Ganking Players Fighting Mobs (IC)

Sleep724 · September 2020

This event is the first time I'm carrying a stack of detect pots. I never realized how valuable they are. Most gankers/bombers have no idea what to do when they're trying to cloak and you just keep following them and attacking them.

To the guy who said he likes to humiliate his victims, right back at ya. Its great to humiliate you gankers because you look so helpless trying to cloak and nothings happening. You just stand there, unable to heal, not attacking back and clueless as to what to do next without your cloak.

zaria · September 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I basically only go to IC for event quests on a nearly maxed out thief -- Khajit nightblade, Darloc Brae, Night Terror, Ring of the Wild Hunt, 3x Swift, Vampire Stage 1. Even when I see players from other alliances who I suspect of camping quest objectives, I'm out of and back into stealth so fast that they usually don't tag me.

Are they just nicely letting me live? Was I wrong about them wanting to gank me? Am I really skillfully eluding them? Often, I'm not really sure.

But I usually survive.

I would lean more toward skillfully eluding them. I don't come across very many nice people in Imperial City. haha

Place is a slaughter house.

City fighting tend to be like that, yes you can use 1000 heavy bombers or a nuke and make it an wasteland who is better for tank armies.

Guyle · September 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

Zatox wrote: »

Yes, its feels really good. When your enemies suffer, when you humiliating your victim - its all pure adrenaline. Toxic community and hate wispers are also fun.
Dont forget, gankers also being ganked and they dont worry about it.

Some of the most extreme whispers I ever received, were when I snipped a ganker while they ganking.

Yeah I was even gonna say, the ppl who do this go ape when it happens to them. They are just already pure salt.

Dovakhan · September 2020

Why are there two threads on the same matter? anyway, I don't mind copypasting

Dovakhan wrote: »

This again, how boring.

First of all, for all those "OMG THIZ IZ A PIVIPI ZONE OMG LOL GET OUTAAA HERE NOOB!": Like it or not, it's a MIXED PVP/PVE zone. Get that fact already once and for all.

Second of all: "OMG LOLZ UZE INVISZ POTIONSZZS!": Yeah, do try to use them in the middle of combat against NPC's, see if you can.

And third of all: learn to respect those who only want to PvE in that MIXED zone, and maybe you'll get some respect back.

Personally, I'd go for a small PvE-only server set in Cyrodiil and the IC and be done with this stupid drama already. PvE'rs would be happy, and PvP'ers as well, maybe except those "heroes" who likes to hunt PvE'rs which have no voice in this debate anyway, for obvious reasons.

Or at least do that in the IC. That'd be something already. I'll admit that Cyrodiil may be a bit more PvP-designed, but the IC is purely a PvE zone where they put one stupid flag per district and called it a PvP area. Heck, they wouldn't even have to change anything lore-story wise if they just added a few Alliance NPC's fighting each other here and there for the players to kill.

And as for Tel Vars...I'd just leave them the way they're in the PvE IC server (killing NPC's give you some, etc). That way it'd be balanced between PvE'rs needing Tel Vars not having the need to go to PvP servers, and PvP servers having more risk-reward gains. Again, everybody would be happy.

In truth, this issue could have been solved ages ago, if ZOS just put some effort into it. PvP and PvE just don't mix well. I don't even know why they even tried to begin with.

Canned_Apples · September 2020

Most of the time you get between 0-300 telvar and very little ap for killing players going after mobs.
Other than doing it out of boredom, there really is no point to it.
They do the same when they out number you. I’ve seen it happen.

Stack health and heavy armor and they won’t be able to gank you.
With vampire NB, pop a detect potion and drop an ultimate when they pop out with 25% health.

FR0STDEE · September 2020

Can you suggest a different type of build for a nightblade pvp? Sadly they have been nerfed into a hit and run build over the years and aren’t really good for anything else.

markulrich1966 · September 2020

Canned_Apples wrote: »

Most of the time you get between 0-300 telvar and very little ap for killing players going after mobs.
Other than doing it out of boredom, there really is no point to it.
They do the same when they out number you. I’ve seen it happen.

Stack health and heavy armor and they won’t be able to gank you.
With vampire NB, pop a detect potion and drop an ultimate when they pop out with 25% health.

are they that squishy?
I wondered in this situation:

saw 2 guys, cp810, hunting a quester of my faction.

I was just level 33, but have 700 cp, so decided to help him.
2 minutes later they were history, the first we finished together, the second I chased and deleted alone.

I don't even have pvp setup (gear/cp) , magplar, and wondered why it was so easy.
I already thought they might have been gankers that left stealth to hunt their victim, optimized for 1 shots but in return very vulnerable.

PizzaCat82 · September 2020

At no point, in the entire event, was I ever "left alone" by the other teams. Every time I was decloaked, I was attacked.

So when you ask "Why are people ganking me?

Remember, its because your teammates ganked them.

I'll do my part to join the server that has all my team, and 0% everyone else. You join that server, its because you want to fight.

tsaescishoeshiner · September 2020

This is literally the point of IC. The point of a mixed PvP and PvE experience is to sometimes have PvP happen to you while you're PvEing.

I've been going easy on people in IC recently during the event but I don't feel morally obligated to. The fun from their perspective is to find a good mark, like a hunter looking for lunch. It can also give some satisfaction to gankers who haven't been doing well and want to get a win for once. And of course for some really skilled players it's just a power trip to be an IC steamroller

IC has really high rewards just for killing mobs, so it takes extra care and a good build to farm safely. Alternatively, you can assume you're gonna die and receive only half the Tel Var you've farmed every time, which saves some disappointment.

SpacemanSpiff1 · September 2020

it's a pvp zone.

idk · September 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

Well it's a PVP zone and I've eliminated several players fighting NPCs for the AP and Tel Var stones. Yes it sucks but you really shouldn't be engaging large groups of NPCs without allies nearby unless you can handle yourself in at least a 1v1.

This is also why I tend to avoid the boss battles unless I have a zerg to back me up since I've died plenty of times to opportunistic players. Imperial City is a harsh place, it takes a while to get used to it and develop sound strategies for it. Here are some I have.

After dying turn your currently acquired stones into the bank.
Always have one speed boost ability.
Carry invisibility potions.
Don't go full glass cannon without group support.

Especially during the IC event.

TheJTOON · September 2020

Is there a way to get the event tickets without participating in the pvp content from this event without having to wait for the next event coming along? I hate pvp but want those tickets.

Herr_Flocke · September 2020

TheJTOON wrote: »

Is there a way to get the event tickets without participating in the pvp content from this event without having to wait for the next event coming along? I hate pvp but want those tickets.

sure, just do one of the group dungeons WGT or ICP per day. WGT is soloable, though I'd highly recommend to max legerdemain first

Herr_Flocke · September 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

So what is the point?

the point is that you are in a pvp zone, and you shouldn't behave as if you were not. Or not complain about the occasional opportunistic ganker. Just focussing on the mobs won't do, you should be equipped and prepared for pvp engagement at any time. That's how the zone is designed and that is how other people play that zone.

ArchMikem · September 2020

Imperial City is pleasant off of events. Nice and empty. I completed the quest line in an empty camp at late hours.

Face it, you're in a PvP zone. PvErs are easy targets. All we can do is deal with it, learn to fight back, or invest in invisibility pots.

Herr_Flocke · September 2020

Dovakhan wrote: »

PvP and PvE just don't mix well. I don't even know why they even tried to begin with.

you certainly never played on a wow pvp server

Believe it or not, there's actually people who like that mix and the thrill that comes with it.

Moonsorrow · September 2020

GenjiraX wrote: »

I’m a squishy PVEer and I love the PVP events. Gankers, or even just players roaming round playing the game as intended and crushing opposing factions, add so much excitement and danger to the quests that it keeps it fresh for the full duration. I think about how frustratingly tedious the New Life event was.

Tagging onto a gang of marauders of your own faction and crushing the others is great. Running away from a lone ganker stalking the quest objectives and leading him (or her, sexist!) into a roaming boss then scarpering is a joy. I think all events should be PVP. I feel like I’ve earned my tickets.

That is the right spirit and attitude!

Every MYM and IC event i see a lot of new people around that after the first days shock of it all can actually have fun.

Normal pve questing is so easy, and suddenly there are enemies (other players) that actually can kill you in front of your quest objectives in a warzone.

One can think IC dailys, especially on primetime as Vet HM questing for those who want some actual challenge to their questing instead of the pve overland faceroll difficulty.

Good to always read that some get the whole point of IC. It is a PVP warzone with advanced difficulty questing and fun roaming pve bosses that can mix in with fights with other players. You have earned your tickets for sure!

I have played everyday of the event for more hours than is probably healthy lol, and had good fun. Love it when IC is full and nice action everywhere.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · September 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

It's cheesy. PvPers love cheese, like spawn camping. Another reason why open world PvP is nonsense.
Move all PvP into BGs. This would...
End exploits such as spawn camping, AP boosting, and scroll trolling (having a traitor toon bring elder scrolls into enemy territory)

End long rides through empty landscape just to get to a fight late and miss all the action

Make it easier to spot win trading, cheating, and exploiting

Prevent PvDoor when the faction population is wildly unbalanced

Control the number of participants to prevent overtaxing the server with issues such as the suspected AoE spamming being the cause

Control the environment and number of participants so that ZOS can start to better balance combat for PvP (and do so separately from PvE)

Additionally, introduce a league/ranked system to have more competitive match-ups.

Also it would open up the biggest zone in the game to actually have proper content, Cyrodiil is the Heartland of Tamriel and is wasted as a PvP zone.

Gorreck · September 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

It's cheesy. PvPers love cheese, like spawn camping. Another reason why open world PvP is nonsense.

That's sort of true, but its also simply not true.

I've played on many MMORPG PvP servers where whole guilds (and individuals) simply did not do that sort of thing.

A mega-server environment tends to encourage the cheese, however, as there are fewer concequences and no real repuation to speak of.

The mega-server enviroment tends to favour a very specific type of player that wouldn't have flourished on old style PvP MMORPG servers.

Herr_Flocke · September 2020

Gorreck wrote: »

The mega-server enviroment tends to favour a very specific type of player that wouldn't have flourished on old style PvP MMORPG servers.

don't really want to burst your bubble, but this exact behavior is as old as there is pvp in mmorpg's. Or why do you think UO felt the need to invent the Trammel/Felucca schisma back in the good old days

Linaleah · September 2020

Gorreck wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

It's cheesy. PvPers love cheese, like spawn camping. Another reason why open world PvP is nonsense.

That's sort of true, but its also simply not true.

I've played on many MMORPG PvP servers where whole guilds (and individuals) simply did not do that sort of thing.

A mega-server environment tends to encourage the cheese, however, as there are fewer concequences and no real repuation to speak of.

The mega-server enviroment tends to favour a very specific type of player that wouldn't have flourished on old style PvP MMORPG servers.

eh. I started playing WoW back in BC. I distinctly remember this alliance dude doing their outmost best to trick me into flagging so they could kill me. and that was on pve server. pvp server was far FAR worse.

"don't make me get my main" is kind of a famous WoW machinima and its for a reason. I also had this stuff happen in SWTOR, back at launch. Reputation is still a factor in ESO. its just... gankers are not nearly as condemned as you think they are, and haven't been even back then. more often then not - they are admired instead. not by everyone. but by enough people to encourage rather then discourage them. enough for that reputation - play to their advantage.

kargen27 · September 2020

My opinion is most the gankers during these types of events are frustrated PvP'rs that are taking out their frustrations of dying over and over and over again the rest of the year on PvE'rs just wanting to do the dailies. I'm almost certain the ones that wait until you are engaged with NPC's are the rest of the year dying at almost every turn.
Some are players that rarely venture into PvP but are hoping maybe they can get a kill if the have NPC help.

santhoranb16_ESO · September 2020

PvP Dungeons are designed for that. Its absolutely intended by design that you get killed while questing/doing dailys or whatsoever. Thats the whole reason why this thing exists.
If you dont like it, dont join it. You can get your Event tickets outside of IC in dungeons too.

Eifleber · September 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Ganking Players Fighting Mobs (IC). So what is the point?

It's just one place in the whole game and especially designed for people that like that.

Why then do still insist on going there?

thorwyn · September 2020

The mega-server enviroment tends to favour a very specific type of player that wouldn't have flourished on old style PvP MMORPG servers.

This is completely untrue. In DAoC, people used to camp mile gate choke points, boat stations or quest mobs with the sole purpose of ganking inexperienced players. Sometimes, people would even walk all the way into the enemy realm, find xp spots and kill the buffbots of low levels. This playstyle has been around since 2002 and probably even earlier.

Mayrael · September 2020

You should accept it that other players will attack you because this is how this zone is meant to be played. When you accept it, next step is to prepare for it. You look for best PvE setups, why won't you look for a setup for PvP? Use sneak, invisibility potions, tanky build, speed build etc. etc. I've met many players who caused no threat to me but they were so tanky that I simply ignored them after initial engage, you don't have to be experienced PvPer, just learn how not to die.

Personally I love IC event because of all the players there. For me it doesn't matter will I die, however I always do my best to escape. Many times as a solo player I engaged with bigger groups of players, sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, this is PvP - death is inevitable, embrace it and try to learn something each time you die.

The best part about this event is that players are loaded with tel vars. I've earned around 700k tel vars just by doing what I love - PvP.

Dovakhan · September 2020

Herr_Flocke wrote: »

Dovakhan wrote: »

PvP and PvE just don't mix well. I don't even know why they even tried to begin with.

you certainly never played on a wow pvp server Believe it or not, there's actually people who like that mix and the thrill that comes with it.

And believe it or not, there are people who don't, both here and in wow most surely.

So let people choose if they want that "thrill" or not.

Herr_Flocke · September 2020

Dovakhan wrote: »

So let people choose if they want that "thrill" or not.

but you already can, just get your tickets from WGT or ICP. No PVP involved and WGT is even soloable, so not even a Q involved.
Noone forces you to enter IC. But if you do, just don't complain about players that play by IC rules.

Dovakhan · September 2020

Herr_Flocke wrote: »

Dovakhan wrote: »

So let people choose if they want that "thrill" or not.

but you already can, just get your tickets from WGT or ICP. No PVP involved and WGT is even soloable, so not even a Q involved.
Noone forces you to enter IC. But if you do, just don't complain about players that play by IC rules.

[snip]

Who's talking about the current event? What about people who just want to do the IC/Cyrodiil quests? What about those who just wants to make a group and fight the (multiple) bosses there and in the IC sewers? What about those who just wants to farm some Tel Var for X item without having to bother about some guy stealing them? There's much more to this endless PvP/PvE debate than merely the current IC event, and you know it.

[snip] At most, like I said before, it's Cyrodiil the zone that could be considered more PvP-designed. But in my book, PvP'ers are the trespassers in the IC, and not otherwise.

Remove the stupid Alliance flags and PvP damage, and it's basically a normal DLC expansion.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

FlopsyPrince · September 2020

Thanks for all the replies. I really was just asking the question.

Yes, it is frustrating as all getout to me, but I will never be great at PvP, so I have to live with it. I got tired of questing in an empty area only to get killed repeatedly by someone popping out of nowhere.

At least this will be done in a day or so!