Sarannah wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Your reply is exactly the kind of PvE player @VaranisArano is referring to ... someone that wants the zone rewards without risking PvP.

You mean "... without suffering PvP."
A PvE player who is forced into a PvP zone is not a PvPer just because he is in that zone. PvPers seem to think easy kills are legit kills, they are not. That is not PvP, that is just preying on other players who you know are going to die.

Real PvP is against someone who wants to PvP, but apparently this is not what most PvPers are actually looking for.

If you want pvp rewards from the pvp zone then you need to risk pvp.

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Make it a dlc
Divided in 3 zones, they could be called nothern, southern and estern heartland or something

Accessed via wayshrine and sewer as they were before (pvp cyrodiil would still be accessed via campain menu)

Current chokepoint would be replaced by loadscreen to nezt zone

These zone would get there own reward like every other zones in the game

They would get there own skyshard, fish, etc(so pvp player wont whine as there isnt any pve player to kill)

The zone could also be resized to match other zone and reduce the horse simulator

For telvar maybe they could stay but put the death loss highter maybe like 90% to simulate the danger of player

As for ap attach them to main story and make it so you get just enough to get rapid but nothing more so it would also clear the rapid problem some player have since stonethorn

I think this would make most party happy

Pve player get there version of cyrodiil and imperial city and access to rapid

Pvp player keep everything they have exclusive to pvp such as skyshard, part of the master fisher achievement and more, with the exeption the first 5 rank of alliance skill line

Zos would make money as it would be a dlc( it could even be 3)

So basically you want free rapids again. Nah, go earn it this time. It was dumb you could get it by skipping the tutorial in the first place. If you want PvP skills do PvP. I can't earn undaunted in cyrodiil, I have to run dungeons. So you should go do PvP if you want rapids again.

BuildMan wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Make it a dlc
Divided in 3 zones, they could be called nothern, southern and estern heartland or something

Accessed via wayshrine and sewer as they were before (pvp cyrodiil would still be accessed via campain menu)

Current chokepoint would be replaced by loadscreen to nezt zone

These zone would get there own reward like every other zones in the game

They would get there own skyshard, fish, etc(so pvp player wont whine as there isnt any pve player to kill)

The zone could also be resized to match other zone and reduce the horse simulator

For telvar maybe they could stay but put the death loss highter maybe like 90% to simulate the danger of player

As for ap attach them to main story and make it so you get just enough to get rapid but nothing more so it would also clear the rapid problem some player have since stonethorn

I think this would make most party happy

Pve player get there version of cyrodiil and imperial city and access to rapid

Pvp player keep everything they have exclusive to pvp such as skyshard, part of the master fisher achievement and more, with the exeption the first 5 rank of alliance skill line

Zos would make money as it would be a dlc( it could even be 3)

So basically you want free rapids again. Nah, go earn it this time. It was dumb you could get it by skipping the tutorial in the first place. If you want PvP skills do PvP. I can't earn undaunted in cyrodiil, I have to run dungeons. So you should go do PvP if you want rapids again.

I said that for other player as i already got rank 7 on all my 18 character long ago....
Also i do pvp from time to time, i almost have a legate, granted its not my main occupation in eso but i do not dislike it

Major_Lag wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sure. As long as you get none of the rewards already in those zones. Let the experience be its own reward.

See, the rewards like AP, leads, motifs, resources, fish, achievements, event tickets, skyshards, Tel var, etc? All those were designed to be gained with the risk of PVP. ZOS intentionally put those in PVP-enabled zones.

You eliminate the risk? The rewards should be eliminated as well.

Do we have a deal?
Or is this a plea for rewards with no risk?

I don't get that kind of argument.
I mean, I understand the reasoning behind it, but it just doesn't hold up to actual practice, at least as far as it applies to Cyrodiil (less so to IC).

In Cyrodiil, it's quite rare to encounter any enemy players at the "pure PvE" objectives like delves, skyshards or dolmens.
Even in primetime there's a decent chance that you won't encounter anyone at such locations. If you go there in a low population campaign, the factor of "risk of PvP" was already vanishingly low to begin with.

Off the top of my head, the only PvE activity in Cyrodiil that carries any significant "risk of PvP" is... fishing - because you are literally standing out in the open, and some types of fishing nodes are located very close to major travel routes and PvP objectives. (is "stealth fishing" still a thing?)

And depending on how you define "engaging in PvP", it is entirely possible to complete all of the PvE content in both PvP zones without ever actually engaging in any PvP - if you define it as "fighting (back) against the enemy players".
After all, the only real consequence of dying to enemy players is the inconvenience of dealing with the horse simulator.
Not saying that this is the optimal way of doing things - far from it - just that it's a distinct possibility.

Most of the time I see this argument, its along the lines of wanting to avoid the risk of being killed or losing progress to other players. No matter how slight the inconvenience or infinitesimal the risk you think there is, its enough risk to spur thread after thread asking for PVE-only versions of PVP-enabled zones (and thread upon thread of complaints about being "forced" into PVP-enabled zones to get rewards like skyshards, achievements, skills, and event tickets.) No matter how small, some players really want to avoid the risk.

I can only speak for myself, but I've fought (and been killed by) enemy players while skyshard hunting in Cyrodiil delves, doing Cyrodiil town quests during and after events, doing Imperial City quests during and after events, dolmens, and Cyro/IC fishing. There is always risk in a PVP-enabled zone, even you with take sensible precautions such as stealth, invis, or playing when server pop is low.

ZOS fully intended for those rewards to be obtained with the risk that other players might kill me if they find me. The dailies are even quick and easy with that risk in mind. Players who want PVE-only versions of PVP-enabled zones AND all the rewards are merely trying to get all the rewards while avoiding the full intended risk.

It's very similar to the idea of a story-mode dungeon: if all you want to do is experience the story, it shouldn't be a problem that you aren't getting the rewards for doing it as intended. If that is a problem, then it seems that people want to avoid the intended risk, but still get all the rewards.

I'd be okay with a PVE-only version of Cyrodiil having its own rewards, but not the actual Cyrodiil achievements, skyshards, etc. which were intended to carry the risk of PVP. For example, if you want Tamriel Skyshard Hunter or Master Angler, that includes experiencing ALL of the base game, and that includes PVP-enabled Cyrodiil.

I like the part when everyone assumes that all PvErs want the pvp rewards, that's hilarious.

I just want to do quests

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M_Volsung wrote: »

I like the part when everyone assumes that all PvErs want the pvp rewards, that's hilarious.

I just want to do quests

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This is exactly why I suggest a rewardless PVE-only version. If the experience is the only object, then not getting the various rewards from the separate PVP-enabled zone shouldn't be a problem. Experience can be its own reward.

That being said, the number of threads that crop up around Midyear Mayhem, Imperial City, and the Anniversary Event (and the introduction of Antiquities) do indicate a good number of players who do, in fact, want the rewards without the risk of PVP.

So not ALL PVEers. But definitely some PVEers.