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Belgium and lootbox ban....
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I know I'm probably alone in this, but I feel sorry for Belgium on that part
Yes, it's considered gambling, but NO government of ANY country should decide what people spend their OWN money on.
And if someone has a problem with buying too many? (I'm close to that point, because I LOVE crown crates) then there are ways they can be helped, and I guess the reason Belgium has decided to ban them, is to help those with problem gambling But punishing/denying EVERYBODY really is nothing but 4th grade teacher mentality.
So a country shouldn't outlaw buying "substances"?1 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »I choose not to buy crates but prefer that the choice be mine; not that of politicians who think they are smarter than those they represent.
I agree. The reason I don't like the idea of this is because it is taking the decision out of my hands.
People want choice but this... This is not choice. It's the opposite.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!2 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Grandchamp1989 wrote: »Personly I hope they get banned everywhere as it's basicly gambling.
That way people can specificly buy the item they want/need from the crown store if they wish to do so.
Nobody has ever said it isn't gambling. It's 100% gambling which is why you get warning messages about it. There still is nothing wrong with them. If you can't control yourself from spending money on them don't play the game.0 -
tomofhyrule✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The big problem here is the fact that Belgian players are now incapable of getting anything from the crates.
Yes, I think lootboxes are a terrible mechanic. Yes, I don't think gambling is something that should be encouraged. Yes, I would rather be able to just buy everything outright...
...but ZOS has decided that the Belgian fanbase is small enough that just removing the possibility of getting certain items is an acceptable loss.
This is a caution I've seen people throw out before, and they were ignored since 'it's not a good business practice:'
Lootboxes being banned does not mean that they'll just start offering everything for crowns directly, as much as we want it to.
And yet, that's exactly what happened. The only way that it'll start making it so everything is available for individual pruchase is if a lot more countries ban these mechanics. Don't forget also that all game companies (not just ZOS) know that lootboxes are profitable, and are getting high-priced lawyers to find out how best to skate around the issue (there's a reason nobody calls it lootboxes - it's 'surprise mechanics'), so it's likely that this could be tied up in legislation for years, all the time which some people aren't able to get certain things (even if it's something like the 16-gem body marking that they want).
If we want lootboxes to truly go away, then a lot of countries (and the ones that have high playerbases) need to pass the same laws, making it unprofitable to just not sell stuff to certain players. But yes, that does get into the personal freedom vs. government control argument, which is a hot political button. Until then, though...we're going to have lootboxes and Belgian players have to VPN somewhere if they want to get any crate items, since they're barred from it at home.
Now ZOS could go and offer more things for crowns instead of hiding everything in crates... but they evidently have data showing that that doesn't bring as much of a profit, so...0 -
Scion_of_Yggdrasil✭✭✭✭✭[snip]
First of all OP, what the actual.... why are you asking to buy them??? Why not ask ZOS to offer these items for direct purchase in Belgium??? If you want the items contained within loot boxes, ask for the items, not for another way to be taken advantage of.
I am very jealous. Your country has made a bold, necessary step towards improving not just the gaming industry, but marketing as well. Now other countries need to catch on.
I cannot believe people will now try and paint Belgium/government as the bad guy.... meanwhile, loot crates have been taking advantage of players/customers for how long now? And we are okay with it???
[snip] Asking for a variant, or alternative, to loot crates, heck, even a work around in this case..... That is like asking for a different sickness, instead of asking for the medicine.
This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
[Edited to remove Bashing and Discussing Disciplinary Actions]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 18, 2020 2:20PM6 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭Best to wait and see if the United States does anything like that because then they will have to act but at the moment I would assume they would make too much money in America to stop it.0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »[snip]
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 18, 2020 2:20PM3 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
As opposed to the companies directly profiting from it!? You realize these companies pay psychologists to find the most addictive gameplay loops and find ways keep people at the screen. To keep people logging in “daily”! They are not your friend.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.7 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
This has always been done, it just varies in extent. Minimum wage laws, universal healthcare laws, environmental protection laws, mandatory safety system laws (think helmets, seatbelts, airbags, lift/escalator inspections, etc), are (also) about ethics and morals.
When it's been demonstrated beyond any doubt that behind in-game monetisation practices are manipulative schemes perfected by the industry for maximum return from a mostly unaware public, you're dang right I'd like the government to intervene.6 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NeillMcAttack wrote: »Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
.
.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
As opposed to the companies directly profiting from it!? You realize these companies pay psychologists to find the most addictive gameplay loops and find ways keep people at the screen. To keep people logging in “daily”! They are not your friend.
Perhaps the entire gaming industry should be shut down. Since they all seem to be run by these evil corporation types.0 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
.
.
.
This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.Edited by vestahls on September 18, 2020 2:31PM“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope it gets banned everywhere in EU as crown crates are the worst form of gambling in any of the games I've played.PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat4 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
.
.
.
This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.
You missed the point. The point being, letting a government or corporation determine your own behavior never ends well. The People need to be constantly vigilant.0 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
.
.
.
This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.
You missed the point. The point being, letting a government or corporation determine your own behavior never ends well. The People need to be constantly vigilant.
Don't confuse what "the people" need to be, with what they actually are.“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
simple as1 -
vibeborn✭✭✭✭✭I know I'm probably alone in this, but I feel sorry for Belgium on that part
Yes, it's considered gambling, but NO government of ANY country should decide what people spend their OWN money on.
And if someone has a problem with buying too many? (I'm close to that point, because I LOVE crown crates) then there are ways they can be helped, and I guess the reason Belgium has decided to ban them, is to help those with problem gambling But punishing/denying EVERYBODY really is nothing but 4th grade teacher mentality.
So a country shouldn't outlaw buying "substances"?
Outlawing substances also means punishing people that are addicted to those substances, and I don't think punishing people is the way to go (question is though, whether or not Belgian players would get punished if they found a way to get loot boxes)
If you mean substances such as certain beverages, no I don't think they should be outlawed, but there of course should be regulations (such as you cannot drink until you are a certain age) and I'm not even a drinker, though I am from a country where beverages are almost seen as a necessity at any event (and if you don't drink you're pretty much out in the cold) still I don't think it should be banned
I don't even think "harder" substances should be outlawed, because it would punish people who are addicted to them, and people should be helped, not punished (plus if the substances were made legal, then they couldn't be controlled by people with bad intentions)
Oh and to anyone who thinks, that just because I don't think subtances should be outlawed, that must automatically think, everybody should be able to drive 100mph in city zones, or something like that OF COURSE I don't think that.
(sorry ZOS for going off a tangent, don't hate me too much)0 -
Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭etchedpixels wrote: »I
Yes, it's considered gambling, but NO government of ANY country should decide what people spend their OWN money on.
So I should be allowed to buy [snip] ?
For many people with gambling problems it's as bad or worse than [snip] and like drug addicts they tend not to just spend their own money.
Now whether they ought to offer people in such countries (and there will soon be far more - the UK proposals have gotten bunged up in Covid19 as have other nations) something like the ability to just buy crown gems and price the stuff at the actual cost for trying to get it from crates, that is another question IMHO.
I of course meant of things that aren't meant to be harmful, and call me overly optimist, but I don't think crown crates were designed to be harmful
And yeah there are people who have a serious problem with gambling, and they SHOULD be helped, but still denying EVERYBODY to gamble is 4th grade teacher mentality.
Like imagine you are in some place in Tamriel, and you think to yourself "Man, I've traveled far, I could really use a beverage" So you go to the nearest inn, only to learn that because some people drank a little to much, the innkeeper has decided to ban all drinking
I'm generally against that sort of mob punishment
But of course I agree that if people have an actual problem with gambling, drinking, whatever, then they should be helped before they play/drink all the money away
How about the inkeeper giving you a completely random beverage instead of what you want?
Tbh, back when I was drinking, I had a habit of doing that when I was at a good place. It way more rewarding that crown creates which are crap and should be removed. Better to sell everything directly in the store for a reasonable price.1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't care about loot boxes in games at all if there was a viable option to purchase all items in store straight up without the need to buy crates->gems->items.
Just give me the price and let me decide.
They won't do this though, since the price of an Apex mount would probably be something like $1000. After all, for most people looking at it, a chance at an Apex for $1 (even though you don't even know the odds), is still better than an Apex mount for $1000. Even though it is no better at all.
That's psychology for you.
As to Belgium, it's an elected government by the people. So they are doing the peoples will as they see fit for their country. If enough people there were upset they can elect a new government and change the laws back.5 -
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anyway, if selling Crown crates is illegal in your jurisdiction, suggest not trying to get crates gifted to you. It should fail and if not then ZoS may get in legal troubles for it.Edited by rpa on September 18, 2020 4:17PM0 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hi all
I'm from Belgium and the last couple weeks I'm unable to buy crown crates because Belgium lootboxes ban... Are there any other solutions that I can give a try to buy crown crates...
Isn't it like saying "alcohol is for adults so is there a way to get one for minors?"
What is actually stated in the ban? If you try to circumvent the ban, will there be repercussions for you or the person helping you?
Edited by Dusk_Coven on September 18, 2020 4:23PM0 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have no knowlege of Belgian law but I quess it's just applying existing gambling regulations to lootboxes. Like whatever regulations on raffle tickets and money collecting. (In my jurisdiction only registred charities can do that kind of thing.)1 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
.
.
.
This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.
You missed the point. The point being, letting a government or corporation determine your own behavior never ends well. The People need to be constantly vigilant.
Don't confuse what "the people" need to be, with what they actually are.
So just do nothing and let mob rule vote in any dictator that comes along, no thanks.0 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭For those of you saying Belgium is infringing on people’s right to gamble, think of it this way. Belgium sparked a snowball effect in 2017 with its response to EA’s loot boxes in Battlefront 2. Since then many countries have taken actions to restrict loot box usage, however in America’s case this was limited to removing loot boxes for games targeted towards children.
If everything in the crown crates were suddenly made available to purchase outright with normal crowns, this would result in the products being offered in the crates to need to be of a higher quality. For example, as crown crates are now, as long as I have a few desirable items in the season if crates, I can front-load the rest of the items with relative garbage like similar past items with small recolorings.
By allowing loot boxes to continue, we are giving game companies PERMISSION to charge us more money for less effort on their products. Just look at the latest Kyne’s Fury lightning skin. Hundreds if not thousands of people were looking forward to that skin, and now the complacency of the crown crates has gotten so bad that someone let the “exposed belly” idea slip through.1 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.
You missed the point. The point being, letting a government or corporation determine your own behavior never ends well. The People need to be constantly vigilant.
Don't confuse what "the people" need to be, with what they actually are.
So just do nothing and let mob rule vote in any dictator that comes along, no thanks.
I mean I agree democracy is a big doodoo, but if you go for an anarcho-capitalist system you're bound to be disappointed all the same
Edited by vestahls on September 18, 2020 4:58PM“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »Oh boy... now we're seeing "BUT MY FREEDOM" posts.... what a warped, ignorant view on this issue. Do you feel your "personal choice" is being violated that companies are forced to tell you bleach is not consumable? But its your choice, right? Divines forbid the government actually take steps. to. protect. us. from greedy corporations who would rather treat consumers like cattle.
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This is not about a company rights issue, this is about companies being immoral [self snip]. If CEO's don't have enough [self snip] to make ethically acceptable decisions, unfortunately its legislation's job to force them.
It's scary how some people are comfortable letting the "Government" legislate what is moral and ethical.
Sure, it should be unellected corporate suits making that decision instead.
inb4 "but muh customers choose". Enablers of bad behaviour are not valid.
Since you made a strawman argument. Your neighbor has many speeding tickets, Since we don't want to encourage bad behavior, cars will be taken away from everyone.
That's not even necessary, I'd ban cars on basic principle. Ponies for everyone.
But to show you where you're wrong: enabling bad behaviour =/= enabling behaviour. Driving is not bad behaviour. Gambling is.
To put it in even simpler terms: by banning gambling, you don't ban the spending of money.
You missed the point. The point being, letting a government or corporation determine your own behavior never ends well. The People need to be constantly vigilant.
Don't confuse what "the people" need to be, with what they actually are.
So just do nothing and let mob rule vote in any dictator that comes along, no thanks.
I mean I agree democracy is a big doodoo, but if you go for an anarcho-capitalist system you're bound to be disappointed all the same
I'm glade I live in a republic and not a democracy nor anarcho-capitalist system.1 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Having had to help a close friend with their own gambling addiction I have to disagree
If they just put the stuff for sale in the crown store then I would buy it, these Gamble crates are horrible
Just ban them and be done with it2 -
woufff✭✭✭✭tomofhyrule wrote: »...but ZOS has decided that the Belgian fanbase is small enough that just removing the possibility of getting certain items is an acceptable loss.
This is just the start as it concerns a decision of the European legislation, Belgium only seem to be the first country to apply it seriously...
When it comes to European "fanbase", well we here in the European Union have 500 Million citizen, should be enough as fanbase
Let's see...
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