Would a "class" frost mage be possible?

Khatou

In the class "suggestions" topics, frost mage was often mentioned, do you think this class would really be possible one day? What would you see for this one?


Not a day goes by without thinking about that, I really have a hard time with the caretaker for that : having to mix nature/animals with ice...

At the limit I can tolerate the netch, but if not the rest, I can't accept them in my build, for a frost mage orientation, it's a real pity that "brambles" are not used instead of ice, because, if you look carefully, the brambles could have the same kind of compatible characteristics as ice.

Berchelous

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

DarknessShallFall

Imagine if it wasn't just a frost mage, but you had water magic too. o3o I think that would be cool, to cover your enemies in water and then make it freeze. xD

Or sweep them away with water. I just think it would be cool, to have water magic, more frost (I don't really count wardens as frost mages), or even wind magic (I don't count sorcs very much for wind either).

mzprx

Berchelous wrote: »

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

we have been asking... what asking, begging for being able to use our frost staves as a viable DPS tool for how long? years? so don't get your hopes too high, mate, that is never going to happen..

AcadianPaladin

I'd be all for it if it could divest the warden of ice. Ice mage is cool. Nature druid/ranger/warden is cool. The two are silly when combined.

I'd like to see a warden with forest critters (bear, wolf, hawk) instead of neon netches, exploding shalks and cliff racers. I'd also like to see vines/brambles that look like they grow from the forest instead of neon cartoon mushrooms and ice.

And I'd be happy to see a mage focused on ice with plenty of magical CC ability.

Eifleber

I dont see a new class, there's already frost in Warden:

Warden: frost
DK: fire
Sorc: lightning

I'd rather have some extra tools to make a viable Frost Warden build.
Some frost +dps monster set would be a good start.

ESO_Nightingale

mzprx wrote: »

Berchelous wrote: »

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

we have been asking... what asking, begging for being able to use our frost staves as a viable DPS tool for how long? years? so don't get your hopes too high, mate, that is never going to happen..

Yep. I've been the leading advocate for this for 3 years. Apparently our power fantasy is oddly specific regional animals with a bad damage type.

Myyth

I would also like a frost mage, but please do not change the ice staff mechanics. I have multiple tanks that use the frost staff for the taunt, the shield, slows and immobs, and most importantly, mana regen since tanks all need mana.

swook33b16_ESO

Berchelous wrote: »

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

I agree that Warden class is the one if one wants to be a frost mage. also can self heal eventually. Which I have done with my nord warden. Was going to go duel wield axe berserker with ice magic but changed my mind and went full frost mage with ice staff.

ESO_Nightingale

Myyth wrote: »

I would also like a frost mage, but please do not change the ice staff mechanics. I have multiple tanks that use the frost staff for the taunt, the shield, slows and immobs, and most importantly, mana regen since tanks all need mana.

The shield, taunt and magicka scaling all suck in implementation and prevent it from being a good dps or tanking weapon and it shouldn't have ever been given tanking passives anyway. It was designed to be for DPS and most people still want it to be for DPS.

josiahva

Berchelous wrote: »

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

as a tank. NO THIS WOULDNT BE GOOD. we only have 2 tanking weapons....taking away 1 to give magicka DPS a 3rd would not be good...before the ice staff was a tanking weapon it saw ZERO DPS use....giving it to tanks INCREASED the use of this weapon.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

I would also like a frost mage, but please do not change the ice staff mechanics. I have multiple tanks that use the frost staff for the taunt, the shield, slows and immobs, and most importantly, mana regen since tanks all need mana.

The shield, taunt and magicka scaling all suck in implementation and prevent it from being a good dps or tanking weapon and it shouldn't have ever been given tanking passives anyway. It was designed to be for DPS and most people still want it to be for DPS.

They may not be perfect, but they are sure better than what we had before...which is NOTHING. As for it being a DPS weapon...as I said above...giving this to tanks has increaed use of frost staff, before it was a tanking weapon literally not one used it except maybe those RPing a frost mage....it had literally nothing to offer DPS.

swook33b16_ESO

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I'd be all for it if it could divest the warden of ice. Ice mage is cool. Nature druid/ranger/warden is cool. The two are silly when combined.

I'd like to see a warden with forest critters (bear, wolf, hawk) instead of neon netches, exploding shalks and cliff racers. I'd also like to see vines/brambles that look like they grow from the forest instead of neon cartoon mushrooms and ice.

And I'd be happy to see a mage focused on ice with plenty of magical CC ability.

I don't mind that the nature magic use netches, bugs, or cliff racer. But I would like to see other animal companions. Like instead of a bear (or more colors for bear like ice bear and black bear), we can choose wolf, deer, senche cats, dogs etc that have diffrent colors as well and have them Collection/special where the different color of the bear is so we can fast and easy change animal companion.

ESO_Nightingale

josiahva wrote: »

Berchelous wrote: »

Warden can be a frost mage if they add ice shard spammable or something like that. Also, if they improve frost staff and make it something else other than tanking tool it would be good.

as a tank. NO THIS WOULDNT BE GOOD. we only have 2 tanking weapons....taking away 1 to give magicka DPS a 3rd would not be good...before the ice staff was a tanking weapon it saw ZERO DPS use....giving it to tanks INCREASED the use of this weapon.

It saw 0 dps use because there wasn't a class to capitalize on it. Then warden came along the same update it got tanking "features"

Lunerdog

*Message to Devs*


Return 'Ice Staff' to being a dps weapon.

Create a new glyph set, "Glyph of Taunting"

*Said glyph can be aplied to any weapon and will taunt the enemy for xx seconds*


That way, any players weapon of choice can be used as a tanking tool... Or not


The solutions to these things are so simple that I wonder why the dev's don't think of them...

ESO_Nightingale

Lunerdog wrote: »

*Message to Devs*


Return 'Ice Staff' to being a dps weapon.

Create a new glyph set, "Glyph of Taunting"

*Said glyph can be aplied to any weapon and will taunt the enemy for xx seconds*


That way, any players weapon of choice can be used as a tanking tool... Or not


The solutions to these things are so simple that I wonder why the dev's don't think of them...

Unfortunately it isn't that simple, tanks wouldn't like losing a glyph just to be able to taunt.

SydneyGrey

People wanted wardens to be able to be frost mage DPS, and were sorely disappointed when ZOS decided the ice skills would focus on tanking only.
I'm still disappointed by that.

DarknessShallFall

Hm. What about an Elemental class? Like different elements. Fire, ice, water, electricity, earth, nature?

Khatou

DarknessShallFall wrote: »

Hm. What about an Elemental class? Like different elements. Fire, ice, water, electricity, earth, nature?

I thought about it too, but in the end we would probably have the "Ice" part limited to tanking and as there is DK for fire, it would be too much of a change to the classes, "classes" if we include the warden too, I think we should have a class like Frost, like the fire which is in DK (his opposite what).

Moreover, the Nordic has a resistance to the cold, but hardly exploitable in the end!

SydneyGrey wrote: »

People wanted wardens to be able to be frost mage DPS, and were sorely disappointed when ZOS decided the ice skills would focus on tanking only.
I'm still disappointed by that.

in this case, solution of change to that "brambles" instead of ice

alanmatillab16_ESO

Khatou wrote: »

In the class "suggestions" topics, frost mage was often mentioned, do you think this class would really be possible one day? What would you see for this one?


Not a day goes by without thinking about that, I really have a hard time with the caretaker for that : having to mix nature/animals with ice...

At the limit I can tolerate the netch, but if not the rest, I can't accept them in my build, for a frost mage orientation, it's a real pity that "brambles" are not used instead of ice, because, if you look carefully, the brambles could have the same kind of compatible characteristics as ice.

There are no "frost" mages or fire mages. There are different schools of magic in ES lore and those are: Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion, Necromancy, Destruction and Restoration. A mage that only uses one particular element such as frost is a Destruction Mage rather than a Frost Mage.

That said, ZOS threw class lore out of the window with their rigid class system so why not have ice mages. I can understand why they did it though, the meta gaming dps-meter whor---um--- "fiends" would soon work out the optimum build and it would be "follow this guide or never raid".

Tryxus

Khatou wrote: »

In the class "suggestions" topics, frost mage was often mentioned, do you think this class would really be possible one day? What would you see for this one?


Not a day goes by without thinking about that, I really have a hard time with the caretaker for that : having to mix nature/animals with ice...

At the limit I can tolerate the netch, but if not the rest, I can't accept them in my build, for a frost mage orientation, it's a real pity that "brambles" are not used instead of ice, because, if you look carefully, the brambles could have the same kind of compatible characteristics as ice.

Atm, Warden is still the best choice for a Cryomancer type of build thx to Winter's Embrace. A lot of the must-haves however don't exactly fit the theme, even the Netch which is an animal from areas with warmer climates.

In the end, the Warden is more of a Druid type class rather than a fully-fledged Frost Mage.

Perhaps the Battlemage (or the next mage-like class) could make this possible? Maybe it could have skill trees where the damage type changes depending on the weapon it wields, like how Destruction skills change depending on the type of staff.

Taunky

Maybe if the Ice Staff can be properly used as a DPS weapon.

josiahva

Lunerdog wrote: »

*Message to Devs*


Return 'Ice Staff' to being a dps weapon.

Create a new glyph set, "Glyph of Taunting"

*Said glyph can be aplied to any weapon and will taunt the enemy for xx seconds*


That way, any players weapon of choice can be used as a tanking tool... Or not


The solutions to these things are so simple that I wonder why the dev's don't think of them...

That is NOTHING like the Ice staff taunt.

1. You don't lose a glyph to taunt on the ice staff.
2. Taunting with the ice staff passive provides a damage shield(true, its marginal and mostly worthless, but its something to note)
3. Taunting with a glyph-enhanced bow for instance wont restore magicka.
4. Blocking with a glyph-enhanced weapon of any sort will not use magicka are the blocking resource.
5. You dont get resistance passive from a taunt-glyph

So yeah...I'll keep the ice-staff, thanks. I am not opposed to DPS having their precious ice-staff back(though I suspect it would see exactly as much use as before in reality) if tanks first get a weapon to replace it that retains all of its current usefulness.

Lunerdog

josiahva wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

*Message to Devs*


Return 'Ice Staff' to being a dps weapon.

Create a new glyph set, "Glyph of Taunting"

*Said glyph can be aplied to any weapon and will taunt the enemy for xx seconds*


That way, any players weapon of choice can be used as a tanking tool... Or not


The solutions to these things are so simple that I wonder why the dev's don't think of them...

That is NOTHING like the Ice staff taunt.

1. You don't lose a glyph to taunt on the ice staff.
2. Taunting with the ice staff passive provides a damage shield(true, its marginal and mostly worthless, but its something to note)
3. Taunting with a glyph-enhanced bow for instance wont restore magicka.
4. Blocking with a glyph-enhanced weapon of any sort will not use magicka are the blocking resource.
5. You dont get resistance passive from a taunt-glyph

So yeah...I'll keep the ice-staff, thanks. I am not opposed to DPS having their precious ice-staff back(though I suspect it would see exactly as much use as before in reality) if tanks first get a weapon to replace it that retains all of its current usefulness.

Good points, so here we go...


Fiery Glyph of Magicka Taunting
Icy Glyph of Magicka Taunting
Shocking Glyph of Magicka Taunting

The above Glyphs do fire/frost/shock damage and make blocking use Magicka, grant a damage shield and fully charged heavy attacks restore Magicka.



Fiery Glyph of Stamina Taunting
Icy Glyph of Stamina Taunting
Shocking Glyph of Stamina Taunting

The above Glyphs do fire/frost/shock damage and make blocking use Stamina, grant a damage shield and fully charged heavy attacks restore Stamina.


Nothing is set in stone, if the properties can be applied to a passive they can be applied to a glyph.

This way, a weapon type (Ice Staff) wouldn't need to be taken away from those who want to use it and tanks would have more tools at their disposal.

Or they could simply add a Staff of Taunting that uses Magicka when blocking, then Ice Staff could be restored to its original intent.

VocalThought

It's possible now. Just avoid getting Destruction Staff's Tri-Focus & Ancient Knowledge passives and use Warden and only use Winter Embrace Skills, avoid tank morphs. There's at least 4 Warden and 4 Ice Staff skills I would use, and maybe add the Light Armor Skill and/or Mage Skill to complete my load out.

ESO_Nightingale

VocalThought wrote: »

It's possible now. Just avoid getting Destruction Staff's Tri-Focus & Ancient Knowledge passives and use Warden and only use Winter Embrace Skills, avoid tank morphs. There's at least 4 Warden and 4 Ice Staff skills I would use, and maybe add the Light Armor Skill and/or Mage Skill to complete my load out.

it's not viable in pvp or semi competitive pve though.

E-Zekiel

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VocalThought wrote: »

It's possible now. Just avoid getting Destruction Staff's Tri-Focus & Ancient Knowledge passives and use Warden and only use Winter Embrace Skills, avoid tank morphs. There's at least 4 Warden and 4 Ice Staff skills I would use, and maybe add the Light Armor Skill and/or Mage Skill to complete my load out.

it's not viable in pvp or semi competitive pve though.

If you have a specific character framework you're going for (such as ice mage), everything isn't going to be viable. That's just part of the territory and kinda goes without saying.

To an extent, you can say the same of a fire-exclusive mage - depending on how mage-y you think it is to have melee attacks.

Anyway, that said, basically VocalThought is correct, and be sure to avoid tank-based morphs (as well as the aforementioned passive) if you don't want tanky stuff.

ESO_Nightingale

E-Zekiel wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VocalThought wrote: »

It's possible now. Just avoid getting Destruction Staff's Tri-Focus & Ancient Knowledge passives and use Warden and only use Winter Embrace Skills, avoid tank morphs. There's at least 4 Warden and 4 Ice Staff skills I would use, and maybe add the Light Armor Skill and/or Mage Skill to complete my load out.

it's not viable in pvp or semi competitive pve though.

If you have a specific character framework you're going for (such as ice mage), everything isn't going to be viable. That's just part of the territory and kinda goes without saying.

To an extent, you can say the same of a fire-exclusive mage - depending on how mage-y you think it is to have melee attacks.

Anyway, that said, basically VocalThought is correct, and be sure to avoid tank-based morphs (as well as the aforementioned passive) if you don't want tanky stuff.

dk makes a fantastic fire mage, similar with sorc and being a shock mage, magicka warden does not make a fine frost mage, they probably would be if our animal companions skills dealt frost damage and if the ice staff was a good weapon, there is simply too much of a loss in DPS if you want a strict theme.

MorganaBlue

we have been asking... what asking, begging for being able to use our frost staves as a viable DPS tool for how long? years? so don't get your hopes too high, mate, that is never going to happen..

When I started playing ESO, the frost staff was a damage weapon and not a utility weapon for tanks.

The Trifocus passive DID NOT have a taunt attached to the staff - it was reworked in 2017.

Below is what the Trifocus passive used to look like. Someone decided magicka dps only needed two of their three weapn options and left us <monkaS>

fastolfv_ESO

they really should have done this with the sorc, a lightning line a fire line and an ice line. At this point they change pets so much i think alot more sorcs would be excited about the idea, i would love to have a lightning sorc

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Give animal companoin icy effect and change them to ice damage(exemple polar bear)

Change frost staff to be dps again, it could be more crit or mor crit damage as a ice ball to the head thend to do critical dammage to your skull

Create illusion staff(agrro/fear/stun/snare/etc)
Create alteration staff(buff/debuff)

Frost staff tanking passive would be moved to these 2 line, Some even could be be built in, not needing passive like magica blocking

dsalter

i complained about not being able to use frost staffs waaaay back before warden was added.
i said give them shields that use magicka on block (this was sort of added) and add a taunt to ice destro clench morph this one was not added and instead they did it in a horrific way.
they added the taunt to bloody heavy attacking the WORST way to add a taunt in this game.
its slow, clunky and actually discourages regenerating magicka via heavy attacking in PvE as a frost staff user because it will taunt.
they never remedied this and so the staff became mostly useless.

all they need to do is move the taunt to icy clench, make the damage shield 200% bigger from a heavy attack and last 3 seconds longer and make it so the bonus from using an ice staff from destruction mastery reduced your damage intake by 9/18% allowing the frost tanks to tank better and giving ice staff DPS a more tanky feeling over damage.

now if they also made it so vampire stages buff your frost damage delt and frost resistance by 5/10/20/35% it would actually make a frost focused vampire a viable way to play because lore wise vampires ARE heavily resistant to frost and tend to come with a full load out of ice spells if they are mages.