i'm glad this happened. before everyone was a vampire because of only the passives. now it's not.
people who choose to be a vampire do it for other reasons now.

wouldnt be so bad if the drain spell was the ranged equivalent of the close range spam though slightly weaker due to heal atm the drain spell is so abysmally bad it actively handicaps you for using it.
then theres the fact the ability cost for non-vampire abilities goes up the higher your stages, fine but ultimate abilities to!? nah not worth it at that point, the vampire scion CAN be useful but in most cases you are more likely to slot something more related to your class.
Swarming Scion is the clear better version of the ultimate as well because huge AoE+heals where as the other morph only disables drawbacks for 15 seconds... yay? it should REVERSE the downsides during it not negate them so a perfected scion (stage 5) has increased fire resistance, less ability cost and 100% bonus health regen with the stage 4 less vampire skill cost on top of it. would make this ultimate inline with swarming because it would be useful to both tanks and healers due to the magicka, stamina and health refill + temporary cost reduction & health regen

Cured all but one. Anybody surprised?

ZOS never uses a chisel.

Blood for blood needed to be looked at because literally every magic class was using it for their spammable which isnt healthy imo.

However it was one of the only useable abilities in the kit, they couldive just reduced the damage so it wouldive been the sustain option over your class spammable but pulling less dps.

Many of us paid real money for some of our Vamps and as presented, it has been gutted and is not USEFUL.

The entire arbitrary Stages 1 to 4 are a ridiculous mechanic that's a huge part of the problem as the cost increases extremely heavy handed to the point of I QUIT being a Vamp on all but 1...which is rarely used.

Basically if this was a Vamp class game, Zos would have killed their game like Sony did with Star Wars Galaxies after their NGE Combat rebalance.

Integral1900 wrote: »

If we are being entirely honest pretty much all of those vampires were just people looking for a free buff. There is pretty much zero chance that they ever used any of the skills.

So I don’t really have a problem, in terms of people who actually want to play as a blood sucking vampire it’s probably created a few.

I couldn't agree with you more. We may have lost a lot of the Vampires who were in it for the passives, and the look. But we gained a lot of Vampires who really want to play the skill line. And I heard several people in several zones asking for Vampire bites last night.

I figure this is similar to what happened with Thrassian's as well - something was OP and nerfed, but it was nerfed with a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

Before Greymoor, vampirism was basically required for endgame, especially for support roles, because of the free recovery passives. Very few people actually ran the game as vampires, they instead went around with stage 4 so they could get the magicka regen for free.

"The new way breaks the lore!" Yeah, but you're implying that 90+% of endgame characters who are vampires and intentionally starving themselves is lore-friendly? The whole point of vampires in TES lore is that they're 1)rare, and 2) feed often to try to fit in, unless they're evil mindless beasts (aka not members of the Undaunted)

The new way basically requires you to act like a vampire to play as a vampire - feed on NPCs and use vamp abilities, but now it swung a bit too far in the other (also against lore) direction. Now, vampirism is pretty much an RP-only thing - not that that's bad, but there is a lot less choice in building a vampire character as anything other than "I vant to suck your blood!" Even in Morrowind, we had the three lines - mag based, stealth based, and power based - and here there's really just magblade vampires as the only truly viable option.

But honestly, it's not a biggie for me. Werewolves are cooler anyway.

craybest wrote: »

i'm glad this happened. before everyone was a vampire because of only the passives. now it's not.
people who choose to be a vampire do it for other reasons now.

You'd be correct if it wasn't for one insy, weensy, tiny little glaring issue;

They had free passives because they were punished for feeding. They would lose their passives as they fed. If you were at Stage 1, you literally were only added access to Savage Feeding and Blood Ritual as passives. So blaming the players for staying Stage 4 in that iteration of vampirism isn't their fault for a line that was forcing them to stay Stage 4 anyways if they wanted to even slightly engage with the line (because using your vampire abilities upped your stage).

But of course, it's the players' fault for wanting a much more thought out, engaging skill line than the former and current iteration of what ever this is.

Keep in mind FOTM change often, vamp is still damn good just not mandatory like it was. As for the skill line its self, it's about the same as WW. Though unlike WW you can weave vamp skills and passives in to a build where WW only get them while transformed