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hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, make a PvE instance of Cyrodiil. Remove all the skyshards, delves and equipment drops / vendors from it though.
Why? Because to get them you have to have the risk associated with them. I've gone behind the gates to get skyshards and books and its nerve wracking to do so, but thats part of the joy of Cyrodiil. Why should someone be able to go behind the gates with no risk?
And you think only PvErs would do so? No of course not, PvPers would as well.
Want Deadly Daggers and are AD? Need to take Bruma well up in enemy territory. Nope, just hop onto the PvE instance and fill your boots with all the sets you want.
A PvE version of Cyrodiil can not work unless you strip all the rewards of being in Cyrodiil out of it. And then what are you left with? A few PvE quests with reward boxes that give absolutely nothing.
Cyrodiil is Cyrodiil.
It is a zone designed for PvP. Like it or hate it that is whatbit is. I did all the dolmens, delves and skyshards while I was a PvEr. Now I PvP as well.
Am I a PvEer? No. Am I a PvPer? Again no. I, like many, enjoy both aspects to this game, do I see one as superior to the other? No.
I get that people don't like PvP, and have no issues with that. But don't try changing the game just because you don't like it. Instead accept the game for what it is, learn to embrace it. And yes understand that in Cyrodiil you will die, a lot.
But there are not as many gankers as some would have you believe, you will always get some in events but most of the time you won't find people waiting at a delve or town just in case a PvEr turns up, why would they want to spend their time camping a spot just in case someone turns up that they can kill?
People need to start thinking and learn to read the map. If the town you want is on the front line then there will be PvP players there. If its far behind the lines (either friendly or unfriendly) there is far less chance of there being any other players there. Same goes for delves, dolmens, fishing and ultimately eidetic memory books. All can be got without a lot of trouble if you learn to read the map.7 -
Dovakhan✭✭✭Yes, make a PvE instance of Cyrodiil. Remove all the skyshards, delves and equipment drops / vendors from it though.
Why? Because to get them you have to have the risk associated with them. I've gone behind the gates to get skyshards and books and its nerve wracking to do so, but thats part of the joy of Cyrodiil. Why should someone be able to go behind the gates with no risk?
And you think only PvErs would do so? No of course not, PvPers would as well.
Want Deadly Daggers and are AD? Need to take Bruma well up in enemy territory. Nope, just hop onto the PvE instance and fill your boots with all the sets you want.
A PvE version of Cyrodiil can not work unless you strip all the rewards of being in Cyrodiil out of it. And then what are you left with? A few PvE quests with reward boxes that give absolutely nothing.
Cyrodiil is Cyrodiil.
It is a zone designed for PvP. Like it or hate it that is whatbit is. I did all the dolmens, delves and skyshards while I was a PvEr. Now I PvP as well.
Am I a PvEer? No. Am I a PvPer? Again no. I, like many, enjoy both aspects to this game, do I see one as superior to the other? No.
I get that people don't like PvP, and have no issues with that. But don't try changing the game just because you don't like it. Instead accept the game for what it is, learn to embrace it. And yes understand that in Cyrodiil you will die, a lot.
But there are not as many gankers as some would have you believe, you will always get some in events but most of the time you won't find people waiting at a delve or town just in case a PvEr turns up, why would they want to spend their time camping a spot just in case someone turns up that they can kill?
People need to start thinking and learn to read the map. If the town you want is on the front line then there will be PvP players there. If its far behind the lines (either friendly or unfriendly) there is far less chance of there being any other players there. Same goes for delves, dolmens, fishing and ultimately eidetic memory books. All can be got without a lot of trouble if you learn to read the map.
Again with people complaining over something that doesn't affect them in the slightest.
Please, do tell me, what exactly would removing skyshards, books, etc, do except making the PvE server less appealing and thus forcing PvE players into the PvP server YET AGAIN, thus ruining part of the whole point of having a PvE server? For the millionth time, let people play LIKE THEY WANT. If they want the thrill, then join the PvP IC server. If not, then the PvE one. So much ****ing busybodying, for Seth's sake.
And Cyrodiil is a more complicated case than the IC. I for once am in favor of leaving it as it is in fact. It'd take much more rework to make Cyrodiil into a PvE zone than the simple steps that'd take making the IC into one.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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Also, forgive me if I miss something, but if the topic is still relevant and nothing has changed ever since the first creation of the post, then what's exactly the difference between resurrecting a discussion and creating a new one?
if answer = null, then stop posting stupid necromantic pics already.
Something has changed.
Its September, not April. You started out talking about the points raised by old posts. Most of those posters probably aren't going to look back at this old thread to respond to you. Start a new thread and then you aren't picking up the threads of conversations from five months ago.
Its also a whole different event - though both the Anniversary Event and Imperial City include PVE-only options for event tickets. So there's some information that's now outdated in the earlier parts of the thread.
That's two good reasons to start a new thread on quester safety if you think its such an issue, instead of performing thread necromancy. If its still relevant, you'll get good conversation still, but with current info and engaged players.
You know, like this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545251/pve-versions-of-imperial-city-and-cyrodiil
And if Mannimarco is stupid, too bad. I've got more memes.
Edited by VaranisArano on September 14, 2020 11:02AM4 -
Dovakhan✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Also, forgive me if I miss something, but if the topic is still relevant and nothing has changed ever since the first creation of the post, then what's exactly the difference between resurrecting a discussion and creating a new one?
if answer = null, then stop posting stupid necromantic pics already.
Something has changed.
Its September, not April. You started out talking about the points raised by old posts. Most of those posters probably aren't going to look back at this old thread to respond to you. Start a new thread and then you aren't picking up the threads of conversations from five months ago.
Its also a whole different event - though both the Anniversary Event and Imperial City include PVE-only options for event tickets. So there's some information that's now outdated in the earlier parts of the thread.
That's two good reasons to start a new thread on quester safety if you think its such an issue, instead of performing thread necromancy. If its still relevant, you'll get good conversation still, but with current info and engaged players.
You know, like this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545251/pve-versions-of-imperial-city-and-cyrodiil
And if Mannimarco is stupid, too bad. I've got more memes.
Have the points changed by any chance? Don't think so. Besides, people can just start discussing again beginning with the new point from the necromancer. Which is about the same complain that people have been complaining all this time.
And this discussion has nothing to do with the current event, and you know it. The current event merely highlights the main problem.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Also, forgive me if I miss something, but if the topic is still relevant and nothing has changed ever since the first creation of the post, then what's exactly the difference between resurrecting a discussion and creating a new one?
if answer = null, then stop posting stupid necromantic pics already.
Something has changed.
Its September, not April. You started out talking about the points raised by old posts. Most of those posters probably aren't going to look back at this old thread to respond to you. Start a new thread and then you aren't picking up the threads of conversations from five months ago.
Its also a whole different event - though both the Anniversary Event and Imperial City include PVE-only options for event tickets. So there's some information that's now outdated in the earlier parts of the thread.
That's two good reasons to start a new thread on quester safety if you think its such an issue, instead of performing thread necromancy. If its still relevant, you'll get good conversation still, but with current info and engaged players.
You know, like this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545251/pve-versions-of-imperial-city-and-cyrodiil
And if Mannimarco is stupid, too bad. I've got more memes.
Have the points changed by any chance? Don't think so. Besides, people can just start discussing again beginning with the new point from the necromancer. Which is about the same complain that people have been complaining all this time.
And this discussion has nothing to do with the current event, and you know it. The current event merely highlights the main problem.
There's already a current thread talking about much the same issue that doesn't have outdated info on an old event and isn't trying to argue over conversations from April. I'll see you over there: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545251/pve-versions-of-imperial-city-and-cyrodiil0 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hadn't realised this was that thread resurrected or I wouldn't have bothered commenting again.
You want your cake amd to eat it.
I understand that.
But you can't, as with all things in life you have to take the rough with the smooth. You can play this game how you want to. You can play it as PvE in Cyrodiil if that is what you want to do.youbjust have to accept that others won't do so and will kill you given the chance.
Your desire is a total nonsense. You can do all you want in Cyrodiil as it is. When anyone has argued anything against you you have refused to listen to arguments the other way shutting them down with essentially the fact that you want a game that meets your needs.
I want the Godslayer achievement. Please can I have a PvP version of Sunspire where I don't need to kill any monsters but just need to run through the trial looting chests and dead dragons and give me the achievement at the end.
And that is as much of a nonsense request as PvE Cyrodiil. I understand that.
I have always shied away from PvP in other games, hated going into the Wildy in Runescape but did it when I needed to. Same here in ESO, hated it to start with. Dreaded meeting other players, dreaded dying. But then I accepted if I want all the achievements I had to embrace it. Whether you like PvP doesn't matter. The game has two PvP zones. To "complete" the game you have to take part in both.
Its as simple as that. Its how the game is designed. Like it or lump it, it is what we have and the game is the better for it.
Where do you think PvPers come from? A lot are PvErs who venture into Cyrodiil or the Sewers and find that its not as scary as they thought. But if they had a PvE option they would take that and never try PvP.
And then the PvP community would decrease faster than it already is. And before long there would be no PvP.
And that would be sad as its part of the game and there to be enjoyed, feared or avoided by all2 -
robwolf666✭✭✭✭✭
✭mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »ZOS please give questers immunity of some kind in Cyrodil. im sick and tired of getting ganked by...
I've been saying this since I first started playing - trying to do the quests in Cyrodiil is a joke because you have w.....s sitting on quest areas who won't leave you alone to do them.
And to the players who say don't come in to PvP in you don't want to PvP... FU, you're free to come in to PvE areas and have your little duels etc, I don't see why PvErs shouldn't have the same freedom to come into Cyrodiil and do the quests unmolested by w.....s.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Also, forgive me if I miss something, but if the topic is still relevant and nothing has changed ever since the first creation of the post, then what's exactly the difference between resurrecting a discussion and creating a new one?
if answer = null, then stop posting stupid necromantic pics already.
Something has changed.
Its September, not April. You started out talking about the points raised by old posts. Most of those posters probably aren't going to look back at this old thread to respond to you. Start a new thread and then you aren't picking up the threads of conversations from five months ago.
Its also a whole different event - though both the Anniversary Event and Imperial City include PVE-only options for event tickets. So there's some information that's now outdated in the earlier parts of the thread.
That's two good reasons to start a new thread on quester safety if you think its such an issue, instead of performing thread necromancy. If its still relevant, you'll get good conversation still, but with current info and engaged players.
You know, like this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545251/pve-versions-of-imperial-city-and-cyrodiil
And if Mannimarco is stupid, too bad. I've got more memes.
Have the points changed by any chance? Don't think so. Besides, people can just start discussing again beginning with the new point from the necromancer. Which is about the same complain that people have been complaining all this time.
And this discussion has nothing to do with the current event, and you know it. The current event merely highlights the main problem.
The points have 100% changed, the original post was about cyrodil, a PvP zone, while you are trying to force the PvPvE zone (IC) to be PvE only, and still have the PvP rewards (Telvars) worst is that you have a PvE option for this event (icp wgt) so a lot of the arguments previously mentioned are invalid.4 -
karliahquinn✭✭✭You have to be level 45 before you can do ICP/WGT. If you are below that and want to participate in the event you have to go to IC.0 -
Gundug✭✭✭✭✭karliahquinn wrote: »You have to be level 45 before you can do ICP/WGT. If you are below that and want to participate in the event you have to go to IC.
You can direct port into either dungeon at level 3. If you have any friends who are at all decent at playing, you can group up and solve them at that level, especially White Gold Tower, which is not particularly difficult.0 -
zergbase_ESO✭✭✭✭mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »ZOS please give questers immunity of some kind in Cyrodil. im sick and tired of getting ganked by [snip] just because im there questing. i leave people alone in do my thing yet they feel the need to ambush and attack for no reason, so far ive been done in by 3 playes some more than once even though i didnt fight back. one inside a quest hub, i left him alone and how did i get repaid? oh right i got ganked instead of left alone. i tried running but nope this [snip] just kept doing the [snip] spear then continued his own questing!!! rude to say the least. scummy yes..... this needs to stop. all factions do it granted but it still needs to stop. all some people want to do is quest quietly and not get abused and ganked by [snip] on a pvp trip.
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Stay out of pvp zone then? It is a PVPVE. I tend to ignore lowbies but if I see CP in your name plate gank away I go.0 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭yeah, no, you can't avoid enemy players, there.
I can't fight against good PvP'ers, cause I never bothered to learn.. not interested in PvP.
However, when I happen to set foot in IC, I accept that I am fair game.
I just try to be as annoying to kill as possible. I run around, I streak, I mist form...anything to make my prospective killer spend an inane amount of time offing me ! Also, I only do quest and don't gather Tel'var. It's actually quite fun !
Do the same. You'll be targeted once or twice ..but those who know you will not be farming you .. not worth it.Edited by preevious on September 14, 2020 7:03PM1
