XiokroDarc wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

As someone who plays the game a lot, I don't think I need to pay more than I do currently because someone who plays less wants to pay less than they do at the moment.

And you wouldnt, cause the monthly subscription would still be there.

I wouldn't be so sure of this. Outside of industries that are either regulated or provide necessities, most companies that do subscriptions dont offer different styles of subscription options.

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure of this. Outside of industries that are either regulated or provide necessities, most companies that do subscriptions dont offer different styles of subscription options.

Its not common =/= its not possible, I legit would like an example of this subscription method that was tried before and failed miserably. Cause Ive personally never seen it. But I may be wrong.

not even just the quitters, there’s plenty of people who keep up their eso+ but only log on to run a weekLy trial with their prog/hardcore group, they would lose plenty of money from people paying monthly now not needing to.

Tandor wrote: »

I see it as just an attempt to get all the benefits of the subscription without wanting to pay it. I get that some people can't play as much as others, and that should certainly be a factor in their decision over whether or not to subscribe. However, this is an enormously complex proposal for both players and developers alike, just so that someone who only plays a few hours here and there can have a crafting bag when they do play.

Boy once i update eso youre gonna feel silly

Tandor wrote: »

just so that someone who only plays a few hours here and there can have a crafting bag when they do play.

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

XiokroDarc wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I see it as just an attempt to get all the benefits of the subscription without wanting to pay it. I get that some people can't play as much as others, and that should certainly be a factor in their decision over whether or not to subscribe. However, this is an enormously complex proposal for both players and developers alike, just so that someone who only plays a few hours here and there can have a crafting bag when they do play.

Boy once i update eso youre gonna feel silly

Yeah, not gonna hold my breath waiting for that

It aint much but it's honest work, and my cp would be higher if i actually played a toon past level 50 more often
https://imgur.com/a/zYBkP40

Tandor wrote: »

Be sure to let us know when that happens.

Im sorry im not the hip hop 18 hours a day grind vMoL with the guild kinda guy. But I do play the game quite a bit and actually DO have eso+ so why being an ass

Nothing to see here guys, it's one of those threads where the OP provides getting on for half the posts and rejects anyone who takes a different view to him, despite his idea being roundly rejected in the poll.

XiokroDarc wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

XiokroDarc wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Of course you should pay the same.. You pay for a service, and the decide for yourself how much you use it.. I pay the same for a car as everyone else, I pay the same taxes, and so on.. It's how the world works in that regard.. if you "hardly play" then eso+ might not be something you need after all

"Hardly play" cause eso without eso+ is a pain in the ass. So keeping interest in the game is hard, and many casuals wont buy eso+ cause the subscription would run out before any use was put into it. And Yes they do pay for the service, infact they would be paying more for eso+ than the monthly subscription would provide. So where is the downside?

Many casuals wont pay, fair enough.. then the game is not interesting enough for them.. How about all the regular payers who's gonna quit when you double the price on them?

XiokroDarc wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

As someone who plays the game a lot, I don't think I need to pay more than I do currently because someone who plays less wants to pay less than they do at the moment.

And you wouldnt, cause the monthly subscription would still be there.

At double the rate for those of us playing more than you do

Yes but you PLAY more, therefore actually use ESO+ more often, and youre whole taxes and car payments dont make a good point, cause taxes (the amount you get taxed) are based on how much you EARN not the length of year, and the insurance is also dependent from person to person. So idk what you were trying to make with that point.

listen. I pay for netflix subscription. I use it only on weekends. someone else pays the same subscription price. they use it every day. and you know what? THIS IS FINE. because I COULD watch more and it wouldn't cost ME more.

the problem with your suggestion is that its going to screw over majority of the players who play consistently. its the microtransaction model vs flat fee model. the only people benefiting are going to be a few players who play sporadically. ZoS maybe, assuming they do not lose a bulk of their playerbase to increased cost/dumping subscription all together. for most of us - it is a downgrade and loss of flexibility.

Linaleah wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

XiokroDarc wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Well, you pretty much started out being an ass, wanting us to pay double I play maybe 6-8 hours a day on a good week, so I feel that I get plenty of time..

How would you be paying double when like said it would be an optional model.

Was not OPTIONAL, when I started going after you for it

this. OP didn't start talking about it being added as a subscription option until last few posts and honestly? if ZoS is ever going to start selling subscription by the hour, its not going to be $15 for 2 weeks, its going to be something like $1 an hour.

The sad thing is, it'd almost have to be something like $1 an hour (or more) in order to deter or milk the sort of players who would only buy it when they just want to clear their inventory into the crafting bag, double decorate their houses, and dye their costumes.

We'd probably also see more grinds to soak up that in-game time. Plus, its not really conducive to fun for players to be putting such an obvious monetary cost on their playtime.
"I spent 30 minutes hunting in guild stores for this one item!"
"I spent 45 minutes in queue as a DPS!"

Those things get even more annoying when you literally make Time=Money extra obvious to the player.

XiokroDarc wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure of this. Outside of industries that are either regulated or provide necessities, most companies that do subscriptions dont offer different styles of subscription options.

Its not common =/= its not possible, I legit would like an example of this subscription method that was tried before and failed miserably. Cause Ive personally never seen it. But I may be wrong.

I never said that it was impossible or that they can't do it. ZOS (as long as it doesn't violate consumer protection laws and regulations) can do what it wants. My point is that companies don't do it unless they have to. there are inherent issues with a pay by the hour system, There are plenty of examples of pay for time games in the market with varying success. the first one was a Neverwinter nights Online game back in 1991 i think where AOL started by charging $6 or $8. Since then the model has been used again but it has evolved and what you see today are FTP games that time lock in game events and items behind micro transaction pay walls.

You have to consider a few things here. First, is that anytime that the player base asks ZOS to do something and there is LARGE support for it, ZOS will get around to addressing it, but when they do its not exactly what the players wanted. (Examples: End game Content to Vet Levels to CP System, Account Wide Skyshards/Skill lines to Crown Store shards and skill lines, The copious complaints about combat balancing to the mess we are in now, etc)

Secondly, as mentioned above IF ZOS moved to an hourly sub service like you want AND considering my first examples what you will likely get is a FTP model MMO where additional content is locked behind paywalls instead of subs. because that is where the pay as you go model has gone.

OR ZOS will just address the storage issue, which is what you are getting in the next update because ZOS is changing how non crafted gear is stored.

This is the only way I'd consider buying ESO+ on more than extremely rare occasions. As it is I've subscribed for a total of 7 months over about 5.5 years, usually either because I wanted to dye costumes and didn't want to wait for a free trial or because at the time it was the cheapest way to buy the amount of crowns I wanted.

My time is just too erratic to spend money on a subscription where the time I paid for is used up even if I'm not actually using it. It's generally impossible for me to know at the start of a month (or any 30 day period) how long I'll have to play so I can easily end up paying for subscription time I never get to use, and it's just not worth doing that. (Yes I know it's not expensive, but I don't want to waste any amount of money paying for something I'm never going to use.) I try to time it when I know I'll be able to use it for at least a week or so (meaning about 14-18 hours spread over 7 days), make sure I do whatever it is I wanted to do and then write off the rest of the time. It would be much more worthwhile for me if the time I paid for was available as and when I get to use it, instead of when ZOS expect me to use it.

If it did happen I absolutely think it should be in addition to the current option, and yes it should be priced so if you are playing a lot in one month it's cheaper to use the existing option. But it would also be an effective way to get me to subscribe far more often than I do now.

This would have people who play a lot unsubscribing and those who play little subscribing and ZOS would end up losing money on the deal.

Tandor wrote: »

This whole idea is based on the concept of allowing those who barely commit to the game to pay less, while expecting those who commit wholeheartedly to the game to pay more. As such it would be a community relations and commercial disaster, and the optional nature of it wasn't part of the original proposal and would over-complicate things implementation-wise.

It's a throwback to the early days of the internet before broadband when we dialed up on our phones to play MUDs which in my case charged 50 pence an hour on top of which the phone connection cost another 50 pence an hour. I spent a fortune playing those games for 20-30 hours per week!

Ik i said i wouldnt respond again, but very last post. What if we remove the craftbag addition, and only allow zone and dlc content. So they can still experience the dlc but you cant have the craftbag option. Believe what you want if you think I never thought of it as optional (even though i added it to the original post after the first comment because i forgot to mention it), Tbh when making the post I didnt think of the effects of the craftbag cause i mainly used eso+ for doing zones. The entire post wasnt about making it cheaper for people, but rather have people be able to try out the new content before switching over entirely. The craftbag wasnt really the focus of my post, but as I can see that this WILL cause and issue. I removed it from the original post as well