I've been noticing a lot of new and older ESO streamers dialing back ESO streams.

Elsonso · August 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

most people watch streamers for their personalities, and not the game itself.

I tend to find streamers because they are streaming games I want to see, and I return to those streamers, follow them, or subscribe because I like what I see in the streamer. If they are streaming a game I am not interested in, I watch someone else. If they change games and stop streaming a game that I am interested in, we amicably part ways.

volkeswagon · August 2020

it's because "everyone's a ******* expert. Must be nice"

ItsJustHashtag · August 2020

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

We've also had an influx of newer streamers, including one notable one who always has 5-10k viewers. Hopefully they'll start streaming endgame/PvP stuff

It sounds like the streamers people are saying have stopped streaming are PvP streamers, which would honestly be a mixed blessing. Most popular PvP streamers I've seen are really negative, salty, and varying levels of toxic. And they have been well before Greymoor/Elsweyr. Some regime change would be welcome IMO

ESO pvp streamers have every right to be negative and salty regarding the game.

The salt and negativity is towards other players, not just the state of the game. Teabagging, aggressive language, complaining about how other people play, being sore losers, talking down to people. It's not every streamer and definitely not all the time, but is common in the more popular PvP streams I've dropped in on. I like to watch someone who actively and enthusiastically enjoys the game, even if they have serious critiques of it.

There's a difference between offering good, constructive critique and just reiterating the same disappointments and dev insults over and over again.

I don't know those PvP streamers you mentioned who you say are good, but if they have a better attitude, hopefully they'll become more popular! Thanks for your response, good points.

Yeah I can agree with what you say about their attitudes. But their attitudes are also countered by players who have more ability than they do. It’s always fun to watch one of those types get ego checked.

Cadbury · August 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqyiJtbCoUE

At least we get thrown a bone from mainstream 'tubers every once in awhile

scorpius2k1 · August 2020

colossalvoids wrote: »

New wave of streamers are super beginner friendly and a pain to watch overall. Older ones are fed up with blind and deaf company so here we are.

^^ This.

Finedaible · August 2020

Most streamers are probably tired of the confusing changes being made to the game's direction and the efficiency with which said decisions get implemented. I get the impression that some streamers only play now because it's what their viewers want to see, but they seem hungry for a better game, and frankly so am I. Most changes on the PTS aren't exactly filling players with enthusiasm either so it's not much to look forward to. Dungeons are cool and all but they are just gonna destroy any of the cool stuff within a month or two after release anyway so why bother.

[Edit to remove bashing]

ShawnLaRock · August 2020

There are some really troubling things happening behind the scenes that are not fully explained. The Loreseekers just posted that they will not be streaming ESO anymore, and their entire premise is built upon the Elder Scrolls franchise & lore. Hmm...

S.

thegreat_one · August 2020

No one wants to watch broken ass gameplay or stupidly unbalanced due to the amount of "pay-to-win" content this game has.

Synnastix · August 2020

If their goal is to monetize, and let’s be honest everyone wants to get paid to play a game, they are probs going to go with whatever gets the most views. Check the numbers for a couple games, oh i don’t know lets say:

A multi-platform pvp game
Some game about stealing cars
ESO

The number of streamers changes by huge margins when you move up or down that list.

If my lifestyle depends on ad revenue, guess which I’ll be doing?

TineaCruris · August 2020

thegreat_one wrote: »

No one wants to watch broken ass gameplay or stupidly unbalanced due to the amount of "pay-to-win" content this game has.

I don't see any aspect of ESO that is "pay to win" other than necro and warden are natively stronger than other classes and a bit easier to get better stats out of.

The problem for streamers that I know of is game performance and company ethics surrounding performance.

karekiz · August 2020

Games dying. Th3asiangod is bailing out. Others are finding roots into other games before it explodes.

Come on ZOS release a classic server with it going all the way back. EZ content.

BlueRaven · August 2020

I just checked twitch. I think right now a person streaming oblivion has way more viewers then some people streaming ESO. Although there are far more ESO streamers.

So make of that what you will.

Malthorne · August 2020

Right now GW2 has 500 more viewers and ffxiv has over 4.5k more viewers than eso.

technohic · August 2020

I see a few people stream that I like to watch and see what they do, but the ones that have big followings and have streaming as a job I think have to watch their numbers. If less people are interested in the game, and start watching less ESO; probably a good idea to diversify to other games and try to take their subscribers with them rather than let their viewers drop over time.

Although; I might be a bit opposite. I have watched more Fengrush, Kristopher, Thogard, Mursie, etc this year since performance dropped because I know they are good and its literally more fun to watch others deal with it rather than deal with it myself sometimes.

SilverBride · August 2020

I've never understood why anyone would want to watch some stranger play a game online. I know this is a real thing that people do, but I just don't get it.

Syrusthevirus187 · August 2020

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never understood why anyone would want to watch some stranger play a game online. I know this is a real thing that people do, but I just don't get it.

Do you watch strangers play sports?

SilverBride · August 2020

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never understood why anyone would want to watch some stranger play a game online. I know this is a real thing that people do, but I just don't get it.

Do you watch strangers play sports?

I'm really not into sports. I go to a baseball game maybe once a year because I love the excitement of the crowd, and I can get into the game in a live setting. Although not this year, for obvious reasons. And I never watch sports on TV.

But regardless of whether I am an avid sports fan or not, there is a HUGE difference between a sports match and someone playing a video game online. When I watch a baseball game I can tell what's going on. I see the batter come up to the plate. I see the pitcher throw the ball. I see the batter hit the ball and run. You get the idea.

When I see someone playing a video game online I have no idea what's going on. I can't tell what spell they are casting, what skill they are using, when they are healing, etc. It's just a jumbled mess of lights and noise that means nothing to me.

So, yea, I don't get what anyone gets out of that.

StabbityDoom · August 2020

I still stream daily at 11 am EST - always ESO content - usually housing.

I used to feel that I wouldn't watch someone play a game. But then I started watching @jhartellis and other housing streamers, and found I could see a ton of houses and ideas I otherwise wouldn't see. Some people, like @swankery go into the how-tos of it as well. I personally try to also. I don't do PVP but I could see people watching that to learn things, same with watching streams about gear builds, etc.

But there's also another breed of streamers who I must admit are simply charismatic and fun. It doesn't matter whether they are doing ESO or playing music live (i.e. @discosleaze) - they are always just interesting to watch. The best streamers tend to be those that once you become part of their community you log in and they say hello, ask you how you are, and really interact with you. So do the others in the channel. It becomes a group of friends and not just a streamer and viewers. That's how I feel about my viewers. I care about them and enjoy seeing them and what they are up to.

EmEm_Oh · August 2020

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Only content worth streaming is Cyrodiil and it gets less than one percent of development attention.

Nailed it.

Streamers can good for pve content, however. Showing players how to usr skills and choose sets vs just talking while farming mats.

Hotdog_23 · August 2020

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

Spend it on performance and better code instead. If the game is great people will come.

Be safe and have fun

thegreat_one · August 2020

Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never understood why anyone would want to watch some stranger play a game online. I know this is a real thing that people do, but I just don't get it.

Do you watch strangers play sports?

Those strangers arn't doing it for Views likes or comments , they do it for championships and prize money.

If i'm watching someone do something I could be doing myself for simple fun, I'd rather be playing than watching.

Although watching Uber leet groups get rekt by poor instances and bad desyncs is kinda funny.

karekiz · August 2020

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

Spend it on performance and better code instead. If the game is great people will come.

Be safe and have fun

He would probably pass on it anyway since he would probably make less money streaming ESO than WoW....

Elsonso · August 2020

Malthorne wrote: »

Right now GW2 has 500 more viewers and ffxiv has over 4.5k more viewers than eso.

I just want to point out that ESO has never had a super large streaming audience. Personally, I think it is because ESO is not really a serious PVP game, and that is what a lot of people stream and want to watch. Sort of an "eSport" thing. ESO is not that, although it does have some PVP streamers. I am not sure how many because I don't watch them.

I do watch several PVE streamers. Xynode does dungeons and trials. He's very good at it and people can learn a lot about that by watching his streams. Matygon does whatever he feels like doing in the game that day and has a strong following of people who like his way of streaming.

People are streaming a lot of different things with this game, like housing, which was mentioned above by StabbityDoom.

BlueRaven wrote: »

I just checked twitch. I think right now a person streaming oblivion has way more viewers then some people streaming ESO.

Lately, SinNapsGaming has been streaming TES 4 Oblivion. He got on my radar for playing ESO, but lately I have been lurking while he plays Oblivion. Oblivion is a fun game, and one where I have quite a few hundred hours in. As a TES RPG game, it is much better than TES 5 Skyrim. I hope people are watching him play it.

Malthorne · August 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

Malthorne wrote: »

Right now GW2 has 500 more viewers and ffxiv has over 4.5k more viewers than eso.

I just want to point out that ESO has never had a super large streaming audience. Personally, I think it is because ESO is not really a serious PVP game, and that is what a lot of people stream and want to watch. Sort of an "eSport" thing. ESO is not that, although it does have some PVP streamers. I am not sure how many because I don't watch them.

I do watch several PVE streamers. Xynode does dungeons and trials. He's very good at it and people can learn a lot about that by watching his streams. Matygon does whatever he feels like doing in the game that day and has a strong following of people who like his way of streaming.

People are streaming a lot of different things with this game, like housing, which was mentioned above by StabbityDoom.

For sure, I agree about eso pvp and good pvp will almost certainly garner more interest from audiences on those platforms.

With that being said, FFXIV is crushing it(for an mmo) and the their pvp is waaaaaay worse than eso. I just checked and I don’t even see any pvp streams on the ffxiv channel.

Skyrim, obviously pve only, currently has more viewers than eso.

I’m not trying to say twitch numbers are any indication of any games health, especially this one.. but we can’t deny that ZOS has placed an extra emphasis on getting eyeballs to twitch with the drops and the stream team program. It’s interesting that eso is not generating as much interest this week. Especially with the new quarterly update that has dropped.

Elsonso · August 2020

Malthorne wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Malthorne wrote: »

Right now GW2 has 500 more viewers and ffxiv has over 4.5k more viewers than eso.

I just want to point out that ESO has never had a super large streaming audience. Personally, I think it is because ESO is not really a serious PVP game, and that is what a lot of people stream and want to watch. Sort of an "eSport" thing. ESO is not that, although it does have some PVP streamers. I am not sure how many because I don't watch them.

I do watch several PVE streamers. Xynode does dungeons and trials. He's very good at it and people can learn a lot about that by watching his streams. Matygon does whatever he feels like doing in the game that day and has a strong following of people who like his way of streaming.

People are streaming a lot of different things with this game, like housing, which was mentioned above by StabbityDoom.

For sure, I agree about eso pvp and good pvp will almost certainly garner more interest from audiences on those platforms.

With that being said, FFXIV is crushing it(for an mmo) and the their pvp is waaaaaay worse than eso. I just checked and I don’t even see any pvp streams on the ffxiv channel.

Skyrim, obviously pve only, currently has more viewers than eso.

I’m not trying to say twitch numbers are any indication of any games health, especially this one.. but we can’t deny that ZOS has placed an extra emphasis on getting eyeballs to twitch with the drops and the stream team program. It’s interesting that eso is not generating as much interest this week. Especially with the new quarterly update that has dropped.

Well, part of ZOS and Bethesda run around trying to get people to play the game and watch streams. Another part of ZOS is busy coming up with new ways to drive players away. Not intentionally, mind you. (Edit: they have always driven players away, but they had more, on balance, to attract than to turn away)

Scion_of_Yggdrasil · August 2020

I don't really watch any streamers, but even social media accounts are beginning to step away. One of my favorite lore discussing twitters is moving onto different things now.

Pauwer · August 2020

I have never watched a stream in my life and i don't think i would ever want to. BUT i have much younger little sisters and they used to sit next to me and watch me play HOMM3 or Diablo or such games all the time. They were totally captivated. Maybe i should stream

kids would love it.

Galwylin · August 2020

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

Asmondgold is the last thing ZOS wants streaming their game lol.

Some months back, if I'm not mistaken, when Asmondgold got mad at Blizzard, I believe he did give ESO a try with other games. But we all know he'd be back. He always comes back. Getting mad at WOW is like his thing.

I don't watch streamers. They are this buzz in your ear about what games I should be playing I hear. But its always sounded like people just are there for the streamer and not the game. The popularity of game is just what's exciting streamers at that time so you can't put much stock into them abandoning one game over the other. And that could be because of the problems in performance to Greymoor being rather lackluster overall. The amount Skyrim was flooded into the market over the years probably told us that ESO doing their version wasn't going to hit the way something like Morrowind did which hasn't been around for ages. It was going to really have to be spectacular and it just wasn't. So interest moves elsewhere.