a little better return...should be the same returns as gear imho. This is a bit confusing finding this out and I am not sure I understand what exactly ZoS is doing here.

@ZOS_RobGarrett any chance we could get some detail clarification here to how the recon/decon system currently works in regards to crafting levels and decon returns (gear vs jewelry), to further clarify things?

zaria · September 2020

Princess_Sophia wrote: »

This is a really helpful thread. It answers a lot of my questions. This only applies to gear currently in your inventory is that right? Any gear you’ve deconstructed before the update won’t be able to be reconstructed?

That is pretty obvious that it only affect stuff you have.
As I understand it will add gear in bank and chests to the list but you will need to log in on each character to register their gear.

However you can decon duplicates of stuff you just store because its hard to get now.
Even say duplicates of sets you will not use until the update if bad traits so you will transmute anyway.
So look at your gear, monster sets is an obvious one here.

On pc you have inventory insight who let you see all your get and will make this much easier.

And as other says keep on to golded items and purple jewelry, you are likely to save so much storage this does not matter.

virtus753 · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

rnklippel wrote: »

Regarding mats returning, this is NOT what's happening to me.

I just opened PTS again and crafted an overland ring at puprle quality. I noted down the amount of platings I had before and after.

I used: the transmute crystals, 2 iridium platings and 3 zircon platings.

When I descontructed it, I got back: the transmute crystals and 1 zircon grain!

I didn't get any of the platings back.

The same happened for weapons and armor. I didn't get the full amount of tempers I used.

So I think this system will not stop me from farming purple rings at dungeons. Even less make me deconstruct every piece of equipment I currently have stored in all my alts, chests and banks.

Good catch. I should note I only tested decon returns on gear, not jewelry so I will update my previous posting with the info from your and my findings on this. Also, was your testing done a a max crafting level (50)? I've noticed something interesting and just tested on PTS. Decon return seems to be based somehow on crafting level. I just did a recon and decon on both purple and gold gear/jewels. One with a max level crafting toon, and the other with level 1. One thing I am not sure of is if its the actual level or the expertise passives that affect this.

I just hopped on PTS, a max crafting level returned the mats as my original testing post for GEAR, however, for JEWELRY it is exactly as you stated. So apparently GEAR, purple and above will net you refined mats whereas JEWELRY will net only 1 purple/gold unrefined mat (grains).

Gear decon seems fair but personally I feel jewelry should net a little better return...should be the same returns as gear imho. This is a bit confusing finding this out and I am not sure I understand what exactly ZoS is doing here.

@ZOS_RobGarrett any chance we could get some detail clarification here to how the recon/decon system currently works in regards to crafting levels and decon returns (gear vs jewelry), to further clarify things?

Especially since in his correction on the forums here he restated that “all” used mats will be refunded other than the static 25 crystal refund. I get that we don’t get the trait or style mat, since we never put those in, but if I’m spending green and blue and purple and gold things, all of those need to be returned per Rob’s post. All means all.

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

So, I just tested this out twice on a recon piece of gear and jewelry, purple and gold. If you improve a recon set piece and later decon it you only receive the 25 transmutes back. No mats are returned in that scenario.

Edaphon · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

So, I just tested this out twice on a recon piece of gear and jewelry, purple and gold. If you improve a recon set piece and later decon it you only receive the 25 transmutes back. No mats are returned in that scenario.

I did get 1 gold mat back for a green reconstructed item that I upgraded later, but only for 1 out of 4 items.

virtus753 · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

So, I just tested this out twice on a recon piece of gear and jewelry, purple and gold. If you improve a recon set piece and later decon it you only receive the 25 transmutes back. No mats are returned in that scenario.

Thanks for the update. That sounds a little messed up. Here’s hoping it’s a major oversight rather than working as intended.

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

Edaphon wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

So, I just tested this out twice on a recon piece of gear and jewelry, purple and gold. If you improve a recon set piece and later decon it you only receive the 25 transmutes back. No mats are returned in that scenario.

I did get 1 gold mat back for a green reconstructed item that I upgraded later, but only for 1 out of 4 items.

Interesting. I had hoped testing both scenarios with purple/gold twice over would be a bit more reliable for all of us, but it appears there may be some bugs to work out in the decon area before anything is final. Work in progress for sure at this point. I am attempting to update my original post with current information as we all find out more. Thanks for the update on your end.

virtus753 wrote: »

That sounds a little messed up. Here’s hoping it’s a major oversight rather than working as intended.

Learning what @Edaphon experienced (above), it seems there indeed some oversights/bugs that still need worked out in the decon area for sure.

Edaphon · September 2020

Elvenheart wrote: »

Has anyone noticed if this system also works for the unique named pieces of sets we can get, like Dark Staff of the War Maiden for example?

Named pieces unlock the set item in the collection but you can't reconstruct them with that name, only as a generic item from that set.

rnklippel · September 2020

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

rnklippel wrote: »

Regarding mats returning, this is NOT what's happening to me.

I just opened PTS again and crafted an overland ring at puprle quality. I noted down the amount of platings I had before and after.

I used: the transmute crystals, 2 iridium platings and 3 zircon platings.

When I descontructed it, I got back: the transmute crystals and 1 zircon grain!

I didn't get any of the platings back.

The same happened for weapons and armor. I didn't get the full amount of tempers I used.

So I think this system will not stop me from farming purple rings at dungeons. Even less make me deconstruct every piece of equipment I currently have stored in all my alts, chests and banks.

Good catch. I should note I only tested decon returns on gear, not jewelry so I will update my previous posting with the info from your and my findings on this. Also, was your testing done a a max crafting level (50)? I've noticed something interesting and just tested on PTS. Decon return seems to be based somehow on crafting level. I just did a recon and decon on both purple and gold gear/jewels. One with a max level crafting toon, and the other with level 1. One thing I am not sure of is if its the actual level or the expertise passives that affect this.

I just hopped on PTS, a max crafting level returned the mats as my original testing post for GEAR, however, for JEWELRY it is exactly as you stated. So apparently GEAR, purple and above will net you refined mats whereas JEWELRY will net only 1 purple/gold unrefined mat (grains).

Gear decon seems fair but personally I feel jewelry should net a little better return...should be the same returns as gear imho. This is a bit confusing finding this out and I am not sure I understand what exactly ZoS is doing here.

@ZOS_RobGarrett any chance we could get some detail clarification here to how the recon/decon system currently works in regards to crafting levels and decon returns (gear vs jewelry), to further clarify things?

Yes, I did all tests on my master crafter, who has everything maxed out in crafting.

I did another test and reconstructed 10 Spell Power Cure gloves at purple quality. Then, when deconstructing one by one, 9 times I got one elegant lining back and 1 time I didn't get any elegant lining at all.

Before the test I had 3,796 pieces of elegant lining. This number dropped to 3,756 after reconstructing the items, and went up to 3,765 after deconstructing them.

As it seems, it works like normal deconstruction, where the 4th passive only increases the chance to extract ingredients, but doesn't guarantees a 100% rate.

In none of my tests I got more than one improvment material back. I tried with weapons, apparel, jewelry and monster sets.

There's another post discussing this: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546518/deconstructing-reconstructed-items-does-not-return-all-upgrade-mats

scorpius2k1 · September 2020

rnklippel wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

rnklippel wrote: »

Regarding mats returning, this is NOT what's happening to me.

I just opened PTS again and crafted an overland ring at puprle quality. I noted down the amount of platings I had before and after.

I used: the transmute crystals, 2 iridium platings and 3 zircon platings.

When I descontructed it, I got back: the transmute crystals and 1 zircon grain!

I didn't get any of the platings back.

The same happened for weapons and armor. I didn't get the full amount of tempers I used.

So I think this system will not stop me from farming purple rings at dungeons. Even less make me deconstruct every piece of equipment I currently have stored in all my alts, chests and banks.

Good catch. I should note I only tested decon returns on gear, not jewelry so I will update my previous posting with the info from your and my findings on this. Also, was your testing done a a max crafting level (50)? I've noticed something interesting and just tested on PTS. Decon return seems to be based somehow on crafting level. I just did a recon and decon on both purple and gold gear/jewels. One with a max level crafting toon, and the other with level 1. One thing I am not sure of is if its the actual level or the expertise passives that affect this.

I just hopped on PTS, a max crafting level returned the mats as my original testing post for GEAR, however, for JEWELRY it is exactly as you stated. So apparently GEAR, purple and above will net you refined mats whereas JEWELRY will net only 1 purple/gold unrefined mat (grains).

Gear decon seems fair but personally I feel jewelry should net a little better return...should be the same returns as gear imho. This is a bit confusing finding this out and I am not sure I understand what exactly ZoS is doing here.

@ZOS_RobGarrett any chance we could get some detail clarification here to how the recon/decon system currently works in regards to crafting levels and decon returns (gear vs jewelry), to further clarify things?

Yes, I did all tests on my master crafter, who has everything maxed out in crafting.

I did another test and reconstructed 10 Spell Power Cure gloves at purple quality. Then, when deconstructing one by one, 9 times I got one elegant lining back and 1 time I didn't get any elegant lining at all.

Before the test I had 3,796 pieces of elegant lining. This number dropped to 3,756 after reconstructing the items, and went up to 3,765 after deconstructing them.

As it seems, it works like normal deconstruction, where the 4th passive only increases the chance to extract ingredients, but doesn't guarantees a 100% rate.

In none of my tests I got more than one improvment material back. I tried with weapons, apparel, jewelry and monster sets.

There's another post discussing this: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546518/deconstructing-reconstructed-items-does-not-return-all-upgrade-mats

Thanks for the update. There are definitely some varying results (oversights/bugs) going on with the decon return on mats area of reconstruction items. We all should be seeing the same results but that is currently not the case. Hopefully ZoS will address this before it goes live.

@ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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Kosef · September 2020

so if I have a full set of mother's sorrow staff/jewels already equipped it will be auto added to the collection right? I don't have to collect BoE stuff again, then equip it for it to go to my collection?

rnklippel · September 2020

Kosef wrote: »

so if I have a full set of mother's sorrow staff/jewels already equipped it will be auto added to the collection right? I don't have to collect BoE stuff again, then equip it for it to go to my collection?

Yes, it will. Note, however, that if you want the cost of reconstructing these items to go all the way down to 25 transmute cyrstals, you will have to also get a mother's sorrow axe, sword, dagger, mace, maul, greatsword, battle axe, bow, hat, epaulet... if you don't have any of this yet.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2020

Not going to lie, the hoarder in me is super excited about this. I am finally going to delete so much crap. haha

AlnilamE · September 2020

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Not going to lie, the hoarder in me is super excited about this. I am finally going to delete so much crap. haha

Me too!

(But then also collect all these random sets to complete collections BECAUSE I CAN!!!)

Gwahiir · September 2020

For those that have tested the new system, with monster sets can you only recreate those in the armor type you first discovered it in?

rnklippel · September 2020

Gwahiir wrote: »

For those that have tested the new system, with monster sets can you only recreate those in the armor type you first discovered it in?

Everything that has a different name has a different entry in the collection. So for monster sets you have 6 items: helm, mask, guise, pauldron, arm cops and epaulets.

The same is valid for sets that can be found in different weights, such as battleground and hew's bane sets, so you will have to collect Bahara's Curse sash, belt and girdle, for example.