Update 28: monster sets included & can you create any trait or only if you collected that trait?

daemondamian

Just wanted to know as I haven't seen it said directly anywhere: are monster sets included along with dungeon/trial sets as part of the new collectable set item creation system

and

do you have to have collected say an infused Medusa Lightning staff to create one or can you do it if you have only collected a Medusa lightning staff with say the precise trait?

Iselin

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

daemondamian

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

Thanks for the reply & info

This means I can finally spend more time on quests that I haven't done rather than grinding dungeons for specific duplicates of sets/items I already have that I need, which is what I've mostly been doing for a while now (aside from event activities) as I have 13 characters! lol

Iselin

daemondamian wrote: »

... grinding dungeons for specific duplicates of sets/items I already have that I need, which is what I've mostly been doing for a while now...

Same lol.

They also keep tweaking and changing the sets and I've deconned many that were not all that good only to need to re-grind them later when they get buffed and I want to use them.

Everstorm

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

Edaphon

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

WhyMustItBe

I'm curious though, how does this work for sets like monster sets where they can drop in Light, Medium, or Heavy? If you learn one, can you reconstitute not only in any trait you want, but in any armor type you want? Or do you need to collect a Light, Medium, and Heavy version of each? Would this be considered the equivalent of collecting a complete set for these which don't have the full range of body pieces and weapons?

EDIT: Saw above pic after I posted. It looks like you need to collect one of each weight.

Nairinhe

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

Mythics too! What about item quality? We cannot craft items in mythic quality and they cannot be of a lower one.

Edaphon

Nairinhe wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

Mythics too! What about item quality? We cannot craft items in mythic quality and they cannot be of a lower one.

You only need transmute crystals for them, nothing else:

Kosef

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

according to this picture that is a mythic ring that can be reconstructed....correct? So am I to believe that I can just recon rings of the wild hunt for all my alts and not have to scry again??

Edaphon

Kosef wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

according to this picture that is a mythic ring that can be reconstructed....correct? So am I to believe that I can just recon rings of the wild hunt for all my alts and not have to scry again??

Yes, you can make as many as you want for your alts.

Mythic items are always level 50 though, so you can't use them on low level characters. Same with monster sets and arena weapons.

zaria

Who quality is gear recreated in?
Monster sets are purple as they only drop in purple.
Will this result in dungeon and trial set drop as blue outside of perfect gear? And overland in green.

Still this is just real problem for purple jewelry and goldened gear.
You will also loose custom enchants

Nairinhe

Edaphon wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

Mythics too! What about item quality? We cannot craft items in mythic quality and they cannot be of a lower one.

You only need transmute crystals for them, nothing else:

Interesting, thanks a lot!

UntilValhalla13

Kosef wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

according to this picture that is a mythic ring that can be reconstructed....correct? So am I to believe that I can just recon rings of the wild hunt for all my alts and not have to scry again??

That was something I was curious about as well. If I purposely deconned, for example, a maelstrom inferno, can i resummon more than one, over and over to put one each on all of my mag characters?

scorpius2k1

daemondamian wrote: »

Just wanted to know as I haven't seen it said directly anywhere: are monster sets included along with dungeon/trial sets as part of the new collectable set item creation system

and

do you have to have collected say an infused Medusa Lightning staff to create one or can you do it if you have only collected a Medusa lightning staff with say the precise trait?

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

Kosef wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Yes monster sets are included and no you can collect any medusa lightning staff and reconstitute it in whatever trait your crafter knows.

But do sets like monster sets that only have a small number of individual pieces get less total reduction in transmute stones needed to reconstruct?

All sets go down to 25 crystals per piece if you have completed them, including monster sets and 1-item-sets.

according to this picture that is a mythic ring that can be reconstructed....correct? So am I to believe that I can just recon rings of the wild hunt for all my alts and not have to scry again??

That was something I was curious about as well. If I purposely deconned, for example, a maelstrom inferno, can i resummon more than one, over and over to put one each on all of my mag characters?

Yes. I was testing this new system out on PTS yesterday wondering the same thing. You can create as many pieces as you want once you have any set piece collected. It basically works the same way as you would make a craftable set piece now, except you do it all at a transmute station. All it takes is transmutes (25-75 depending on how many set pieces total you have) and as far as I could tell you only have to have the desired trait researched first. Then of course the mat desired for the item quality (green, blue, purple, gold). That's it. Basically, this means no more insane and repetitive grinds for alts or if you just want an extra set piece. All recon set pieces are BoP and cannot be sold though.

As an example I crafted two Medusa Inferno staffs, one Precise and the other Infused. I also crafted a trial jewelry set (False God's Devotion). Took me less than a minute. I should also note, that all set pieces created are bound so you can easily bank and share between any of your toons.

We can create any overland, dungeon, arena, trial, and mythic sets this exact same way. Afaik, we should also be able to decon and recon a set piece if we initially loot an undesired trait (at the cost of transmutes and mats). Also, getting transmutes and mats back when we decon a recon set piece is amazing and offers a ton of flexibility with all the item set change/needs happening constantly. Should help that frustration a lot. This is a major and quite literal game changer to how we perceive and use gear in ESO, it certainly makes the time spent attaining a piece of gear worthwhile now. It will drastically reduce grind fatigue, etc, especially since this feature is account-wide. The 5x increase in transmute capacity puts the icing on top.

Imho, excellent and well thought out ZoS! This was a phenomenal and positive and major change to QoL and will certainly make ESO a lot more enjoyable. This will really help to enjoy focusing on several areas of content instead of one. Thank you!


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OrionPriest

If you already have the item in your collection sticker book does it tell you on the item in your inventory before you bind it to your account?

I'm thinking about all the bind on equip overland gear. If it only goes into your collection once bound a decision will have to be made to bind it or sell it for set collectors, or swapping gear in dungeon groups.

Donny_Vito

Not completely sure how I feel about all of this, though it'll take some time (when it goes live) to really make an honest opinion. I'm excited that I don't need alts to just store old set items and it'll free up my banker/chests, but I'm also concerned that farming, and the amount of people it brings to the Dungeon Finders, might be reduced... we'll see though.

scorpius2k1

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Not completely sure how I feel about all of this, though it'll take some time (when it goes live) to really make an honest opinion. I'm excited that I don't need alts to just store old set items and it'll free up my banker/chests, but I'm also concerned that farming, and the amount of people it brings to the Dungeon Finders, might be reduced... we'll see though.

Yeah, I have thought the same. It is indeed a massive change to the game. There will surely be some reduction in that area as well as gold sales (over time). Somehow though, I feel like it wont be as detrimental compared to being a positive change overall. Pros seem to far outweigh the cons imho. I definitely agree though, we will have to see -- especially after the first 2-3 months go by and this new system settles in further.

Elvenheart

If I reconstruct a piece of dungeon gear at the gold level and then decon it again, do I get all of the materials I used back, even the gold ones?

Dagoth_Rac

If you decon an item, does that add it to your collection? Or do you need to equip item to bind it to you, then take it off and decon it? For example, some stuff, like an Olorime Bow or something, will be instant decon fodder. But I might still want to add to collection to reduce transmute cost of reconstructing better Olorime gear. Do I need to equip that Olorime Bow? Or just decon it?

Elvenheart

Any item that is bound to you except crafted gear goes into the sticker book. You don’t have to decon something for it to go into the sticker book.

zaria

OrionPriest wrote: »

If you already have the item in your collection sticker book does it tell you on the item in your inventory before you bind it to your account?

I'm thinking about all the bind on equip overland gear. If it only goes into your collection once bound a decision will have to be made to bind it or sell it for set collectors, or swapping gear in dungeon groups.

As I seen on screenshots this shows up on item as collected.
If not you have to equip it. Assume this is also true for bind on pickup stuff in dungeons and trials simply because you might be logged out then the swap time expires and don't think they bother with other stuff like trial rewards and maelstrom gear.

However I hope the system is smart enough to add you all your stored bound items then this update releases so we don't have to equip everything

Hint transmute stations will probably sell well.

LanteanPegasus

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Not completely sure how I feel about all of this, though it'll take some time (when it goes live) to really make an honest opinion. I'm excited that I don't need alts to just store old set items and it'll free up my banker/chests, but I'm also concerned that farming, and the amount of people it brings to the Dungeon Finders, might be reduced... we'll see though.

On the other hand - people that are farming often are the ones ruining the dungeon experience for players who actually want to play the dungeon. Because they are running it for the umpteenth time, just there to get to that last boss (or whatever) to have it drop item x, not waiting for groups, not caring about newbies or questers or whatnots. (Which is understandable in a way, because they don't really want to play that thing, they just want that darn Piece X , maybe even in weight Y, to drop already, and have to go through the repeats to get it.)
So it might happen that people have to wait a little longer for their dungeon, but in the end they'll have a better chance to be grouped with someone who's also there to actually play through it, not just to quickly storm through to farm.

I have to say - this probably was the biggest, coolest news of the whole stream for me!
No more hoarding set stuff (freeee inventory), better chance to meet people in dungeons who actually want to be there, meaningful use for my characters perfect crafting abilities, and ZOS can continue on their path of changing and tweaking sets over time to achieve whatever game balance they deem necessary without people having to despair about re-grinding stuff every few months!! Sounds perfect!

Donny_Vito

Hint transmute stations will probably sell well.

Yes, and now is a good time to bring all those alts into PvP for some 50 count stones.

scorpius2k1

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

If you decon an item, does that add it to your collection? Or do you need to equip item to bind it to you, then take it off and decon it? For example, some stuff, like an Olorime Bow or something, will be instant decon fodder. But I might still want to add to collection to reduce transmute cost of reconstructing better Olorime gear. Do I need to equip that Olorime Bow? Or just decon it?

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

Elvenheart wrote: »

If I reconstruct a piece of dungeon gear at the gold level and then decon it again, do I get all of the materials I used back, even the gold ones?

Sort of. Let me explain.

Below is a WiP and I will try to keep it updated as more info is found out
EDIT: Updated September 22, 2:44PM EST

Mats
Only purple mats are fully returned, while gold mats only 1 is returned. For example, if you make a purple quality item you will receive back 25 transmutes + purple mats. In other words, the highest quality mats used + transmutes are the only things that will net a return on decon. So it will always cost additional lower tier mats the higher quality you go, cost/return is as such:

Cost (recon):
Green - Transmutes
Blue - Transmutes + blue mats
Purple - Transmutes + blue + purple mats
Gold - Transmutes + blue + purple + gold mats

GEAR Return (decon):
Green - 25 Transmutes
Blue - 25 Transmutes
Purple - 25 Transmutes + all purple mats
Gold - 25 Transmutes + 1 REFINED gold mat

JEWELRY Return (decon):
Green - 25 Transmutes
Blue - 25 Transmutes
Purple - 25 Transmutes + 1 UNREFINED gold mat (zircon grain) -> Possible oversight/bug?
Gold - 25 Transmutes + 1 UNREFINED gold mat (chromium grain) -> Possible oversight/bug?

The amount of mats required when reconstructing seems to possibly depend on the "expertise" passives on each crafting skill line ? like it does already when improving set pieces. So it's a good idea to have those areas maxed out to reduce cost. Recon of a green quality item does not use any mats however, only transmutes.

*If you improve a recon set piece and later decon it you only receive the 25 transmutes back. No mats are returned in that scenario. Some users however have reported that sometimes mats are returned and other times they are not. There seems to be some bugs that need worked out in this area.

*Equipping uniquely named pieces unlock the set item in the collection, you can't reconstruct them with that same name but only as a base item name from that set. Functionally they are exact the same regardless, it is only the name that would differ on recon. i.e. "Dark Staff of the War Maiden" looted => "War Maiden's Staff" reconstructed.

Transmutes
We receive 25 back in any scenario regardless. If you only have one set piece of the entire collection and spend 75 transmutes to make it then if you decon you will only get 25 back. This is why it is more rewarding and important to collect all set pieces now so it will also cost 25 to recon the item. If you have all set pieces collected, then technically the only cost would be lower tier mats under the quality you make.

Hope this helps, it will make a lot more sense once it goes live.

What you get back as far as mats are concerned depends on item quality (see return/decon above). Here is a visual when reconstructing a purple item, on decon we receive 25 transmutes and 4 grain solvent back.



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Elvenheart

So, assuming I have all the pieces of a set in my sticker book, if I reconstruct pieces of armor at the gold level, then decide I would rather have another set, I can decon the gold pieces and get all of the gold mats back, but just lose any blue/purple mats that were used? I have commitment issues, so the only items I have ever golded are weapons due to the cost of gold materials. If I get enough gold materials to make a complete set of armor, then decide I want to switch to another set, it sounds like I can finally do that without losing any gold mats if I’m understanding this correctly.

OrionPriest

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

redspecter23

@scorpius2k1 I was hoping for a quick clarification. For the example you provided, if you were to decon that item, you would get 4 Grain Solvent + 25 transmutes back?

Also, if you were to have reconstructed a gold Briarheart Dagger, would you get back 8 Tempering Alloy + 25 transmutes when you deconstruct it?

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

scorpius2k1

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

scorpius2k1

redspecter23 wrote: »

Last question. If you reconstruct a purple Briarheart Dagger, then upgrade it to gold at a later point, what would you get when you deconstruct it later?

I have not tested this yet, great question. I will login to PTS in a bit to test that and edit this post (or if someone can clarify this before, please do)

redspecter23 wrote: »

I was hoping for a quick clarification. For the example you provided, if you were to decon that item, you would get 4 Grain Solvent + 25 transmutes back?

Also, if you were to have reconstructed a gold Briarheart Dagger, would you get back 8 Tempering Alloy + 25 transmutes when you deconstruct it?

I updated my post above for clarification on this. It appears you do not get any mats back for green/blue items, all mats for purple items, and one mat back for gold items. I am not sure if passives/crafting levels would affect this but I am going to assume it makes no difference.

virtus753

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

OrionPriest wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

It is automatically added to your collections. Once you loot it, its there before you even decon. You can reconstruct another piece without a decon at all in whatever trait and quality you want as long as you have the trait researched and the mats available. You don't have to equip before decon either. It's a very efficient and automated system that just lets you worry about your gear as you need it.

So in theory I could get a Mother Sorrow inferno staff drop, it would auto add to my collections then I could sell the dropped staff without it ever equipping it and therefore binding it to my account? Then just make my own?

It is different from looting a BoE item. All recon items are account bound (BoP), so no you cannot sell them.

Don’t you have to equip newly looted dungeons/trials BoP gear if you want to add it to your collections sooner than the timer runs out? Otherwise you could just pass it around the group so everyone gets it added. Or does it in fact work that way?

It gets added on bind, regardless of BoE or BoP or whether you decon it, as far as they said on stream. Did they misspeak? I haven’t had a chance to test it myself.