If they want it to be moe fun, give us more things to do (debuffs/buffs to apply).

If u r asking how to encourage tanks for the dungeon finder then the solution is simple.

LEARN THE DPS HOW TO DEAL DMG! Not those "i spam only la cause this is my style" dudes.

tell dps to stop acting like they arent squishy and that they do need a tank!
then the role will be fun again.
NOT fun when dps runs ahead screaming follow me and then wonders why they died...... (actually, when that happens it is kinda fun, so nvm!)

Its easy, just introduce a multiple spec mechanic. I love tanking PvE content, but if Im specced as a tank I cant enjoy questing and PvPing, so I kinda get excluded from 2/3 of the content.

My tank is always busy. Apply buffs and debuffs, positioning, maintaining aggro, grouping, not dying, blocking (inspite of block mechanic still being broken) etc...

The only change that would feel kinda fun is i would like to feel some kind of weight on my tank. Like if i hold block i can walk into and push lesser enemies around. Sort of bully adds into a corner or into fire or off a ledge etc...it aint much, but its the little things.

You can make tanking fun, you don’t have to be a bog standard Nord Dragonknight to be an effective tank.
I’m by no means a tank main, but I have an Orc Nightblade tank that I run dungeons with on occasion and I gotta say it’s quite a proactive role in comparison to the others. Very damage orientated too if you’re comfortable running medium and know your way around the content.

I don't tank in this game because I don't like the lack of control tanks have over mobs.
No AOE taunt, no way to grab threat on mobs because your damage is trash and you have no threat multiplier...

Most of the fun tanking in other games is mob control, ESO has none of that.

Tanks in this game just survive, buff-debuff, and hold one or two targets.

Give me a way to control mobs as a tank and you got me tanking, in the meantime I'm only going to really tank when forced to.

I feel like doing damage is important too, even if it's minimum. Adding sets to help with that would make people feel better, like everytime you hold block you applies an aura that damages and buffs, with a minor buff or a debuff to the enemy. Because everyone like to hit stuff.

Xynode has a necro tank build that not only do his job of being a tank, but he is using colossus every 30 seconds! His build is made around ult generation for the colossus and for the AOE ressurection.

Being a meatshield is boring! Damage is the away to go for increasing the tank popularity in 4 man content and solo content. A tank doing 15k damage to a boss is more than enough. Adding more health scaling habilities that deals dmg like the warden aoe root, would help too. (I rly feel good using this skill and seeing that the numbers rly matter in the total dps)

Also AOE taunt is rly necessary, with the rework that the ice stuff will have, ZOS could leave single target taunts to weapons skill tree and the undaunted skill being an aoe taunt, or add an aoe taunt option in the sword and shield, like the shield bash skill.

idk wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Tanking in ESO is mostly fine as it is.
Based on the OP, I presume this is mostly (primarily?) about random groups.

If there's any way to "improve tanking in randoms, the best approach would be to do something about how bad the average random group is.
Some training/certification quests for each of the roles would go a long way to make sure the players are at least minimally prepared to play their chosen role.

It also does not help how huge the rift between the best and worst (or even between best and average) DPS is. That is certainly one area that could significantly benefit from ZOS' much touted drive towards "raising the floor".

I agree that the issue is more who OP runs with and running with random GF groups can be a drag. It is also likely due to the content they run. The more challenging the content the more active the tank needs to be. Tanking a real fight is more than just standing there taunting and blocking.

I didnt express myself very well but the intentions i had to do this post were to think in better aways to increase the tank population that is rly low. That's not something every MMO has, that's a game design issue.

Tanks == Block bot
Tanks == Vigilant Interrupt bot
Tanks == Forced buff/debuff bot
Tanks == Dmage sponges to ovrly squishy glass cannons.
Tanks == No damage potential

Game mechanics alone may challenge veteran tanks, however, once learned than the cerebral challenge becomes dull and demoted into one of the above player controlled bots. It was a bad decision to split classes into trinity roles, away from their original designs.

Current state of the game: Gear and non-class skills defines the tank role, any class can don sturdy heavy armor, attributes into health, slot s/b or undaunted taunt and be the "tank."

Its the trial group composition and gear meta builds that do more harm than good for the tank gameplay fun. The only engagement tanks play against are boss game mechanics, to the extent you simply soak or avoid/skip some and hold the boss aggro for the fragile DPS character builds.

Most games suffering from power creep, as severe as ESO, turns overpowering damage into the best defensive skill of the game: one-two shot mobs, deal out so much damage the NPC attack matrix fails to execute attacks due to the rapid kill rate in the game. This offense, is the best defense, the main reason why tanks are not often needed and why its a no damage potential tank is lackluster in casual. Read all the PVP posts that demand fast decisive dynamic combat than look at PVP tank builds outside boss fights. Whats the fun there? Tanks are shelfed characters for one specific purpose that excludes regular gameplay besides gaining the meta build skill choices.

The horrible adversary to improving attrition in the current dynamic combat climate of the game is the PVP side; you can't improve the PVE without really impacting the PVP side; hence, one reason why they should have never tampered with the classes to satisfy the trinity roles in one class. Moving into game mechanics, as a solution, would also be poor choice too. The original decision on how they implanted classes on launch choked their future design choices. Maybe that will change.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

@Kardrik You CAN actually AoE taunt if you use the Tormentor set from Banished Cells and Lotus Fan from Nightblade, Werewolf Pounce (WW tank!), Sorcerer Streak (probably not ideal but it will work) or even Dragonknight Leap. Nightblade is the most viable, of course, and it makes for a fun alternative to the standard S&B skills.

I'm doubtful about Streak and Lotus Fan certainly did not work the last time I tested it on PTS. Lotus fan is a tingle target ability first, THEN it bleeds enemies nearby with magic damage. I would have definitely wanted to try this on my NB tank years ago but that requires the first strike of Lotus Fan to be AOE.