MorganaBlue wrote: »

we have been asking... what asking, begging for being able to use our frost staves as a viable DPS tool for how long? years? so don't get your hopes too high, mate, that is never going to happen..

When I started playing ESO, the frost staff was a damage weapon and not a utility weapon for tanks.

The Trifocus passive DID NOT have a taunt attached to the staff - it was reworked in 2017.

Below is what the Trifocus passive used to look like. Someone decided magicka dps only needed two of their three weapn options and left us <monkaS>

As I said, it was worthless for DPS before and never used....now it gets used often by many tanks.

Lunerdog wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

*Message to Devs*


Return 'Ice Staff' to being a dps weapon.

Create a new glyph set, "Glyph of Taunting"

*Said glyph can be aplied to any weapon and will taunt the enemy for xx seconds*


That way, any players weapon of choice can be used as a tanking tool... Or not


The solutions to these things are so simple that I wonder why the dev's don't think of them...

That is NOTHING like the Ice staff taunt.

1. You don't lose a glyph to taunt on the ice staff.
2. Taunting with the ice staff passive provides a damage shield(true, its marginal and mostly worthless, but its something to note)
3. Taunting with a glyph-enhanced bow for instance wont restore magicka.
4. Blocking with a glyph-enhanced weapon of any sort will not use magicka are the blocking resource.
5. You dont get resistance passive from a taunt-glyph

So yeah...I'll keep the ice-staff, thanks. I am not opposed to DPS having their precious ice-staff back(though I suspect it would see exactly as much use as before in reality) if tanks first get a weapon to replace it that retains all of its current usefulness.

Good points, so here we go...


Fiery Glyph of Magicka Taunting
Icy Glyph of Magicka Taunting
Shocking Glyph of Magicka Taunting

The above Glyphs do fire/frost/shock damage and make blocking use Magicka, grant a damage shield and fully charged heavy attacks restore Magicka.



Fiery Glyph of Stamina Taunting
Icy Glyph of Stamina Taunting
Shocking Glyph of Stamina Taunting

The above Glyphs do fire/frost/shock damage and make blocking use Stamina, grant a damage shield and fully charged heavy attacks restore Stamina.


Nothing is set in stone, if the properties can be applied to a passive they can be applied to a glyph.

This way, a weapon type (Ice Staff) wouldn't need to be taken away from those who want to use it and tanks would have more tools at their disposal.

Or they could simply add a Staff of Taunting that uses Magicka when blocking, then Ice Staff could be restored to its original intent.

Sure...multi effect glyphs would be great and allow a lot of tunability....but you would literally have to use a taunting glyph for EVERY single glyph combination you might want on a weapon. tanks don't often use damage glyphs...but off-tanks do. Sometimes I will use an absorb magicka glyph on a given weapon, sometimes a crusher glyph....it really depends on the content more than anything else....so adding frost staff passive as an option to every single glyph is not a workable option.

It would be nice if they re-vamped the rune system to use 4 or 5 runes instead of 3, then you could add affects like the ice-staff passives to existing glyphs....no, a simpler solution is to just give tanks an alteration staff or something and give the frost staff back to DPS.....but even if they do, it will be just like before and will never be used...Warden is a garbage excuse for an ice mage, and without a re-vamp of those skill lines or a new class, ice mage simply isnt happening....its probably why ZOS hasnt reverted the ice staff to DPS already...they know very well it would never be used, at least as a tank weapon it sees a lot of use.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

i complained about not being able to use frost staffs waaaay back before warden was added.
i said give them shields that use magicka on block (this was sort of added) and add a taunt to ice destro clench morph this one was not added and instead they did it in a horrific way.
they added the taunt to bloody heavy attacking the WORST way to add a taunt in this game.
its slow, clunky and actually discourages regenerating magicka via heavy attacking in PvE as a frost staff user because it will taunt.
they never remedied this and so the staff became mostly useless.

all they need to do is move the taunt to icy clench, make the damage shield 200% bigger from a heavy attack and last 3 seconds longer and make it so the bonus from using an ice staff from destruction mastery reduced your damage intake by 9/18% allowing the frost tanks to tank better and giving ice staff DPS a more tanky feeling over damage.

now if they also made it so vampire stages buff your frost damage delt and frost resistance by 5/10/20/35% it would actually make a frost focused vampire a viable way to play because lore wise vampires ARE heavily resistant to frost and tend to come with a full load out of ice spells if they are mages.

yeah i find it funny that people defend the atrocious state of the frost staff

as one of the older players who wanted all 3 staffs to be viable and ice staff to be the "durable" caster that can damage small amounts of stamina in PvP per damage tick and be the slow focused durable damage caster which it kinda is but that taunt makes that impossible. part of why i wanted clench to have the taunt attacked to it and giving vampires a frost damage buff and resistance means they would be the more natural users of frost dps but at the same time would give fire slightly more viability in PvP because ice users being vampires would have a fire weakness. then just make it so lightning staff would have a tiny amount of magicka resource damage attached to the heavy attack so that its less about AoE in PvP and more about pressuring healers without the need to slot poison or they could even slot posion for further magicka hurt and pressure even harder (cause somehow we pass poison through lighting now?) and maybe we can start seeing less ball healing if each heavy attack tick burns like 2% of every user hit with the heavy attack AoE channel's magicka

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

... yeah i find it funny that people defend the atrocious state of the frost staff

Prepare to laugh then.

My magward quite likes her ice staff. She is primarily ---> solo PvE <---.

see this is the difference in the argument, solo anything works, because your solo so your not able to screw other players over but the thing is in a group setting frost staffs do more harm than good as a DPS if they dont have a back bar with a fire/shock/restoration staff for magicka regeneration from heavy attacks because frost staffs taunt when they heavy attack which is counter productive as a DPS.

this is the main issue with being a frost DPS, still great for crowd control but against sustained fights or harder enemies you are actively handicapping your team.

PvP wise they are also lacking because even though they control ok-ish they suck at damage, giving them a stamina drain would help make them a better sustained PvP weapon and shock keeping its magicka bar drain from skyrim would also make the AoE heavy attacks good for pressuring ball/group healing since it would burn everyone hit by the pulses magicka over time.

fire is just outright superior due to the sheer damage bonus+burning

I'd really like them to split the warden into a true nature based class and a true frost mage class instead of throwing the two together, which just makes it seem like they had two semi-viable ideas and couldn't be bothered with finishing either of them.

I'd also love it if the warden was less strictly Vvardnfell themed and could fit with other areas of the world. I'm glad they realised the mistake and didn't repeat it with the Necromancer, but it's a shame the warden is stuck with such oddly specific skills.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

... yeah i find it funny that people defend the atrocious state of the frost staff

Prepare to laugh then.

My magward quite likes her ice staff. She is primarily solo PvE. She enjoys the flexibility of the warden with an ice staff, particularly when trying to keep a rogue WB chasing squishies still. She runs ice front and resto back. Ice heavy attacks are when she intentionally wants to taunt (it is not worth slotting a taunt skill though) such as holding a WB or pulling a mob off a vulnerable character. That said, she is very attuned to tanks and has never ever pulled a mob away from a tank who is taunting them. When she wants magicka, she does a resto heavy attack which restores more magicka than destro anyway. Though she calls herself a dps, she packs plenty of heals for others and has the survivability and taunt to pull a dangerous mob off a squishie and deal with them in her face. On top of that, she does plenty of dps. She's too much of a Jane of all Trades to be competitive but she is very viable and great fun.

I'm not trying to make a case that 'Ice staff is great so don't touch it'. I agree that, like the warden class, the ice staff is. . . confused and somewhat unfocused. I'm simply saying that I rather like its current abilities for my purposes.

Don't worry, you have more sense than most people when it comes to this topic.

Hamfast wrote: »

I would like to point out that the Frost Staff Taunt is gained from the first passive skill, Tri-Focus reads

Fully-charged Flame Staff Heavy Attacks deal 12% additional damage. Shock Staff Heavy Attacks damage nearby enemies for 100% of the damage done. Fully-charged Frost Staff Heavy Attacks taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds and grant a damage shield that absorbs 699 damage. While a Frost Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.

As long as you do not have the passive learned, frost staves can be used for DPS... they may not be all that good for it, but you can use them

We know

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

I would also like a frost mage, but please do not change the ice staff mechanics. I have multiple tanks that use the frost staff for the taunt, the shield, slows and immobs, and most importantly, mana regen since tanks all need mana.

The shield, taunt and magicka scaling all suck in implementation and prevent it from being a good dps or tanking weapon and it shouldn't have ever been given tanking passives anyway. It was designed to be for DPS and most people still want it to be for DPS.

It is actually a great tank weapon:

• Block passives
• Ability to block with magicka
• Can refill Magicka
• Is 2 handed and can make good use of Crusher glyph

The real problem of the staff is that all Destro staffs share the samme skill tree so they use slightly modifications of the same skill. Whats needed here is that they split up the Destro staffs into 3 trees so they can be truly unique and have their own skills. This however would likely create big complaints from magicka DDs.

What ppl have to realize is that Frost is a defensive element. The Frost tree of the warden is a Tank tree, not a DD tree. I understand that ppl have this frost DD idea, but the whole game focuses Frost in a defensive area.

ZOS has ruined Frost and keeps trying to ruin it even more every time they touch it. Worse is you can even see the amount of "love" they put it into it just by looking at the Frost staff particle effects.

Xebov wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

I would also like a frost mage, but please do not change the ice staff mechanics. I have multiple tanks that use the frost staff for the taunt, the shield, slows and immobs, and most importantly, mana regen since tanks all need mana.

The shield, taunt and magicka scaling all suck in implementation and prevent it from being a good dps or tanking weapon and it shouldn't have ever been given tanking passives anyway. It was designed to be for DPS and most people still want it to be for DPS.

It is actually a great tank weapon:

• Block passives
• Ability to block with magicka
• Can refill Magicka
• Is 2 handed and can make good use of Crusher glyph

The real problem of the staff is that all Destro staffs share the samme skill tree so they use slightly modifications of the same skill. Whats needed here is that they split up the Destro staffs into 3 trees so they can be truly unique and have their own skills. This however would likely create big complaints from magicka DDs.

What ppl have to realize is that Frost is a defensive element. The Frost tree of the warden is a Tank tree, not a DD tree. I understand that ppl have this frost DD idea, but the whole game focuses Frost in a defensive area.

Frost is not just a defensive element anymore. This isn't the morrowind patch. Have you seen any of the more recent frost changes?